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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:12 am

    macedonian wrote:Not to step in quote-conspiracies-quote - but anyone reckons that they actually wanted this to happen?!
    Can't find another logical explanation for it. I don't buy them being not very professional.

    That's true; that has been the only logical explanation.


    One other thing, the term "conspiracy theory" and the current usage of the term "conspiracy" are part of the newspeak. Actually a parsing of the term "conspiracy theory" clearly shows how embarrassingly illogical it is and how blatantly it is directed at the prole.

    Also to defensively qualify one's views by adding "Not to step in conspiracies" is not necessary, as one should not care what some prole would think of one's views.
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    Post  macedonian Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:15 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    macedonian wrote:Not to step in quote-conspiracies-quote - but anyone reckons that they actually wanted this to happen?!
    Can't find another logical explanation for it. I don't buy them being not very professional.

    That's true; that has been the only logical explanation.


    One other thing, the term "conspiracy theory" and the current usage of the term "conspiracy" are part of the newspeak. Actually a parsing of the term "conspiracy theory" clearly shows how embarrassingly illogical it is and how blatantly it is directed at the prole.

    Also to defensively qualify one's views by adding "Not to step in conspiracies" is not necessary, as one should not care what some prole would think of one's views.

    Hence the quote-insert theory-quote on my part.
    In other words, I agree with what you wrote, these days if you don't like an opinion that derives from logical conclusion - you shout "conspiracy" and everyone treats said opinion like it bears leprosy.
    I think there's proof that the term "Conspiracy Theory" is a CIA construct.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:29 am

    macedonian wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    macedonian wrote:Not to step in quote-conspiracies-quote - but anyone reckons that they actually wanted this to happen?!
    Can't find another logical explanation for it. I don't buy them being not very professional.

    That's true; that has been the only logical explanation.


    One other thing, the term "conspiracy theory" and the current usage of the term "conspiracy" are part of the newspeak. Actually a parsing of the term "conspiracy theory" clearly shows how embarrassingly illogical it is and how blatantly it is directed at the prole.

    Also to defensively qualify one's views by adding "Not to step in conspiracies" is not necessary, as one should not care what some prole would think of one's views.

    Hence the quote-insert theory-quote on my part.
    In other words, I agree with what you wrote, these days if you don't like an opinion that derives from logical conclusion - you shout "conspiracy" and everyone treats said opinion like it bears leprosy.
    I think there's proof that the term "Conspiracy Theory" is a CIA construct.

    I fully agree.
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:16 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:No doubt about their support for the Chechen independence cause, mostly via intermediaries like the Saudi and Georgian intelligence services. One of the main supply lines for the rebels was through Georgian territory and they used Georgian banks to funnel money to them

    ____________

    Regarding the Kornets in the hands of NAF discussion...

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    Looks like Kiev is having yet another go at trying to convince the world the Russian Army is running roughshod over the UAF on the Donbass by presenting pieces and bits of Kornet laser-guided ATGMs, allegedly fired at the Aidar Battalion.

    However, as andrei-bt (who, incidentally, is a Ukrainian blogger) points out, placing an engine part of a 9M113 Fagot wire-guided ATGM (on the left of the top photo) next to an unexploded warhead from a 9M133 Kornet missile suggests that maybe they should try harder.

    Besides, considering that the Kornet is a widely exported and used weapon (users include Syria, Iraq, Hezbollah, and some have been captured by Syrian "moderate rebels"), it would not take much effort for a "friendly" Western intelligence service to provide Kiev with a few chunks of the missile. But it would have been more professional to actually supply enough pieces to make it more convincing!

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:36 pm

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150427/1021425208.html

    Expect more idiotic nonsense from Finnish news and news like Moscow times.

    Sad really, for a nation that borders Russia. Screw Finland.
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:40 pm

    sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150427/1021425208.html

    Expect more idiotic nonsense from Finnish news and news like Moscow times.

    Sad really, for a nation that borders Russia. Screw Finland.

    All scandinavian countries are already whores of the US, they are defacto already in NATO their entire government shouts only Pro-NATO and Anti-russian garbage, that they are officially not in NATO is just a formalty nothing more.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:50 pm

    http://tass.ru/en/world/791964

    Ukraine pushing for Crimean integration with Russia through Hague. So the Kangaroo court will try to make a decision that wont go anywhere at all.
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    Post  auslander Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:30 pm


    If the rubber stamp hague court wants us to go back to Ukraine, tell them to come and make us.
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    Post  max steel Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:36 pm

    Crimea is long gone . F*CK THE EU . SOMEONE SAID THAT REMEMBER ? Cool
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    Post  auslander Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:08 pm

    max steel wrote:Crimea is long gone . F*CK THE EU . SOMEONE SAID THAT REMEMBER ? Cool

    You've got that right. Twenty some years of those people was more than enough and I enjoyed them for over a decade. The only way they can get Krimu back is spend the resources to do so and they don't have and never had the resources. If USATO was to step in they may or may not win but they will certainly make King Pyrrhus proud and they can rest assured there will be nothing to go home to. An attack on Krimu and Sevastopol is an attack in RF and will be treated as such. Do so at your own peril.
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    Post  max steel Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:17 pm

    Balkan Mess rising again ?

    Russia Deeply Concerned With KLA Armed Attack In Macedonia





    Russia as expressed deep concern about the recent armed attack on the military outpost Gosince in northern Macedonia, while warning that the incident shows there are still deep inter-ethnic differences in the Balkan region, as well as the potential for the new ethnic conflict. While noting that the attack took place at the “Kosovo section of the border between Serbia and Macedonia”, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs specifies that the lack of law and safety in Kosmet is a direct result of the unsolved Kosovo issue, thus having negative consequences for the whole Balkans.


    http://inserbia.info/today/2015/04/russia-deeply-concerned-with-kla-armed-attack-in-macedonia/
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    Post  max steel Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:21 pm

    Ukrainian Forces Open Fire on Humanitarian Aid Convoy attack attack



    The Ukrainian Armed Forces have opened fire on a Russian humanitarian convoy.According to Gleb Kornilov, head of the Relief Fund and the New Russia Donbass, Ukrainian soldiers opened fire on a convoy carrying humanitarian aid to Donbas, killing one person. All the people from the humanitarian convoy were taken prisoner, one of them was injured in the shooting.


    http://en.hunternews.ru/?p=1073
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    Post  macedonian Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:28 pm

    max steel wrote:   Balkan Mess rising again ?

    Russia Deeply Concerned With KLA Armed Attack In Macedonia


           



    Russia as expressed deep concern about the recent armed attack on the military outpost Gosince in northern Macedonia, while warning that the incident shows there are still deep inter-ethnic differences in the Balkan region, as well as the potential for the new ethnic conflict. While noting that the attack took place at the “Kosovo section of the border between Serbia and Macedonia”, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs specifies that the lack of law and safety in Kosmet is a direct result of the unsolved Kosovo issue, thus having negative consequences for the whole Balkans.


    http://inserbia.info/today/2015/04/russia-deeply-concerned-with-kla-armed-attack-in-macedonia/

    As far as I can tell, this is fake.
    Never can be sure about those things though.
    The inter-ethnic and inter-religious part is true though, and it will only escalate after those who are now fighting in Syria come back.
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    Post  auslander Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:29 pm

    That was a couple days ago. The relief column was apparently a private effort that took a wrong turn and ended up in uke territory. One report says they were armed, another says not, bot Novorossiya sources.
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    Post  max steel Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:36 pm

    Ukies have lied throughout this mess . Can't trust their sources especially its media etc. humanitarian relief was carrying necessary supplies only .
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    Post  max steel Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:38 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    As far as I can tell, this is fake.
    Never can be sure about those things though.
    The inter-ethnic and inter-religious part is true though, and it will only escalate after those who are now fighting in Syria come back.


    Is it an unreliable source ?
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    Post  auslander Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:42 pm

    max steel wrote:Ukies have lied throughout this mess . Can't trust their sources especially its media etc. humanitarian relief was carrying necessary supplies only .

    We don't rely on media sources from either side. We commo daily real time with sources in Novorossiya and other sources.
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:46 pm

    That Dforce on mp net has his head so deep up NATO propaganda that he actually believes his own lies... quoting Vice News and UA news and he actually believes this shit....

    We really do need a Facepalm emoticon.
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    Post  max steel Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:54 pm

    werewolf i'm impressed with your signature . can you share the video of that scene ?
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    Post  Monarchist Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:55 pm

    Lavrov's continued talks about a united Ukraine and how Russia will do anything to keep Ukraine united disgusts me more and more. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  max steel Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:01 pm

    "The Russian position has been to allow events to play themselves out - they don't need to actually DO very much under the circumstances" - The most succinct summary of Russian policy towards the Ukraine I have seen.
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    Post  Erk Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:14 pm

    Monarchist wrote:Lavrov's continued talks about a united Ukraine and how Russia will do anything to keep Ukraine united disgusts me more and more. Rolling Eyes


    He wants Ukraine to introduce federation rather than the crappy unitary state it has now. Federation allows for regional differences. However after being shelled by Kiev, I don't think Donbass wants to be part of Ukraine anymore.
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:21 pm

    max steel wrote:werewolf i'm impressed with your signature . can you share the video of that scene ?

    Thanks.

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    Lavrov's continued talks about a united Ukraine and how Russia will do anything to keep Ukraine united disgusts me more and more. Rolling Eyes

    Russia should work secretive to seize all of eastern ukraine since it is russian soil anyway and i really hope they are aiming exactly for that and not for actual federalization.
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:34 pm

    Werewolf wrote:That Dforce on mp net has his head so deep up NATO propaganda that he actually believes his own lies... quoting Vice News and UA news and he actually believes this shit....

    We really do need a Facepalm emoticon.
    Yeah his posts have been very entertaining, certainly needs a The Situation in the Ukraine. #12 - Page 25 E3af19273fc6
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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:56 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:That Dforce on mp net has his head so deep up NATO propaganda that he actually believes his own lies... quoting Vice News and UA news and he actually believes this shit....

    We really do need a Facepalm emoticon.
    Yeah his posts have been very entertaining, certainly needs a The Situation in the Ukraine. #12 - Page 25 E3af19273fc6

    im seriously glad this forum did not have to deal with idiots like that often, to have an different point of view is not necessarily wrong. but to throw common sense out the window and wear a blindfold to other information source's is inexcusable. especially by keyboard-generals that pretend to be experts on millitary hotspots and get people all riled up for no reason.



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