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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:21 pm

    TR1 wrote:Yeah, "Ruskaya Sila" sounds like a legit source.


    Says the guy with the "degenerate trifecta" signature... Let he who is without close-minded bias cast the first stone....
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:25 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Yeah, "Ruskaya Sila" sounds like a legit source.


    Says the guy with the "degenerate trifecta" signature...  Let he who is without close-minded bias cast the first stone....

    You are talking to the guy that constantly shows his hypocrisy as often as possible.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:29 pm

    Interesting story from the pressitutes at Reuters regarding the impact of the Ukr civil war on the Ukrop heartland..

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/10/us-ukraine-crisis-west-idUSKBN0N112E20150410

    If even the Chosen of Bandera are having second thoughts, what does that say about the South and East?
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    Post  par far Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:20 pm

    They are really pushing for war.


    http://rt.com/news/250489-us-troops-ukraine-training/

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    Post  Werewolf Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:24 pm

    par far wrote:They are really pushing for war.


    http://rt.com/news/250489-us-troops-ukraine-training/


    Same case like in Georgia of course they are pushing for war, but of course they will use european idiots as meatshield.
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    Post  par far Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:28 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:They are really pushing for war.


    http://rt.com/news/250489-us-troops-ukraine-training/


    Same case like in Georgia of course they are pushing for war, but of course they will use european idiots as meatshield.

    I don't know why Europeans never learn. After this Russia I think can openly help the Novorossiyan army.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:33 pm

    par far wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    par far wrote:They are really pushing for war.


    http://rt.com/news/250489-us-troops-ukraine-training/


    Same case like in Georgia of course they are pushing for war, but of course they will use european idiots as meatshield.

    I don't know why Europeans never learn. After this Russia I think can openly help the Novorossiyan army.

    Russia can do what it wants, the US already has depleted its entire spectrum to harm russia. They forced by its dictatorship on its vassals to harm their own economy to harm russia on false pretext, they destroyed a passanger jet and murdered 300 people just to frame russia, they openly arm nazis and are openly inside Ukraine with CIA and officials walking through ukraine like it is theirs but pretend it is russia that is doing a war. Russia can do as it pleases because it is the only country in right to defend itself right now.

    With the profanity removed you still get the same message across. The difference in future will be if you keep swearing and make me have to waste my time editing out your bad language I might decide to save myself some time and just give you a couple of days off to cool down. As it is I will just edit this time. I actually agree with most of what you say, but the problem is how you say it. Perhaps you should not type while angry. We are not kids but adults have standards of behaviour.

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    Post  mack8 Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:21 pm

    Another assassination, a woman, Olga Moroz, journalist.
    http://www.novinite.com/articles/167954/Another+Ukrainian+Journalist+Found+Dead,+Murder+Suspected

    Allegedly she was investigating illegal deforestation, any idea if this had to do with "government" figures? Did she held-anti-"government", anti-war views?
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    Post  TR1 Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:30 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Yeah, "Ruskaya Sila" sounds like a legit source.


    Says the guy with the "degenerate trifecta" signature...  Let he who is without close-minded bias cast the first stone....

    Do you honestly believe that "news" report?

    Really?
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    Post  mack8 Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:58 pm

    Yeah, like US troops never raped or killed anyone in countries they have troops in, not even mentioning the countries they attacked and occupied. Only  coming from Kiev and Pentagon would make such news "legit"? Rolling Eyes

    PS: Not from Ukraine, but here's an example of what happened in other countries:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teo_Peter


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    Post  TR1 Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:04 pm

    mack8 wrote:Yeah, like US troops never raped or killed anyone in countries they have troops in, not even mentioning the countries they attacked and occupied. Only  coming from Kiev and Pentagon would make such news "legit"? Rolling Eyes

    Yep, and Russian troops have never killed or raped....within their own borders. Oh wait. Where are you going with this again?

    Seriously, go ahead and find some proof aside from a one line blurb from "Ruskaya Sila" lmao.

    I know you guys are pretty slow, but surely you can see where the skepticism comes from.

    And you people have the gall to complain about how "brainwashed" the "other-side" is. Hypocrisy, or just lack of critical thinking? Methinks both.

    By your logic, we should believe any news about Russia that come from a random obscure Kiev newsite Smile .
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    Post  Viktor Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:15 pm

    Even Poles are begining to understand tha US brough and financed pure nazi madness in Ukraine

    Top Polish Military Advisor "Completely Withdraws" His Support of Kiev

    At this point, I realized that Ukraine does not consider the Polish people. I’m talking of what happened in Volhynia, the slaughter of 100,000 Poles by the UPA [in 1943 and 1944]

    “The UPA murdered my uncle, nailing him with forks to the barn door. From what I know, he died three days later. Their savagery was beyond human imagination. Nazi Germany did not come up with what those Ukrainians were doing(…)


    Brains do grow on trees.


    Polish Presidential Candidate Wants Warmer Russia Ties

    The presidential candidate from Poland's social democrats says its time for Poland to work on improving diplomatic relations with Russia


    but what is more interesting is that nazi brigades are now shelling each other

    Rebels Say Rival Ukraine Forces Shelling Each Other

    Army of Novorossiya should perhaps get some popcorn and chear Very Happy


    and finally Jews spoke out against Ukranian nazi regime

    Simon Wiesenthal Center Condemns Ukraine Honors for Militia That Collaborated with Nazis
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    Post  Viktor Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:59 pm

    Army of Novorossia drone shoting some fantastic footages of Ukraine nazi tank ride Very Happy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vds10HTOJs&feature=youtu.be
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:30 am

    [quote="Viktor"]Even Poles are begining to understand tha US brough and financed pure nazi madness in Ukraine

    Top Polish Military Advisor "Completely Withdraws" His Support of Kiev

    At this point, I realized that Ukraine does not consider the Polish people. I’m talking of what happened in Volhynia, the slaughter of 100,000 Poles by the UPA [in 1943 and 1944]

    “The UPA murdered my uncle, nailing him with forks to the barn door. From what I know, he died three days later. Their savagery was beyond human imagination. Nazi Germany did not come up with what those Ukrainians were doing(…)

    They didn't realize anything.

    It was perfectly acceptable for them to support Kiev when it was Russians that were being repressed, the Russian language being trampled on, rights of Russian-speakers in the east, pro-Russian protestors being burnt alive, eastern Ukrainain political parties and politicians being barred or beaten, killed, etc...

    It's perfectly acceptable for them; because Russians don't matter and this Polish general didn't really have much of a higher opinion of them than the Ukrainians did.

    But now that it's Polish memories that are being trampled on - here comes the general with his 'realization'. Pathetic.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:46 am

    The following video from Kiev is graphic and very disturbing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eUW36WZsaQ8

    Can someone explain what was happening? Were they pushed/forced to do that or ...? Is there a film crew there?
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:20 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Yeah, "Ruskaya Sila" sounds like a legit source.


    Says the guy with the "degenerate trifecta" signature...  Let he who is without close-minded bias cast the first stone....

    Do you honestly believe that "news" report?

    Really?

    Personally I doubt EVERYTHING I read.  I always consider ideology, agenda, ownership, source of funding, etc of the agency producing the article.  I read RT but I don't implicitly trust it, though I do find it more candid than Western MSM corporate offerings which are in all honesty, little more than agitprop.

    In the balance regarding Ukr, I find the Russian perspective to be far more honest and credible than that coming from the West.  Our elite-run governments and the elite-owned media machines work hand-in-glove to support a divisive and destructive global agenda, and while I have no doubt that cheesey Russian tabloids and alternative media sites are no paragons of journalistic accuracy, I'll give Russians the benefit of the doubt over Western dis-info services when it comes to events in Russia and her near-abroad.

    P.S  what's with the "degenerate trifecta" shit?  I generally like your combative against-the-current style as it counterbalances the more frothy Russia-stronk posters (who have a valid point of view in many cases) but this "degenerate" crap?  Mate, you've lost me on this one...
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:30 am

    Viktor wrote:Army of Novorossia drone shoting some fantastic footages of Ukraine nazi tank ride  Very Happy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vds10HTOJs&feature=youtu.be

    Oh, how I wish that drone had a quad pack of 9M120 Ataka anti-tank missiles.....
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    Post  2SPOOKY4U Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:38 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:The following video from Kiev is graphic and very disturbing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eUW36WZsaQ8

    Can someone explain what was happening? Were they pushed/forced to do that or ...? Is there a film crew there?

    Dumb idiots attracting attention. Nothing much to care about, was browsing 4chan /pol/ and saw a Ukrainian guy post that photo claiming it was Russians in that video.

    Gotta love Ukraine. I don't know of a place that beats the shit that people come up with over there.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:48 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Yeah, "Ruskaya Sila" sounds like a legit source.


    Says the guy with the "degenerate trifecta" signature...  Let he who is without close-minded bias cast the first stone....

    Do you honestly believe that "news" report?

    Really?

    Personally I doubt EVERYTHING I read.  I always consider ideology, agenda, ownership, source of funding, etc of the agency producing the article.  I read RT but I don't implicitly trust it, though I do find it more candid than Western MSM corporate offerings which are in all honesty, little more than agitprop.

    In the balance regarding Ukr, I find the Russian perspective to be far more honest and credible than that coming from the West.  Our elite-run governments and the elite-owned media machines work hand-in-glove to support a divisive and destructive global agenda, and while I have no doubt that cheesey Russian tabloids and alternative media sites are no paragons of journalistic accuracy, I'll give Russians the benefit of the doubt over Western dis-info services when it comes to events in Russia and her near-abroad.

    P.S  what's with the "degenerate trifecta" shit?  I generally like your combative against-the-current style as it counterbalances the more frothy Russia-stronk posters (who have a valid point of view in many cases) but this "degenerate" crap?  Mate, you've lost me on this one...

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    Big_Gazza,

    What you have referred to is a case of obsession with "personalities". This kind of obsession has been foisted by the system onto the unsuspecting proles, and the most vulnerable commonly fall victim to it. The victims come to believe that these public personalities actually are the decision-makers.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:17 am

    TR1 wrote:Yeah, "Ruskaya Sila" sounds like a legit source.


    *Facepalm* Leave it to this imbecile to act like rape in US military circles isn't a epidemic, btw in the year 2011 at least 3,192 cases of sexual assault was reported in the US military, and he DoD estimates that in 2010 alone, over 19,000 sexual assaults occurred in the military:

    A culture of coverup: rape in the ranks of the US military



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    Post  Vann7 Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:50 am



    A third side mercenaries.. provoking the Ukrainians Army and Novosiya to fight..
    just like in kiev.. anyone remember the kiev snipers firing both sides? This looks like a
    classic CIA operation.

    http://tass.ru/en/world/790241


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    Post  TR1 Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:51 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    P.S  what's with the "degenerate trifecta" shit?  I generally like your combative against-the-current style as it counterbalances the more frothy Russia-stronk posters (who have a valid point of view in many cases) but this "degenerate" crap?  Mate, you've lost me on this one...

    Speaks for itself doesn't it?

    3 gross symbols of Russia I can't stand.
    Especially funny since Putin gets loved here while Yeltsin is hated.
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    Post  TR1 Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:51 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Yeah, "Ruskaya Sila" sounds like a legit source.


    *Facepalm* Leave it to this imbecile to act like rape in US military circles isn't a epidemic, btw in the year 2011 at least 3,192 cases of sexual assault was reported in the US military, and he DoD estimates that in 2010 alone, over 19,000 sexual assaults occurred in the military:

    A culture of coverup: rape in the ranks of the US military




    Prove that Ruskaya Sila claim is true, you intellectual midget. Find any reputable source that corroborates it.

    Typical asinine rant that has NOTHING to do with what I said.

    In Russia, rape victims have even less support than in the US.
    So I really would not go in that direction if I were you.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:50 am

    Oh, how I wish that drone had a quad pack of 9M120 Ataka anti-tank missiles.....

    I was thinking when I was watching it it could do with auto target tracking software and smoother camera movements/zoom.


    magnumcromagnon I have asked nicely by private message, now I am telling you to modify your signature or there will be problems between you an I which will likely result in you getting banned for a couple of days.
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    Prove that Ruskaya Sila claim is true, you intellectual midget. If you want to be respected, you have to give respect. Bullying others because they don't agree with you will not end well. It creates arguments from discussions.

    US service personnel have a strong record of sexual assault everywhere they are deployed and US military policy seems to match that of the Catholic Church... just move the offenders somewhere else and pretend it never happened. If it isn't true yet it will be... it is only a matter of time sadly.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:09 am

    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Yeah, "Ruskaya Sila" sounds like a legit source.


    *Facepalm* Leave it to this imbecile to act like rape in US military circles isn't a epidemic, btw in the year 2011 at least 3,192 cases of sexual assault was reported in the US military, and he DoD estimates that in 2010 alone, over 19,000 sexual assaults occurred in the military:

    A culture of coverup: rape in the ranks of the US military




    Prove that Ruskaya Sila claim is true, you intellectual midget. Find any reputable source that corroborates it.

    Typical asinine rant that has NOTHING to do with what I said.

    In Russia, rape victims have even less support than in the US.
    So I really would not go in that direction if I were you.

    LOL got a tryhard an a internet badass heated, looks like your usual micro-penis measurement, this is the same guy who clutches your you nano-meter thin straws for every claim you make, and rarely post actual sources. Claims like the Russian military mismanaged more money than the US military which mismanaged 8 trillion, yet you never provided a single shred of evidence that they mismanaged more.

    The evidence for widespread and hushed rape cases in US military circles was already provided, so the story is believable enough, you would actually know that if you had any reading comprehension, but seeing how you constantly break the rules on the forum such as = linking to other forums, it's proof enough that you lack basic English literacy.

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