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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:57 am

    Rolling Eyes

    http://russia-insider.com/en/guardian-falsely-reports-east-ukraine-rebel-commander-boasted-murdering-15-pows/5580

    The Guardian Falsely Reports East Ukraine Rebel Commander Boasted of Murdering 15 POWs

    The Guardian relied on reporting by The Kyiv Post which spoke to the rebel commander. The later, however, explains the "confession tape" Kyiv Post released was a tampered recording of the actual interview in which he said that according to Ukraine propaganda he has killed 15 POWs

    Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:56 am

    angry angry angry angry angry

    http://en.hunternews.ru/?p=921

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    Post  arpakola Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:19 am



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    http://russia-insider.com/en/wagenknecht-eu-policy-has-destroyed-ukraine-and-damaged-europe/5516
    This article originally appeared at Sahra Wagenknecht Blog. It was translated by Tom Winter at the Fort Russ blog.

    Mr President, honored ladies and gentlemen, Frau Chancellor.

    At your best times, German foreign policy had two priorities: Unity for Europe and a good neighbor policy with Russia. It should give you food for thought, Frau Merkel, if you would listen,

    [Volker Kauder: That’s rude!]

    that nationalism and strife in Europe, during your ten years in office, are thriving like never before, and as regards Russia, a policy of outreach has given way to a new Cold War.

    [Applause from the Left]

    Not long ago, the head of the influential think-tank Stratfor, with striking bluntness, explained the US interest in Europe: The chief interest of the United States is to prevent coordination between Germany and Russia, since, literally “united they are the only power that can threaten us,” i.e. threaten the US.

    This perceived threat to US interests has been achieved successfully for the foreseeable future. That started as the EU tried to get countries out of their economic and political cooperation with Russia in the framework of the Eastern Partnership.

    [Claudia Roth, Greens: That’s absurd!]

    Frau Merkel, naturally this was aimed at Russia, but it was also contrary to the interests of the countries involved. You, not Russia, pushed them to the either-or.

    [Applause from the Left]

    Resultantly Ukraine has lost the great part of its industry. Today, the country is a bankrupt state, where people go hungry, shiver, and have salaries lower than people have in Ghana.

    But the confrontation with Russia has not only destroyed Ukraine, it has damaged all of Europe. It is, in fact, an open secret that the United States is stirring the conflict with Russia on economic grounds. When the US administration talks about Human Rights, they’re actually meaning drilling rights or mining rights. Right now in Ukraine there is in view a hell of a lot of shale gas to frack.

    [Applause from the Left]

    If now, in the framework of the Energy Union of other pipeline routes, we’re talking increasing independence from Russian gas, then you should tell the people in honesty what that means: increasing dependence on much more expensive and ecologically devastating US fracked gas. I do not consider that a responsible view.

    [Applause from the Left]

    The list is long, Frau Merkel, of earlier chief politicians who criticise your Russia policy. In that list we find the names of your predecessors Gerhard Schroeder, Helmut Kohl, Helmut Schmidt, and even Hans-Dietrich Genscher. Perhaps this is what led to your backing off. In any case, it is correct, that you, with French President Hollande, took the initiative: Minsk II has really led to significantly fewer deaths there in recent weeks than in the weeks and months preceding; the door to a peaceful solution has been opened.

    [Applause from the Left]

    This is naturally an important new situation, and you, Frau Bundeskanzlerin, and the French President deserve recognition.

    [Tino Sorge, CDU/CSU: Then say so from time to time!]

    However, the person that the peace and security in Europe depend on must now go forward, with follow-through, and with backbone. This is naturally a problem, since follow-through and backbone haven’t exactly been your strong suit.

    [Applause from the Left; grumblings from CDU/CSU]

    Of course, it is not acceptable, when the shooting persists from the ranks of the insurgents,

    [Tino Sorge: Not acceptable!]

    but when Ukrainian troops — or the Nazi battalions fighting for them -- keep right on shooting, then it is quite less unacceptable, and no critical word from you is heard.

    [Applause from the Left]

    Why do you not come forward with words of censure when the Ukrainian regime, notwithstanding its foreseeable bankruptcy, budgets four times as much for arms as it did last year? This doesn’t assure us that the road to peace has any actual support in the Ukrainian regime!

    Furthermore, the US and Britain sending military advisors and delivering weapons is not a matter of supporting the peace process, but of torpedoing it. But do you now envision sanctions against the US and Britain? I believe that this whole business of sanctions was a huge mistake through which Europe shot itself in the foot. The sanctions should not be extended.

    [Applause from the Left]

    We do not need any more tanks. We do not need a 3,000-man NATO intervention troop in Eastern Europe, that protects nobody, but instead puts all Europe further at risk.

    [Applause from the Left]

    Helmut Schmidt got it right when he warned already in 2007, that, when it comes to world peace, there is far less risk from Russia than from America, and that NATO is only a tool for maintaining US/American hegemony. And if that is correct, then we are left with one set conclusion: that Europe must finally make policy separate from, and independent of, the United States.

    [Applause from the Left]

    Mr Juncker has put forward the thesis, that we need a European Army to show that we are in earnest about defending European values against Russia. This shows just one thing, how very far we have come from what the founding fathers of European Union wanted.

    [Applause from the Left]

    Back then it was all about — as you yourself have often said — peace, democracy, and solidarity. Never again should nationalism and hatred separate the lands of Europe. But to defend these values, no armed battalions are needed!

    If you want to defend democracy, Frau Merkel, then see to it that the lands of Europe are at last ruled by elected governments rather than financial markets, not by the one-time investment banker Mario Draghi, and, further, not by you.

    [Applause from the left; interjection from Michael Grosse-Bromer: Disassociate yourself from the violence right now. That would be a big step!]

    If you want democracy, then stop the so-called Free Trade Agreements, stop the TTIP that would make elected governments just a farce

    [Applause from the Left]

    That would be the defending of European values! That would be a defence of democracy, exposing these unspeakable TTIP negotiations and comparable dealings.

    If you want to see a unified Europe, then stop humiliating other countries and imposing programs that rob the young generations of their future

    [Manuel Sarrazin, Greens, “You’re right with Greece!”]

    Stop prescribing so-called structural reforms in Europe, that only lead to growing inequality and an ever growing low-wage sector. Here in Germany meanwhile, in consequence of these policies, three million people, in spite of having a job, are so poor they can’t stay warm, haven’t enough to eat — let alone afford going on a vacation! Instead of trying to explain this export-bashing policy, it is high time — and very much in Europe’s interest — to correct it. And it is not least the German wage-dumping that is stifling the other countries of the monetary union.

    [Applause from the Left]

    Finance Minister Schaeuble has recently instructed the Greek government: “Yeah, governing is always just a rendezvous with reality.”

    [Michael Grosse-Broemer (CDU/CSU): Right! Max Straubinger (CDU/CSU): And so it is!]

    So one can only say “That would be good” well, that would be a good thing when the German government could only experience its own rendezvous with reality. Because it was not Syriza, but instead, the sister parties to the CDU/CSU and SPD that over the decades stacked up the huge deficits, so that they and the upper crust could stuff their pockets.

    [Applause from the Left]

    The reality is also that under the protectorate of the troika that you still treasure so much, whose criminal activities you can see in the documentary by Harald Schuman, the Greek debt just got bigger and the Greek billionaires got richer.

    And you want to keep it up? Then I can only say "Good night!"

    And if you want our money back, get it from those that took it, and that was not the nurses, nor the Greeks on pensions: it was the international banks and the Greek Upper Crust. It's from these you could help the Greek government recover its money.

    Who advances credit to one already overloaded with debt will never see his money again, but the responsibility is on you, Frau Merkel, and you, Mr. Schaeuble, and not on the new Greek government which is now hardly two months in office.

    As for the whole debate over possible reparations, I can only say that, no matter how the question gets juridically evaluated, the least one should expect from the German State is some minimum of sensibility in dealing with the issue.

    [Applause, Left; laughter, CDU/CSU]

    I must say, you still laugh. That is sad. In view of how German occupiers ravaged Greece, and that a million Greek men and women lost their lives in this dark chapter of German history, I find the flip remarks from you, Mr. Schaeuble, and from you, Mr. Kauder, simply disrespectful, and I am ashamed.

    [Applause from the Left as well as from Juergen Tritten, cries from CDU/CSU: Oh!]

    In order to recall that the unrolling of history also goes the other way, may I, in closing, quote from the speech of Richard von Weizsaecker on the occasion of the 40th anniversary of the Liberation — I am just finishing, Mr. President — the speech concerned principally Russia and Eastern Europe, but it naturally also holds good for Greece:

    “When we think about what our eastern neighbors had to suffer during the war, we understand better that balance, easing up, and a peaceful neighborhood with these lands abide as the central given of German foreign policy. What matters, is that both sides remember, and that both sides have respect for the other.”

    Yes, only when we remember, and only when we respect each other -- only then will we get back a policy of being good neighbors, both inside the EU, and with Russia.

    [Sustained applause from the Left]


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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:35 am

    mack8 wrote:I truly hope some of the real russian patriots (you know, the 90% of which you are not part of) will find out who you are and send you back to your beloved US in a wheelchair next time you set foot in Russia.

    So let me get this straight... TR-1 does not believe the same things you believe so you wish him physical harm...

    I am very disappointed... this sort of "my dad can beat up your dad" crap is beneath you.

    How about we all just show a bit of maturity and quit the insults and offensive language.

    Btw the "proof" you are waving about - or more accurately, the narrative you want to sell around this "proof"- is utterly irrelevant, there would be enough 5th column Tolkachevs inside Russia promoting anti-russian propaganda and serving their US patrons, just like on the forums such as this.

    Paranoid much? Just because someone does not believe everything coming from Moscow does not make them a traitor... just like an American who thinks their might be more to the real story than what they are getting from CNN and Faux News is not a traitor to the US.

    F*** traitours in US service, wherever and whoever they are.

    Sounds like you want to form a lynch mob. cry
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    Post  arpakola Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:39 am

    Confirmed by Kiev: Right Sector Launches Offensive against DPR
    http://russia-insider.com/en/confirmed-kiev-right-sector-launches-offensive-against-dpr/5563

    Goodbye, Minsk II ! Via OSCE:

    Both the Ukrainian Armed Forces representative and the Russian Federation representative to the Joint Centre for Control and Co-ordination (JCCC) told the SMM that the Ukrainian side (assessed to be the Right Sector volunteer battalion) earlier had made an offensive push through the line of contact towards Zhabunki (“DPR”-controlled, 14km west-north-west of Donetsk), but the SMM was not able to verify this.

    The SMM observed that an intensive armed clash was underway with the use of tanks, heavy artillery, automatic grenade launchers, mortars, heavy machine-guns, and small arms and light weapons (SALW). From its arrival at 9.35 to 15:00hrs, the SMM observed and recorded 1,166 explosions, caused mainly by artillery and mortar shell strikes. The SMM assessed that weapons with a calibre larger than 100mm were used by both sides during the fighting.  
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    Post  arpakola Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:19 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:angry angry angry angry angry

    http://en.hunternews.ru/?p=921

    Video:Thugs Destroy Soviet Statues in Ukraine as Police Watched On

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    back to HOMO erectus era..




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    Post  mack8 Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:08 pm

    So what is the situation in Novorussia? I was reading that as of yesterday armed clashes intensified, and also about clashes (intentional or not) between the "regular" ukrainian troops and neo-fascist militias.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:21 am

    mack8 wrote:So what is the situation in Novorussia? I was reading that as of yesterday armed clashes intensified, and also about clashes (intentional or not) between the "regular" ukrainian troops and neo-fascist militias.

    They infiltrated temporarily in 2 places ,but were kicked back.
    and with casualties on the ukie side.. no territory lost for Donetsk or Lugansk..
    Ukie attacks failed.






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    Post  sepheronx Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:27 am

    Former Ukrainian MP Assassinated in Kiev
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:39 am

    sepheronx wrote:Former Ukrainian MP Assassinated in Kiev

    Surprised no one declared it a suicide yet? Strange. Of course the same people whining about Nemtsov will be reluctant to mention all the Party of Regions members being assassinated...
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:51 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Former Ukrainian MP Assassinated in Kiev

    Surprised no one declared it a suicide yet? Strange. Of course the same people whining about Nemtsov will be reluctant to mention all the Party of Regions members being assassinated...

    I wonder if there will be a demand for international investigation into the matter?  Or calling for thorough investigation into the matter.....

    Russian government should do this with quotes from Putin and Medvedev on how they knew the guy and all and how sad this matter is and how there should be an international investigation and so on.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:40 am

    Official aide to Kolomoysky, 'Borys Filatov' gloating about Oleg Kalashnikov's murder:

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    Post  kvs Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:19 am

    Just to put some context around these maggots. Poroshenko was a Party of Regions insider not so long ago.
    So any POS that invokes membership in that party as some automatic justification needs to have their cranium
    ventilated.

    Also, the Party of Regions was a legitimate, democratic party that got support from 50% of the people of Ukraine.
    All these Rightzoid storm trooper wannabes never got more than 7% support.
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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:38 am

    sepheronx wrote:Former Ukrainian MP Assassinated in Kiev

    Off Topic Off Topic  a bit, his family name is Kalashnikov What a Face What a Face

    By the way

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150415/1020931839.html

    As Russian President Vladimir Putin prepares to field questions from around Russia and beyond on Thursday, at his next large Q&A conference, we take a look at some of his most interesting and witty answers from his previous hotlines.

    To a question on geopolitical relations with Europe:

    “It’s difficult to talk to people who whisper even at home, afraid of Americans eavesdropping on them. It’s not a figure of speech, not a joke, I’m serious.” Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    To a question on why the US can do whatever it wants and no one punishes them, while attempts are being made to punish Russia:

    “The US is certainly one of the world’s leaders. At some point it seemed that it was the only leader and a unipolar system was in place. Today it appears that is not the case. Everything in the world is interdependent and once you try to punish someone, in the end you will cut off your nose to spite your face." respekt
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    Post  cracker Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:27 pm

    these pathetic pieces of shit.... just... all in one picture: nazi+US+fake state "ukraine".

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:01 pm

    Putin: Russia gives Ukraine energy discounts to help it exit crisis
    WHY. THE. FUCK.
    My jaw literally dropped. Why would you try to assist an utterly hostile country whose politicians call for the genocide of the russian ethnicity and pompously slander Russia at every oppurtunity on the international arena??????

    putin wrote:“Currently, Russia doesn’t expect anything from the Kiev government except one thing- to treat us as equal partners in all areas of cooperation,”
    Was putin living in a parallel universe 2 years in past when he said this today? What cooperation? What "equal partners"??? Isn't it common knowledge that the ukraine completely severed all economic cooperation already to it's own detriment(not that it matters to the neoliberal nazi rada apes) ?

    Every single time since the putch all attemps negotiating with this galician shithole on equal terms resulted in complete lack of abhering to any agreement with the full support of the western empire to boot.

    putin wrote:“We want to see Ukraine emerge from crisis, because they are our neighbors and partners, and it is in our interest to have peace on our borders, to be able to develop economic ties with a prosperous partner,”

    To accomplish the desires procliamed by putin here can only happen if the current ukraine government is deposed. By lending a helping hand putin is actually prolonging it's existence, therefore prolonging the suffering of his fellow russians.

    As much as it's commendable to try to act diplomatically and in a cultured way towards russia's western enemies it won't matter since they only understand their own language: ruthlessly doublecrossing, making threats, demands, and violence under the viel of multidecade brainwashing of the public opinion and complete ownership of all major media.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:25 pm

    My only guess is they just want money even if they get less of it, as some is better than none. But I agree, they should not be extending their hands out to these mongrels. I imagine Putins popularity will plummet if he decides to turn the other cheek continuously when being slapped hard multiple times. Ukraine clearly stated they hate Russia, so why bother helping them? Let them sort their own mess out and let them find cheaper gas elsewhere. During this Q/A, I would have asked: "why help a nation openly hostile against Russia and Russians, and whom have an agenda to work against you? See what he would say (probably something like: well, the people need help and blah blah blah".

    I am losing a lot of respect for the guy. I imagine the whole "peaceful" image he is trying to portray may help with his popularity temporarly, but that wont last. People within the country (if smart) would see that they are being threatened and surrounded regardless what Russia does, may see Putin as weak and incompetent, and he will be in trouble. Because if Kyrgystan falls due to these charades, that is another major hit, and Russias southern flank will be even more problematic, and they lose out economically too. Look what has happened with EU! They are under US control and has been pressured to sanction Russia. Now what about nearly every country friendly towards Russia now, has same thing happen to them? Russia would be left by itself cause they didnt provide assistance when needed and didnt condemn or cut off the countries who need them but biting them. Giving cheap gas is just aiding these monsters.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:34 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Putin: Russia gives Ukraine energy discounts to help it exit crisis
    WHY. THE. FUCK.
    My jaw literally dropped. Why would you try to assist an utterly hostile country whose politicians call for the genocide of the russian ethnicity and pompously slander Russia at every oppurtunity on the international arena??????

    putin wrote:“Currently, Russia doesn’t expect anything from the Kiev government except one thing- to treat us as equal partners in all areas of cooperation,”
    Was putin living in a parallel universe 2 years in past when he said this today? What cooperation? What "equal partners"??? Isn't it common knowledge that the ukraine completely severed all economic cooperation already to it's own detriment(not that it matters to the neoliberal nazi rada apes) ?

    Every single time since the putch all attemps negotiating with this galician shithole on equal terms resulted in  complete lack of abhering to any agreement with the full support of the western empire to boot.

    putin wrote:“We want to see Ukraine emerge from crisis, because they are our neighbors and partners, and it is in our interest to have peace on our borders, to be able to develop economic ties with a prosperous partner,”

    To accomplish the desires procliamed by putin here can only happen if the current ukraine government is deposed. By lending a helping hand putin is actually prolonging it's existence, therefore prolonging the suffering of his fellow russians.

    As much as it's commendable to try to act diplomatically and in a cultured way towards russia's western enemies it won't matter since they only understand their own language: ruthlessly doublecrossing, making threats, demands, and violence under the viel of multidecade brainwashing of the public opinion and  complete ownership of all major media.


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    Post  sepheronx Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:49 pm

    I hope your right hannible. Ukraine government is snuffing off opposition though so they may ride this out for forever as long as they can get away with this. 3 critics of Poroshenko dead in one week. All three were politicians.
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    Post  Teshub Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:51 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:My jaw literally dropped. Why would you try to assist an utterly hostile country whose politicians call for the genocide of the russian ethnicity and pompously slander Russia at every oppurtunity on the international arena??????
    I'd imagine he's not doing it to support the coup government, but rather demonstrate to the general population of Ukraine that he's a reasonable man. There might also be an aspect of blackmail from Kiev threatening to completely sever all electricity and water from Crimea, leading to what would be a humanitarian and political nightmare.

    To accomplish the desires procliamed by putin here can only happen if the current ukraine government is deposed. By lending a helping hand putin is actually prolonging it's existence, therefore prolonging the suffering of his fellow russians.
    Prolonging the suffering under the current regime will only drive more Ukrainians to openly rebel. Either they finally get fed up and cast out Poroshenko... or they will be honestly grateful if the worst happens and Russia needs to send in direct military aid. Russia cannot set foot into Ukraine without popular local support.

    Believe me, with the way things are going with the repression of free speech, collapsing economy, military looting, 'encouraged' Stasi reporting and open assassinations, the last thing the average Ukrainian will be thinking about is why Putin didn't cut off the gas. They'll be desperate for any saviour.
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    Post  Alex555 Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:20 pm

    Ukrainian journalist, writer and TV host Oles Buzina was killed by two masked gunmen in Kiev

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150416/1020966780.html
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    Post  kvs Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:16 pm

    Alex555 wrote:Ukrainian journalist, writer and TV host Oles Buzina was killed by two masked gunmen in Kiev

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150416/1020966780.html

    I am sure the NATO media will try to pin the blame on Putin. Since the warm and cuddly, freedom-and-democracy-loving Kiev regime
    couldn't have done it.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:23 am

    Teshub wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:My jaw literally dropped. Why would you try to assist an utterly hostile country whose politicians call for the genocide of the russian ethnicity and pompously slander Russia at every oppurtunity on the international arena??????
    I'd imagine he's not doing it to support the coup government, but rather demonstrate to the general population of Ukraine that he's a reasonable man. There might also be an aspect of blackmail from Kiev threatening to completely sever all electricity and water from Crimea, leading to what would be a humanitarian and political nightmare.

    To accomplish the desires procliamed by putin here can only happen if the current ukraine government is deposed. By lending a helping hand putin is actually prolonging it's existence, therefore prolonging the suffering of his fellow russians.
    Prolonging the suffering under the current regime will only drive more Ukrainians to openly rebel. Either they finally get fed up and cast out Poroshenko... or they will be honestly grateful if the worst happens and Russia needs to send in direct military aid. Russia cannot set foot into Ukraine without popular local support.

    Believe me, with the way things are going with the repression of free speech, collapsing economy, military looting, 'encouraged' Stasi reporting and open assassinations, the last thing the average Ukrainian will be thinking about is why Putin didn't cut off the gas. They'll be desperate for any saviour.

    I think that is exactly the ploy. Keep playing fair and reasonable, while working quietly behind the scenes to bolster the nascent Novorossiya and secure it against the Ukrop-dominated sections of the Ukr military. As Ukr economy and living standards plummet to the level of Niger or Chad, sit back and watch the Kiev regime and its US/EU backers take the heat. Porkshank will loose his remaining support (as Yatsenyuk already is) and that may well trigger outright in-fighting within the regime between the EU-philes and the neo-fascist elements as they scramble to dominate the political system. Either way, the average Ukrainian who doesn't kiss their Bandera shrine on the way out of the front door in the morning will quickly tire of these losers and their retrograde regressive agenda, and look for alternatives.
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    Post  onwiththewar Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:40 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Putin: Russia gives Ukraine energy discounts to help it exit crisis
    WHY. THE. FUCK.
    My jaw literally dropped. Why would you try to assist an utterly hostile country whose politicians call for the genocide of the russian ethnicity and pompously slander Russia at every oppurtunity on the international arena??????

    putin wrote:“Currently, Russia doesn’t expect anything from the Kiev government except one thing- to treat us as equal partners in all areas of cooperation,”
    Was putin living in a parallel universe 2 years in past when he said this today? What cooperation? What "equal partners"??? Isn't it common knowledge that the ukraine completely severed all economic cooperation already to it's own detriment(not that it matters to the neoliberal nazi rada apes) ?

    Every single time since the putch all attemps negotiating with this galician shithole on equal terms resulted in  complete lack of abhering to any agreement with the full support of the western empire to boot.

    putin wrote:“We want to see Ukraine emerge from crisis, because they are our neighbors and partners, and it is in our interest to have peace on our borders, to be able to develop economic ties with a prosperous partner,”

    To accomplish the desires procliamed by putin here can only happen if the current ukraine government is deposed. By lending a helping hand putin is actually prolonging it's existence, therefore prolonging the suffering of his fellow russians.

    As much as it's commendable to try to act diplomatically and in a cultured way towards russia's western enemies it won't matter since they only understand their own language: ruthlessly doublecrossing, making threats, demands, and violence under the viel of multidecade brainwashing of the public opinion and  complete ownership of all major media.

    I got a feeling something is being prepared ATM. And Putin is buying time.

    Last time when UAF provoked at the airport, Novorossiya responded very swiftly and took Debaltseve. This happened while the 1st Minsk agreement was in effect, so if Novorossiya want to fight (after Russia's approval I presume), the agreement is really nothing to stop them.

    This time though, it's quite different. UAF's provokation is bigger than last time, and Novorossiya seems to just put up with it. On the front lines there are like 5 - 6 areas where some big battle took place and Novorossiya doesn't seem to even consider a counter offensive. Zakharchenko is also very quiet lately. Remember last time Zakharchenko put up a little show when he poked this Ukie officer in the chest and then the all out winter offensive happened 2 - 3 days later?

    But this time everything is quiet. There are more combat footages from the Ukie side now and Novorossiya just upload their training footages. Very strange. As if not only Putin, Novorossiya too are in another dimension.

    My taking is that Novorossiya is not yet ready to move to the next step, which is maybe bigger (or more difficult) than taking Debaltseve.

    Novorossiya has 23,000 soldiers now and 30,000 in the reserve. There are lot of training videos lately so we can assume that there are a lot more training exercises than before, the new comers are relatively under trained and need more time to be combat ready.

    Strelkov called for help a while ago for the spring - summer campaign. Of course that could be nothing, he's also sort of quiet now but as we know, he usually does not hesitate to speak out aloud. There's maybe a real spring - summer which starts late April (as he once predicated).

    Russia is now stable, Rubles are climb back up and Ukraine is continuing on the plunge. Things are good at the moment, so Russia is really not in a hurry. Simply buying time means Russia will recover more and Ukraine will plunge more. Kiev is now killing people randomly in its own city, the war is getting there too. It will only become more chaotic. Soon, the entire Ukraine people will be on their knees.

    It's not like Russia is not doing anything, Putin pretty much killed the idea of Foreign peace keepers, which is very important. Obviously if he has to give Ukraine a little bit of gas discount to show to Europe (in exchange of, say Germany and France getting less involved), I think it's worth it. As we know, Germany and France can't wait to find some excuses to get the hell out of this situation.

    I'm not worried about the US or Canada. Poland probably provided more real military hardware than them. US and Canada are broke, look at what they are doing in Iraq now, they have no cash left to do anything. So they are sending trainers to Ukraine? I literally LMAO when I heard the news, American infantry's only tactic is hiding their ass in the mudd and call for air cover everytime they hear a single gun shot. Their only weapons are their radios and binoculars. When American infantry met resistance in history without their precious air cover, they lose the fight. As we know Ukraine, oops, they have no air power, good luck with their American fighting styles.

    Zakharchenko said a few days ago Mariupol is ours sooner or later, folks I have confidence that he (with Putin's backing of course) delivers.


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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:34 am

    kvs wrote:I am sure the NATO media will try to pin the blame on Putin.  Since the warm and cuddly, freedom-and-democracy-loving Kiev regime couldn't have done it.

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    Porkie has already did  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes

    http://president.gov.ua/en/news/32685.html

    It is evident that these crimes have the same origin. Their nature and political sense are clear. It is a deliberate provocation that plays in favor of our enemies. (Enemy of who ? Your enemy or the people's enemy ? lol1  lol1 ) It is aimed at destabilizing the internal political situation in Ukraine and discrediting the political choice of the Ukrainian people. (Ukie has already been destabilized thank to you people, f*ck it. lol1  lol1 )

    http://112.ua/glavnye-novosti/geraschenko-ne-isklyuchaet-chto-k-ubiystvo-buziny-organizovano-rossiyskimi-specsluzhbaim-221261.html

    "Я не исключаю, что это убийство организовано российскими спецслужбами для создания атмосферы террора в Киеве, для создания в российских СМИ атмосферы истерии с тем, чтобы те люди, которые были против Майдана, против новой власти, по ним ведется такая работа. Поэтому мы думаем, что они могли стать жертвами российских спецслужб", - отметил Геращенко

    "I do not rule out that the murder was organized by Russian special services to create an atmosphere of terror in Kiev, to create an atmosphere in the Russian media hysteria, so that those people who were against Maidana, against the new government, according to him, such work is carried out. Therefore, we think that they could become victims of the Russian special services "- said Gerashchenko. lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1

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