The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

medo wrote:

macedonian wrote:Might be legit, TV Zvezda has picked it up:

Zvezda

TB3 wrote:

Бойцы «Азова» заживо сожгли на кресте ополченца

Украинские бойцы националистического добровольного полка «Азов» разослали ополченцам  и хакерам из «КиберБеркута» видео расправы над солдатом армии Новороссии. «Как утверждают авторы данного видео, съемка происходила поблизости села Широкино, и «со всеми сепаратистами, предателями Украины и ополченцами - будет также», - сказано в сообщении «КиберБеркута».

These are seriously deranged people, and if the politicos in Kyev don't think they'll have a conflict with them later they're deluding themselves.

I recommend to Novorussian army to crucify all Azov prisoners at the road from Donetsk to Kiev like Crasus did with the rebel slaves of Spartacus.

Not like Daenarys Stormborn in GoT, nailing them pointing at Kiew  as a grim reminder where they will go?


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West Wages War Against Russian News Agencies

Now Europe will hire Online actors for error "Fact checking"
in Russian media articles..

Earlier this month, the EU announced the creation of a team of experts whose job requirement would be “correction and fact-checking of misinformation spread by the Kremlin.” Each of these “counter-propaganda” experts will be paid a hefty €4,350 ($4,670) a month.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150425/1021374197.html

http://tass.ru/en/world/791796

ТАСС wrote: Ukrainian Army commanders asking Donbass self-defence to open fire at Azov battalion

Ukrainian Armed Forces’ officers use open communication lines to make contacts with the officers of self-defence forces of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, in the course of which they ask to open fire at the highly controversial Azov ‘volunteer’ battalions, Eduard Basurin, the spokesman for the DPR Defence Ministry said.
They accompany their requests by references to the battalion’s total uncontrollability.

Proven: the UAF were putin's agents and aiding the agressor all along- 99% chance of this headline appearing on the ukrop MSM.

Vann7 wrote:
West Wages War Against Russian News Agencies

Now Europe will hire Online actors for error "Fact checking"
in Russian media articles..      

Earlier this month, the EU announced the creation of a team of experts whose job requirement would be “correction and fact-checking of misinformation spread by the Kremlin.” Each of these “counter-propaganda” experts will be paid a hefty €4,350 ($4,670) a month.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150425/1021374197.html

Haha, RT is already doing this job just pointing out all the bullshit our MSM is twisting, lying or just right out fabricating themselfs like BBC with MI6 blew up pipelines to film it and make a story out of it.

Latest from OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM), based on information received as of 19:30 (Kyiv time), 23 April 2015
KYIV 24 April 2015


Summary Table of Ceasefire Violations, 23 April 2015

Publisher Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe
Date 24 April 2015
Content Type: Attachment

I'm pretty sure I still can't post links.

3 pages
it lists

Summary Table of Ceasefire Violations
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SMM position
Location of event
Observation
Type of weapon
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ammunition
Direction
of fire
Time / date

On Demotix

Truce broken as Azov battalion exchanges fire with rebels in Shyrokine
18 April 2015 by Petr Shelomovskiy

10 photos, including one of A fighter of the Ukrainian volunteer Azov Battalion aims an anti-tank guided missile launcher during the heavy fighting between pro-Russian separatists and Ukrainian forces in the rebel controlled village of Shyrokine, Ukraine.

Patrick Lancaster at PLnewstoday · 22h 22 hours ago

Finally got my reentry visa for Russia so you know what that means people. Not long before Im in Donetsk Donbass

American reporter going back to Donetsk.

sepheronx wrote:Does everyone get new flats in Crimea or only Tatars just to make them feel better?  Because this is a farce.  They should get NO special treatment whatsoever just for being "tatars".  If they want to complain then let them.  If they want to leave, give them the option for a 1 way ticket out.  If they want to stay, then they need to become decent citizens and work like everyone else.

According to one of the news reports, a few Armenians and Germans got them too. Be aware that not many flats have been given out yet.

In regards to the Tatars, it's to do with the law on the return of deported peoples that was signed by Putin last year AFAIK. Right step IMO, if the Tatars had houses in the Crimea before they were deported, and in the 90s some of their descendants returned to the Crimea only to see that other families have long been living by then in the places their ancestors used to live - then it's only fair that they be compensated.
The problem was unsolved for the entirety of Ukrainian independence, and led to many illegal activites ranging from false land claims by migrants who had no connection with the Crimea, to conflicts over real estate between Tatars and Russians, to squatting and illegal housing construction w/o permits, and everything in between.
At least the new Russian authorities have made a start on its resolution.

IMO this same thing should be instated for the Circassians who chose eviction from their own land over pledging their loyalty to the Russian Emperor in the 19th century.
Long overdue really. Unofficially those from Syria and some other countries are being helped to resettle, but more should be done.

And the Koreans evicted from their homes in the Far East by Stalin's order - because he was afraid that they looked too similar to the Japanese and that Japanese spies could hide among them.

There is a lot of history that Russia needs to come to terms with, and the annexation of the Crimea has added one more.

Cowboy, try to post links to your information sources . its highly appreciated around here when we can look ourselves at the information sources that users refer their posts to. i understand posting the entire pages is too much but most of us are willing to check out the source of official reports like the one you mentioned.

Airbornewolf wrote:Cowboy, try to post links to your information sources . its highly appreciated around here when we can look ourselves at the information sources that users refer their posts to. i understand posting the entire pages is too much but most of us are willing to check out the source of official reports like the one you mentioned.

I think it might have to do with a small annoying rule that won't let us post links because we've registered since less than 7 days.

oh, if thats the case my appologies. i was not aware of that but sounds logical.

US is on planning stages of another.. guess what? Yes another attack to another nation
that is important for Russian interest.. this time Serbia.. It seems in light of the frozen conflict
in Ukraine ,they are now planning to start another front line against Russia allies..  

-Syria ... check..
-Ukraine-- check..
-Serbia -- ?



http://www.voltairenet.org/article186778.html

They will want to split a region from Serbia and give it to the minorities.. The above
report reveals how multiculturalism in Europe.. have been one of the favorite weapons
of the western Neocons and its zionist allies , like a Trojan Horse..to create violence between different ethnic groups whenever they want to redraw the lines of any country or overthrow
a government.

Fortunately Serbia will not be alone and Russia is in a better position now.. but still the danger is possible if the attack is internal through a coup that could provoke a civil war..

The first Stage of any civil war ,planned by the west.. in any nation of Europe is first to flood
a nation with foreigners and minorities of other ethnic groups. and later they go provoke
with money ethnic violence between factions.. in Ukraine the anti Russians factions came from Bordering countries with western Ukraine.

Vann7 wrote:

US is on planning stages of another.. guess what? Yes another attack to another nation
that is important for Russian interest.. this time Serbia.. It seems in light of the frozen conflict
in Ukraine ,they are now planning to start another front line against Russia allies..  

-Syria ... check..
-Ukraine-- check..
-Serbia -- ?



http://www.voltairenet.org/article186778.html

They will want to split a region from Serbia and give it to the minorities.. The above
report reveals how multiculturalism in Europe.. have been one of the favorite weapons
of the western Neocons and its zionist allies , like a Trojan Horse..to create violence between different ethnic groups whenever they want to redraw the lines of any country or overthrow
a government.

Fortunately Serbia will not be alone and Russia is in a better position now.. but still the danger is possible if the attack is internal through a coup that could provoke a civil war..

this stuff propped up in early 2000s . i don't know why it's being done again . Can't say . kYRGYZSTAN IS ON TARGET .

Don't worry Belarus and Kazakhstan are already since decades being undermined by US NGO's.

can we please stick to the topic?

aFTER viewing UKRAINE fiasco these central asian former soviet republic nations must think multiple times before going for a revolution . Their running and future economy will turn into shambles . US will throw dollar via IMF as loan on them . Boom! Your Nation is gone .


Who went offtopic first :

Definitively Russia cannot continue for very long tolerating US interference in
sovereign nations and destruction of it.They either will need to crush the US dollar
to end their capability to spend $billions and billions in bribes and NGOs.. or they will need to declare a limited war ,something like a direct confrontation to the source of the problem..
sooner or later and directly to USA.. Something like that will truly make Europe to wake up to a new world reality that can no longer look to the sides ,while USA continues its criminal lawlessness behavior in the world.

The war against dis-information is also extremely important ..and it cannot be all left to Russia
RT to educate people about what really happens in world conflicts and who are fueling them.
It will be nice if Europe also create their alternative media not aligned with NATO propaganda and tell things the way they are.

EU stationed U.S troops already shrugged on the 173rd reputation a few times when some of my millitary friends asked them about the ukraine training mission. there are some american officers and troops that feel their government is deliberately poking the bear trough an open wound with bringing US troops so close to eastern Ukraine.
anyway, i stumbled over this when doing some research into the 173rd after my friends mentioned "they might fit right in with the nazi's mentality there". this seems to fit right in.

http://russia-insider.com/en/us-airborne-brigade-sent-ukraine-openly-bragged-about-vietnam-atrocities/5812

also, the U.S troops will leave their equipment for the Ukraine troops to use. not all will leave tough, the 173rd FAC observers will remain in ukraine for the next 6 months before being relieved by an unit that will come from the U.S and be ferried in trough Rammstein. they use the cover of "training" and Poland is supplying fresh ordnance and spare parts for the Ukraine airforce to use in combination with american FAC's in case of resumption of hostilities.

Polands plan to supply heavy armour to Ukraine has been torpedoed by an retired Polish General that stepped to the media, withdrew his support to ukraine and said the Ukraine government whitewashed nazi collaborators. appearanty the guy has some pull still on the polish armed forces. the polish minister of defense has some tough questions to answer in the near future.

there are some other minor rumours, but nothing worth mentioning yet.

its the millitary gossip machine going of course, but most times it turned to be reasonably accurate in the past.

For anyone who's interested a free e-book that's over '250' pages long in PDF format that's arguably the most documented account of the Ukraine crisis, and it also goes in-depth in the Sveboda party, Stephan Bandera character and the ideology...

http://www.cis-emo.net/sites/default/files/imagesimce/neonazis_euromaidan_-_3rd_edition.pdf

magnumcromagnon wrote:For anyone who's interested a free e-book that's over '250' pages long in PDF format that's arguably the most documented account of the Ukraine crisis, and it also goes in-depth in the Sveboda party, Stephan Bandera character and the ideology...

looks very interesting, thanks for sharing. Any extra info on the authors?

Jerking off version Ukraine, again

http://uatoday.tv/politics/poroshenko-ukraine-may-raise-usd-2-bln-in-donor-funds-to-rebuild-donbas-423596.html

We have prepared an international conference on Donbas, which foresees two directions. The first is that we've already received donors' confirmation to allocate billion to restore Donbas infrastructure.    This concerns the restoration of the electricity and water supply, the rehabilitation of roads, destroyed bridges, ruined school and hospital facilities   ," Poroshenko said.

"The second direction is to renew and inject investment into Donbas. And every my visit, starting from Germany, the United States, Canada, Australia, Japan and my recent trip to France, is a clear demonstration: yes, Mr. President, we're ready to go to Donbas together with you, bring [same] equipment as was taken away to Russia , build plants, which were destroyed by militants, and do their best to create jobs for people there   ," Poroshenko said.

According to Poroshenko, the main things required in the occupied territory are security, the settlement of humanitarian problems faced by those who're unable to work, and the creation of jobs.

"And as of today there is a comprehensive program I've approved, and we're looking forward to seeing the first security-related stage be over, when the ceasefire becomes reality and [military] hardware is withdrawn and demilitarization takes place, after fair, transparent [local] elections are held in line with OSCE standards, and then we'll immediately inject investment into Donbas and funds to rebuild [its] infrastructure,"    Poroshenko said.

My comment: LIES, LIES, and more LIES

Ukrainians protesting at US embassy ..  saying thanks for American "freedom"..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDU4ovFVEAAXWZl.jpg





Just another day in kiev.. People patience is ending.. And organizers of Protest are either
systematically beaten by right sector or arrested by the government or killed by a mysterious
bullet.. as happened with the Ukrainian journalist who dared to complain about Kiev policies.
and to organize a protest too..

The ukrainian pianist born in kiev ,Valentina Twitter site.. is a good source of ukraine info.. what is happening in Kiev.. reports of Torture and killing of Ukrainian soldiers in training who does not follow orders.. a reign of terror ..

https://twitter.com/vallisitsa

Stephen F. Cohen ,The West vs Russia, Munk Debates,Should the West engage or isolate Russia

Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pJlU62Ek4Q
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX-HBJ9MhBE
Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFQvXO5rteU
Part 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUrwoYYusdc
Part 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgLynGEvQh8
Part 6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA7kb-wS0Z8
Part 7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqGvjrhzcL8