The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

Austin wrote:Stephen F. Cohen ,The West vs Russia, Munk Debates,Should the West engage or isolate Russia

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pJlU62Ek4Q
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX-HBJ9MhBE
Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFQvXO5rteU
Part 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUrwoYYusdc
Part 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgLynGEvQh8
Part 6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA7kb-wS0Z8
Part 7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqGvjrhzcL8

Khepesh wrote:Dadzi - Dmitry Dzygovbrodsky, has written about Poland likely to supply up to 300 PT-91, Polish version of T-72M1 to Kiev. But even PT-91 will be better than any T-64. He says 179 tanks to be supplied initially by 1 June in batches of 15-20
Cannot post links yet, so easiest way is, for those who are not friends or do not follow him on VK is to enter dadzi in the search and he links to the blog article on his wall.

France, Germany May Try to Block Joint Statement at Ukraine-EU Summit

Sputnik wrote:France and Germany are now trying to amend the wording of the statement the way its content would be completely neutralized, a European diplomat said in a comment to Ukraine’s UNIAN news agency in Brussels on Saturday.

An emergency meeting of the Committee of the Permanent Representatives of the Governments of the Member States to the European Union (COREPER) was called for Sunday, April 26, the diplomat said.

"COREPER will gather on Sunday evening and will try to find a compromise. Now your [Ukrainian] diplomats are making every effort to save the situation," he added.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Dadzi - Dmitry Dzygovbrodsky, has written about Poland likely to supply up to 300 PT-91, Polish version of T-72M1 to Kiev. But even PT-91 will be better than any T-64. He says 179 tanks to be supplied initially by 1 June in batches of 15-20
Cannot post links yet, so easiest way is, for those who are not friends or do not follow him on VK is to enter dadzi in the search and he links to the blog article on his wall.

Who is going to pay for them and what will be the source?

I don't think that the PT-91 has been produced for at least several years and Poland has less than 300 exemplars of this tank.

I think it might have to do with a small annoying rule that won't let us post links because we've registered since less than 7 days.

Khepesh wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Dadzi - Dmitry Dzygovbrodsky, has written about Poland likely to supply up to 300 PT-91, Polish version of T-72M1 to Kiev. But even PT-91 will be better than any T-64. He says 179 tanks to be supplied initially by 1 June in batches of 15-20
Cannot post links yet, so easiest way is, for those who are not friends or do not follow him on VK is to enter dadzi in the search and he links to the blog article on his wall.

Who is going to pay for them and what will be the source?

I don't think that the PT-91 has been produced for at least several years and Poland has less than 300 exemplars of this tank.

My error, not the PT-91 but from the 600+ T-72 in storage. Paid for by some tricks involving EU credits. Tanks are coming from storage depot at Wieliczka and then transported intitially to Belaya Tserkov in Ukraine. Polish instructors are alleged to be at Borisov.

Erk wrote:

Khepesh wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Dadzi - Dmitry Dzygovbrodsky, has written about Poland likely to supply up to 300 PT-91, Polish version of T-72M1 to Kiev. But even PT-91 will be better than any T-64. He says 179 tanks to be supplied initially by 1 June in batches of 15-20
Cannot post links yet, so easiest way is, for those who are not friends or do not follow him on VK is to enter dadzi in the search and he links to the blog article on his wall.

Who is going to pay for them and what will be the source?

I don't think that the PT-91 has been produced for at least several years and Poland has less than 300 exemplars of this tank.

My error, not the PT-91 but from the 600+ T-72 in storage. Paid for by some tricks involving EU credits. Tanks are coming from storage depot at Wieliczka and then transported intitially to Belaya Tserkov in Ukraine. Polish instructors are alleged to be at Borisov.

Would that storage depot at Wieliczka have so many tanks? Sounds like a lot.

Khepesh wrote:

Erk wrote:

Khepesh wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Dadzi - Dmitry Dzygovbrodsky, has written about Poland likely to supply up to 300 PT-91, Polish version of T-72M1 to Kiev. But even PT-91 will be better than any T-64. He says 179 tanks to be supplied initially by 1 June in batches of 15-20
Cannot post links yet, so easiest way is, for those who are not friends or do not follow him on VK is to enter dadzi in the search and he links to the blog article on his wall.

Who is going to pay for them and what will be the source?

I don't think that the PT-91 has been produced for at least several years and Poland has less than 300 exemplars of this tank.

My error, not the PT-91 but from the 600+ T-72 in storage. Paid for by some tricks involving EU credits. Tanks are coming from storage depot at Wieliczka and then transported intitially to Belaya Tserkov in Ukraine. Polish instructors are alleged to be at Borisov.

Would that storage depot at Wieliczka have so many tanks? Sounds like a lot.

That's what dadzi says, but 600 in one place is not unfeasable if you are not expecting to be nuked. In this photo at Kharkov are about 150 in view without even panning camera.

Erk wrote:

Khepesh wrote:

Erk wrote:

Khepesh wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Dadzi - Dmitry Dzygovbrodsky, has written about Poland likely to supply up to 300 PT-91, Polish version of T-72M1 to Kiev. But even PT-91 will be better than any T-64. He says 179 tanks to be supplied initially by 1 June in batches of 15-20
Cannot post links yet, so easiest way is, for those who are not friends or do not follow him on VK is to enter dadzi in the search and he links to the blog article on his wall.

Who is going to pay for them and what will be the source?

I don't think that the PT-91 has been produced for at least several years and Poland has less than 300 exemplars of this tank.

My error, not the PT-91 but from the 600+ T-72 in storage. Paid for by some tricks involving EU credits. Tanks are coming from storage depot at Wieliczka and then transported intitially to Belaya Tserkov in Ukraine. Polish instructors are alleged to be at Borisov.

Would that storage depot at Wieliczka have so many tanks? Sounds like a lot.

That's what dadzi says, but 600 in one place is not unfeasable if you are not expecting to be nuked. In this photo at Kharkov are about 150 in view without even panning camera.

Yeah but Kharkov and Wieliczka are two different situations the Poles stopped work on T-72 when the soviet union dissolved because the USSR was the main customer for them, and they certainly didn't make 600 of the  PT-91 variant. Why would they have 600 T-72 lying around?

Ukrainian neo-nazis from Azov batallion burned alive a Novorossia resistance fighter on a cross (video 18+)

April 24, 2015
TVZvezda.ru

Translated from Russian by Kristina Rus

Ukrainian fighters from a nationalist voluntary regiment "Azov" sent a video of an execution of a Novorossia fighter to militia fighters and hackers from "Cyberberkut".

"According to the authors of this video, the footage was filmed near the village of Shirokino, and "all the separatists, traitors of Ukraine and militia fighters will be treated the same", -  "Cyberberkut" quoted the message from "Azov".

The footage shows how several punishers tied their victim to the cross, stuck the cross into the ground, and set fire to the wooden structure.

"This will not add fear neither to us nor the Armed Forces of Novorossia: we have already experienced too much in this life! But after this hardly anyone will capture "Azov" members alive" - responded the hackers to the atrocities of the security forces.

The authenticity of the video is not yet reliably confirmed. No official statements were made by the authorities of DPR.

"Azov" is one of the most infamous units of the Ukrainian National Guard, was formed as a battalion, in the fall expanded to a regiment. The unit consists of staunch nationalists - Ukrainian and mercenaries from other countries. The regiment uses the symbols of SS of Nazi Germany on its flag. Atrocities, harassment and war crimes of "Azov" fighters against the civilian population were repeatedly reported. Based in Mariupol.

AP wrote: In a new documentary, Russian President Vladimir Putin says intercepted calls showed that the U.S. helped separatists in Russia's North Caucasus in the 2000s, underscoring his suspicions of the West.

The two-hour documentary, which began airing Sunday afternoon on the state-owned Rossiya-1 TV channel, is dedicated to Putin's 15 years in office. It focused on Putin's achievements as well as challenges to his rule — which the producers and Putin blame on Western interference.

Putin was elected Russian president on March 26, 2000, after spending three months as acting president, and was sworn in on May 7, 2000.

The documentary showed Putin interviewed at the Kremlin in the dimly-lit St. Alexander's Hall. In excerpts released shortly before the film's broadcast, Putin said Russian intelligence agencies had intercepted calls between the separatists and U.S. intelligence based in Azerbaijan during the early 2000s, proving that Washington was helping the insurgents.

He didn't specify when the calls took place.

Following a disastrous war in the 1990s, Russia fought Islamic insurgents in Chechnya and neighboring regions in the volatile North Caucasus.

"They were actually helping them, even with transportation," Putin said.

Putin said he raised the issue with then-U.S. President George W. Bush, who promised Putin to "kick the ass" of the intelligence officers in question. But in the end, Putin said the Russian intelligence agency FSB received a letter from their "American counterparts" who asserted their right to "support all opposition forces in Russia," including the Islamic separatists in the Caucasus.

Putin also expressed his fears that the West wishes Russia harm as he recalled how some world leaders told him they would not mind Russia's possible disintegration.

"My counterparts, a lot of presidents and prime ministers told me later on that they had decided for themselves by then that Russia would cease to exist in its current form," he said, referring to the time period around the second conflict in the Caucasus. "The only question was when it happens and what consequences would be."

The latest poll by the independent Levada agency showed that the approval rating for Putin, whose third term in office ends in 2018, was a whopping 86 percent in April.

Putin's interview has revealed the depth of his disappointment in the West.

The West, in Putin's words, is friendly to Russia only when it is on its knees.

"The so-calling ruling classes, political and economic elites like us only when we are wretched and poor and stand with a begging hand," he said.

Whenever Russia begins to grow economically and politically, the West, according to Putin, begins to punish it. Putin said that he does not view Western sanctions against Russia as a reaction to last year's annexation of the Crimean Peninsula, but rather "an attempt to hamper Russia's development.

"This is a policy we have been familiar with for centuries."

Putin defended the annexation of Crimea as a response to the will of the people, which restored "historic justice."

Putin, who hasn't announced whether he will run for presidency in 2018, insisted that he still hasn't lost touch with ordinary Russians and that he "may very well imagine a life beyond this position."

dionis wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/putin-accuses-us-supporting-separatists-russia-121101345.html

Putin accuses US of supporting separatists in Russia

AP wrote: In a new documentary, Russian President Vladimir Putin says intercepted calls showed that the U.S. helped separatists in Russia's North Caucasus in the 2000s, underscoring his suspicions of the West.

The two-hour documentary, which began airing Sunday afternoon on the state-owned Rossiya-1 TV channel, is dedicated to Putin's 15 years in office. It focused on Putin's achievements as well as challenges to his rule — which the producers and Putin blame on Western interference.

Putin was elected Russian president on March 26, 2000, after spending three months as acting president, and was sworn in on May 7, 2000.

The documentary showed Putin interviewed at the Kremlin in the dimly-lit St. Alexander's Hall. In excerpts released shortly before the film's broadcast, Putin said Russian intelligence agencies had intercepted calls between the separatists and U.S. intelligence based in Azerbaijan during the early 2000s, proving that Washington was helping the insurgents.

He didn't specify when the calls took place.

Following a disastrous war in the 1990s, Russia fought Islamic insurgents in Chechnya and neighboring regions in the volatile North Caucasus.

"They were actually helping them, even with transportation," Putin said.

Putin said he raised the issue with then-U.S. President George W. Bush, who promised Putin to "kick the ass" of the intelligence officers in question. But in the end, Putin said the Russian intelligence agency FSB received a letter from their "American counterparts" who asserted their right to "support all opposition forces in Russia," including the Islamic separatists in the Caucasus.

Putin also expressed his fears that the West wishes Russia harm as he recalled how some world leaders told him they would not mind Russia's possible disintegration.

"My counterparts, a lot of presidents and prime ministers told me later on that they had decided for themselves by then that Russia would cease to exist in its current form," he said, referring to the time period around the second conflict in the Caucasus. "The only question was when it happens and what consequences would be."

The latest poll by the independent Levada agency showed that the approval rating for Putin, whose third term in office ends in 2018, was a whopping 86 percent in April.

Putin's interview has revealed the depth of his disappointment in the West.

The West, in Putin's words, is friendly to Russia only when it is on its knees.

"The so-calling ruling classes, political and economic elites like us only when we are wretched and poor and stand with a begging hand," he said.

Whenever Russia begins to grow economically and politically, the West, according to Putin, begins to punish it. Putin said that he does not view Western sanctions against Russia as a reaction to last year's annexation of the Crimean Peninsula, but rather "an attempt to hamper Russia's development.

"This is a policy we have been familiar with for centuries."

Putin defended the annexation of Crimea as a response to the will of the people, which restored "historic justice."

Putin, who hasn't announced whether he will run for presidency in 2018, insisted that he still hasn't lost touch with ordinary Russians and that he "may very well imagine a life beyond this position."

Any opinions on the legitimacy of these claims? Just wondering what people think of this article. I'm sure there's some truth to it, but the question is, how much?

Looks like Kiev is having yet another go at trying to convince the world the Russian Army is running roughshod over the UAF on the Donbass by presenting pieces and bits of Kornet laser-guided ATGMs, allegedly fired at the Aidar Battalion.

However, as andrei-bt (who, incidentally, is a Ukrainian blogger) points out, placing an engine part of a 9M113 Fagot wire-guided ATGM (on the left of the top photo) next to an unexploded warhead from a 9M133 Kornet missile suggests that maybe they should try harder.

Besides, considering that the Kornet is a widely exported and used weapon (users include Syria, Iraq, Hezbollah, and some have been captured by Syrian "moderate rebels"), it would not take much effort for a "friendly" Western intelligence service to provide Kiev with a few chunks of the missile. But it would have been more professional to actually supply enough pieces to make it more convincing!

Fort Russ

Regular wrote:Nah, just let NATO get in deep first and only then support seps openly Then we will see how much commitment NATO has. I don't think NATO will flirt with Ukraine for long IMHO.

Regular wrote:Nah, just let NATO get in deep first and only then support seps openly Then we will see how much commitment NATO has. I don't think NATO will flirt with Ukraine for long IMHO.