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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

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    Post  Cucumber Khan Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:32 pm

    TR1 is a voice of reason. All this rabid anti-west crap or whatever is tiring.

    You can be against Putin and pro Russia. God knows...
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    Post  par far Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:39 pm

    Putin has warned Isarel against sending any lethal aid to the Kiev regime. Things are going to get very serious.



    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/04/18/406911/Putin-warns-Israel-on-Kiev-arms-delivery
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    Post  Cucumber Khan Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:45 pm

    par far wrote:Putin has warned Isarel against sending any lethal aid to the Kiev regime. Things are going to get very serious.

    After the S-300 to Iran, like Israel will give a damn...Putin has to understand he can't always make his own rules. "I can sell to your enemy but you can't sell to my enemy".
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    Post  Viktor Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:54 pm

    par far wrote:Putin has warned Isarel against sending any lethal aid to the Kiev regime. Things are going to get very serious.  
    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/04/18/406911/Putin-warns-Israel-on-Kiev-arms-delivery

    Should sell Iran S-400 and Su-35/PAK-FA combo too Very Happy

    who gives a f..k about Israel weapons and their sales to broken nazi government.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:33 pm

    Cucumber Khan wrote:
    par far wrote:Putin has warned Isarel against sending any lethal aid to the Kiev regime. Things are going to get very serious.

    After the S-300 to Iran, like Israel will give a damn...Putin has to understand he can't always make his own rules. "I can sell to your enemy but you can't sell to my enemy".

    I agree it's hypocritical; it's only natural for Israel to sell Ukraine the weapons.. they can just say the same thing as Russia says when it sells to Iran; "it's just business".

    On the other hand; read the article - Putin doesn't really warn Israel as much as simply give his own view on such a possible development. It's a mild rebute at best.
    Certainly not any sort of diplomatic or official statement/warning.

    Personally I share Viktor's views - who the fk cares about Israeli weapons and their sales to a collapsing Nazi government. Those UAVs will probably eventually end up in some oligarch's inventory to use in their turf wars - after maybe a short stint in the Donbass where they'll quickly be brought down and trophied by Russian-operated Avtobaza systems ,and the Ukrainians wise up enough not to waste more of them there.
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    Post  Werewolf Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:38 pm

    Still no major networks reporting anything about these rapes.

    HAHA, of course not. Here in germany by secret aggreements it is forbbiden for "our" german press to report or even mention the crimes such as murder, rape, vandalism, violance or theft committed by british or american soldiers, the MSM are controlled that is why they don't bring what is not in the interest of US, but you are the only guilable person here believing in the Göbbels propaganda method of repeated and parrotted lies over and over and now you believe that russian media is controlled by this western media over here is free, which it is not.
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    Post  Werewolf Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:39 pm

    Cucumber Khan wrote:
    par far wrote:Putin has warned Isarel against sending any lethal aid to the Kiev regime. Things are going to get very serious.

    After the S-300 to Iran, like Israel will give a damn...Putin has to understand he can't always make his own rules. "I can sell to your enemy but you can't sell to my enemy".

    Uhh another western uneducated person. The S-300 is DEFENSIVE WEAPON, not a lethal offensive one which the west and enemies like Israel are sending to nazis which are the jews best friends sharing both same supremacy ideologies.
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:28 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Cucumber Khan wrote:
    par far wrote:Putin has warned Isarel against sending any lethal aid to the Kiev regime. Things are going to get very serious.

    After the S-300 to Iran, like Israel will give a damn...Putin has to understand he can't always make his own rules. "I can sell to your enemy but you can't sell to my enemy".

    Uhh another western uneducated person. The S-300 is DEFENSIVE WEAPON, not a lethal offensive one which the west and enemies like Israel are sending to nazis which are the jews best friends sharing both same supremacy ideologies.

    Thats correct..

    The sale of S-300s to IRAN will not make ISrael any less safe or pose any risk for them..
    there is a huge distance between ISrael and IRAN.. and S-3000s do not have 2,500km range
    to pose a threat to Israel.. only 200km.  In the other side if ISRAEL provide any weapon To Ukraine , they fully know the weapons could be and most likely be used against Russia.
    BEcause Ukraine is at war already with pro Russian civilians and threatening in public for a war with Russia in this summer. so is a major provocation.

    Russia should just send S-300s in big numbers to Syria if Israel give weapons to Ukraine.

    About the presstv news.. It is clear misleading . Russia never warned Israel of not supplying weapons to Ukraine.. Putin actually said they can do whatever they feel necessary . What Putin told is that any weapons Israel provide to Ukraine will only escalate the violence and will not solve anything..
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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:10 am

    Garry, can you tell the child to calm down? I think he needs a break from the internet.

    He is getting a break... two days to think about ignoring warnings about his signature from a mod which he is clearly ignoring.

    Accusing others of being butthurt just makes you seem....kind of butthurt yourself

    And your comments about people who don't agree with you being retards do the same, but that is different right?

    Still no major networks reporting anything about these rapes.

    Those same networks that never report anything good Russia does or anything bad the US does... imagine that... what a fundamental change in their reporting habits...

    TR1 is a voice of reason. All this rabid anti-west crap or whatever is tiring.

    You can be against Putin and pro Russia. God knows...

    Of course... all of Russias problems will be solved when their government behaves and falls into line and starts selling off assets and resources cheaply to large US companies so they can make enormous profits. Kasparov for Russian Tsar... he can let the place burn to the ground as long as Rome gets its gold tribute.

    The real world is there are good guys and bad guys... just listen to the good guys on CNN and the BBC and they will tell you who is who... Bad guys always do bad and never do good and the good guys never do bad and always do good. When the US kills people it is for their own good and anything Russia does is just proof of their aggression. Rolling Eyes

    TR-1 is proof of the power of western propaganda.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:30 am

    Cucumber Khan wrote:TR1 is a voice of reason. All this rabid anti-west crap or whatever is tiring.

    You can be against Putin and pro Russia. God knows...

    Usually I would agree, but under the current circumstances, I say not. Russia is CLEARLY being targeted by an aggressive US-initiated campaign of geopolitical and economic aggression, supported by their feckless NATO vassals, and at times like this, the Russian public needs to stick their colours to the flagpole. From any practical considerations, the US drive to drag Ukr into NATO and the Trans-Atlantic camp, as well as their unflagging drive to incubate a quasi-fascist strongly russophobic regime is far more damaging to Russias' long term interests than the 911 attacks were to the US, and of course we all know how the US reacted to that (and how they are still).

    The US power-play is simply the latest outbreak of unprovoked naked aggression, simple and pure. It lacks any ethical or moral basis, and stands as testimony to the total bankruptcy of US foreign policy since 1991. If an observer is knowledgeable, sensible and honest, the only conclusion is to agree with Russias' position. Criticism of Putin is misplaced while Russia is under assault in such a fashion as such aids and abets Mordor on the Potomac and its myriad legions of US-funded NGOs, "democracy activists", and 5th columnists of all stripes.
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    Post  TheArmenian Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:41 am

    I have a sincere advice to the Israelis:

    If they want to sell weapons to Ukraine, they should ask for payment in advance.
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    Post  Cyberspec Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:55 am

    TheArmenian wrote:I have a sincere advice to the Israelis:

    If they want to sell weapons to Ukraine, they should ask for payment in advance.

    I was gonna say the same. Maybe they'll get some free stuff or they'll pay with real estate (future province of Khazaria)
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:07 am

    TheArmenian wrote:I have a sincere advice to the Israelis:

    If they want to sell weapons to Ukraine, they should ask for payment in advance.

    I'm sure the Ukrainians will find a way to pay Israel and the West too, for enabling them to continue the war against their own people that they themselves started and the very same West has supported and goaded them on in.

    The Ukraine has many riches with which to bargain. Its land, its industries, its infrastructure, its people, etc...
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    Post  mack8 Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:15 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Cucumber Khan wrote:TR1 is a voice of reason. All this rabid anti-west crap or whatever is tiring.

    You can be against Putin and pro Russia. God knows...

    Usually I would agree, but under the current circumstances, I say not.  Russia is CLEARLY being targeted by an aggressive US-initiated campaign of geopolitical and economic aggression, supported by their feckless NATO vassals, and at times like this, the Russian public needs to stick their colours to the flagpole.  From any practical considerations, the US drive to drag Ukr into NATO and the Trans-Atlantic camp, as well as their unflagging drive to incubate a quasi-fascist strongly russophobic regime is far more damaging to Russias' long term interests than the 911 attacks were to the US, and of course we all know how the US reacted to that (and how they are still).  

    The US power-play is simply the latest outbreak of unprovoked naked aggression, simple and pure.  It lacks any ethical or moral basis, and stands as testimony to the total bankruptcy of US foreign policy since 1991.  If an observer is knowledgeable, sensible and honest, the only conclusion is to agree with Russias' position.  Criticism of Putin is misplaced while Russia is under assault in such a fashion as such aids and abets Mordor on the Potomac and its myriad legions of US-funded NGOs, "democracy activists", and 5th columnists of all stripes.

    I may disagree with you vehemently on other things, but this is a very good post i fully agree with. This Ukraine mess was never about anything but geopolitical games, i.e. the US pushing it's hegemonic ambitions to Russia's borders with the ultimate objective being Russia itself (or so they dream). No one in the Pentagon or their vassals gives a flying *** about Ukraine or it's peoples or their well-being or their rights (and frankly, considering what they are used for, neither should Moscow, sorry), it's all about using them until they're bled try. If there is something the ukrainians themselves are guilty of, is passivity, stupidity and treason (from those who are sold to US and selling their country to it). One can argue this is the result of mass and systematic brainwashing, but then there are many of us who by all rights should be just as brainwashed as them, but we're not. Surely not everyone in Ukraine can be that dumb and gullible, they could have stopped this whole Maidan thing if there was a bit of spine, they could have stopped their country going down the drain, hell they can even stop it now, neither Porky nor his nazi scum nor the americans can stop say 10 million Ukrainians taking to the streets and demanding an end to this mess (and preferably giving Porky and his ilk the "treatment" reserves for the likes of them).

    But if the ukrainians stay pathetically passive and they're cowering in a corner and hope for...whatever (hell, the americans themselves said that they don't want the Kiev junta to win the war against Novorussia!!), sorry but it's the bed they're making for themselves, and they'll suffer the consequences. No one is going to give them any mercy.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:17 pm

    Boxing entertainment. .Ukraine vs Russia..  
    a fight in Ukraine..




    Im sure the Russian boxer had to be more scared for his life if ever win the fight..
    than anything and be lynched and mobbed there by the Ultra Nationalist.

    You can even notice the russian was not even fighting at all.. i think in the end
    the Russian was more than happy of losing ,he saved his life.. Laughing
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    Post  max steel Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:11 pm

       ‘We're not interested in a fair fight’ – US army commander urges NATO to confront Russia       attack  affraid

    The US could never win a fair fight, reason they choose weak and small nations. angry

    http://rt.com/news/250981-russian-threat-nato-hodges/
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:08 pm

    max steel wrote:    ‘We're not interested in a fair fight’ – US army commander urges NATO to confront Russia       attack  affraid

    The US could never win a fair fight, reason they choose weak and small nations.  angry

    http://rt.com/news/250981-russian-threat-nato-hodges/

    In the 90's a US general suggested to attack a Russian vdv garrison entrenched at an airport. The rest told him to f off. Pristina airport? Anyway, this is no different but other than a US generals bravado. What this will do though is help further push a divide and force Russia to build up her military capabilities even more.

    It is hypocritical of him or anyone else to call Russia the agressor when they have been aggressors for longer and started Ukraine. They failed countless of times to provide proof when the burden was on them. They gained new allies in some nordic countries and who knows how, maybe through threats or bribery, but they have, while they are loosing others and many are questioning this whole endevour entirely. This is a General for US in Europe, this should be plenty enough for anyone - EU is a vassal state.

    Never the less, this will give Russian nationalists ammunition against their liberals who want to sell themselves off to the west, and will probably make even a prettier penny to the MIC in Russia.
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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:50 pm

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    Post  collegeboy16 Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:56 pm

    max steel wrote:    ‘We're not interested in a fair fight’ – US army commander urges NATO to confront Russia       attack  affraid

    The US could never win a fair fight, reason they choose weak and small nations.  angry

    http://rt.com/news/250981-russian-threat-nato-hodges/
    war is not a sport- its life or death, so ofc. nobody even the leading military power wants to fight fair. that being said i hope that when it comes to the brink saner minds prevail like what happened in pristina as sepheronx posted. its really in nobodies interest but teraformars to have nuclear armageddon.
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    Post  max steel Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:13 pm

    Teraformars

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:29 pm

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    max steel wrote:    ‘We're not interested in a fair fight’ – US army commander urges NATO to confront Russia       attack  affraid

    The US could never win a fair fight, reason they choose weak and small nations.  angry

    http://rt.com/news/250981-russian-threat-nato-hodges/
    war is not a sport- its life or death, so ofc. nobody even the leading military power wants to fight fair. that being said i hope that when it comes to the brink saner minds prevail like what happened in pristina as sepheronx posted. its really in nobodies interest but teraformars to have nuclear armageddon.

    In reality, US generals have threatened Russia or claimed they are a threat for forever.  Nothing changes.  Pristina airport is a good example of that.  I was given an explanation from a former British Marine from work (he is a paramedic) that they were told that the US general suggested that and he said that is the stupidest thing he heard.  Europeans don't fall for that as they know it will be them getting the brunt of the bombardments.  They will build themselves up.

    In the end, no system is 100% perfect.  As Austin pointed out, the SM-3 isn't even close to perfect and the system would be easily countered.  Countered in that cruise missiles may destroy the system, or be over saturated.  And with systems like this:



    Russia can effectively arm any ship, transport truck or stationary facility with these babies and you will have a very strong system.  If they can create something that can use a system similar that can launch air defence missiles like to protect against PGM's (similar missile to TOR), then you can have multiroll transport ships (lol).

    Edit: on that same note, the company who made the graphical video, should make an RTS video game. Would be awesome!
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    Post  collegeboy16 Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:51 pm

    max steel wrote:Teraformars
    well what i actually mean are these http://terraformars.wikia.com/wiki/Terraformar
    -basically evolved cockroaches that could take humanoid forms. but then again, seeing as how these people seem to wish for a nuke war they very well might be cockroaches in human form too
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    Post  max steel Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:27 pm

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    max steel wrote:Teraformars
    well what i actually mean are these http://terraformars.wikia.com/wiki/Terraformar
    -basically evolved cockroaches that could take humanoid forms. but then again, seeing as how these people seem to wish for a nuke war they very well might be cockroaches in human form too

    I know what teraformars are and i posted those pictures to show you who they really are in la la land . Laughing
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:36 am

    max steel wrote:    ‘We're not interested in a fair fight’ – US army commander urges NATO to confront Russia       attack  affraid

    The US could never win a fair fight, reason they choose weak and small nations.  angry

    http://rt.com/news/250981-russian-threat-nato-hodges/


    "We want to have overmatch in all systems. I don't think that we've fallen behind but Russia has closed the gap in certain capabilities. We don't want them to close that gap,” he revealed

    What the Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    The fact is that Russia is NOT behind the West in weapon technology and therefore there is no need for Russia to close the gap.
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:24 pm



    I know this is just fluffling and beaten chest provocations.. but..
    NATO is now threatening Russia with attacking it.. if a military conflict start..




    The head of the Main Operation Directorate of the General Staff has warned that in the case of a military conflict, critical facilities on the territory of “almost the entire European part of Russia will be vulnerable to NATO’s air attack, with the flight time of the missiles reduced by half.”

    http://rt.com/news/251229-nato-tornado-drills-estonia/

    How much i will love to see a happy trigger NATO General to dare to attack Russia with a cruise
    missile to see later how The RUssian airforce wipe the entire military at russian borders ,and the survivors running away with their tail between their legs.. saying sorry ,or apologizing for the mistake.. Laughing

    They are clearly provoking Russia to say something hostile ,or do something hostile ,and later use their BS media to demonize Russia as an "aggressor". The entire objective of this provocations is to pressure Russia do something that will facilitate US pressuring EU for more sanctions. In other words an economic war.. They will not attack Russia.. because if they do it.. they will be unable later to demonize their actions.. and instead the image problem will be for them.. for attacking Russia.




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