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    Post  JohninMK Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:23 pm

    From a few days ago

    Henry Schlottman
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    Update as of 04FEB 1800UTC: ~21 Russian BTGs in #Belarus (+3 from 02FEB). Changes: ~2 BTGs 127th MRD poss entering Belarus via Bryansk area. ~2 VDV BTGs obs on rail IVO Minsk. BLR 120th Mech ex @ Borisov TA. Brest + 1 BTG (based on Janes rpt). 9 to 11 BTGs Belarus/#Ukraine border


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    Post  George1 Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:14 am

    Joint patrolling of the state border by the Su-30SM crews of Russia and Belarus

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    Post  George1 Thu Feb 17, 2022 5:00 pm

    Belarus may host Russia’s S-400 air defense systems near Minsk, Lukashenko says

    https://tass.com/defense/1405189

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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:25 pm

    Putin allowed the possibility of training crews of Belarusian aircraft converted for the use of ammunition with a "special warhead".

    Lukashenko main statements in Minsk: 
    Today, the S-400 and Iskander, which were transferred by Russia, have been put on combat duty in Belarus.
    In a difficult moment, Putin did not refuse [to help]
    Russia can do without us, but we can't do without it.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:12 pm

    From what I read in prior press releases this is likely MiG-29 aircraft modified for the nuclear attack role.
    In Soviet times Belarus used to have nuclear strike capable MiG-29 aircraft.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:54 am

    If by any chance negotiations are started on the withdrawal of all foreign based tactical nukes with the US, then Russia shall need a lot of Iskander Ms deployed all over the Belarusian territory to balance the ones spread out in Europe (Türkiye included).
    If in the long term a deal is reached involving the US and Europe, then those Iskanders will have to be deprived of their tactical nuclear warheads but the missiles with conventional payloads will remain, along with the Russian military staff needed to handle them, thereby reassuring Belarusian security concerns and guarantees.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:02 pm

    No, you are not getting it.

    US nukes should not be on territory that is not US soil.

    The nuclear non proliferation treaty should prevent them from basing their nukes on any territory that is not theirs... US nukes in Europe is the same as Soviet or Russian nukes in Mexico or Cuba or Venezuela... equating US nukes in Europe to Russian nukes in Europe puts Russia at a disadvantage.

    Even if the US withdraws its nukes from the European countries it has them stored in, at the moment Russia is not obliged to remove nuclear armed missiles from its own territory on the border with Finland or in Kaliningrad... places they are allowed to place their nukes if they wish.

    Russia putting its nukes in Belarus seems to have upset them, but US nukes in Europe are fine.

    Ironically the speed of Zircon means nukes on them will actually reach most places in Europe faster than US nukes in Turkey could arrive in Russia... there is no reason it couldn't carry several small nuke warheads and release them on its flight path to primary targets deep in Europe.

    Western nukes have been in Europe for a long time, this movement of nukes to Belarus is because the US wants to contaminate the Ukraine with uranium ammo.

    Germany should understand... they recognised the danger of the material and designed and made a new 120mm gun with a longer barrel so they could use Tungsten rounds instead of DU. They replaced the L44 120mm smoothbore with a L55 gun so their Tungsten rounds achieve the same performance as the DU round from an L44 gun does.

    But no doubt those pussy bitches will remain quiet while the big countries talk.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:33 pm

    Countries like Poland were threatening to invade Belarus. You also had several US "think tanks" write reports on invading Belarus if Russia invaded Ukraine as a symmetrical respose. That is the reason for the deployment of Russian nuclear weapons in Belarus.

    Lukashenko asked for the nuclear umbrella even before the UK announced they were going to send DU tank shells to Ukraine. So while the DU shells are being used as an excuse now, it isn't the main reason for the nuke deployment.

    One of the issues with deployment using the Iskander is that it reduces the response time compared with the gravity bombs the US stores in Europe. The gravity bombs have to be deployed by comparatively slow and visible fighter bombers. So in that regard if they deploy the Iskander or Kinzhal it is a bit of an escalation.

    The Soviets and the US agreed that if the Soviets removed the nuclear weapons in Cuba that the US would remove the Pershing missile in Turkey.
    This was because having IRBMs close to each country reduced the response time and increased the chances of escalation and global nuclear annihilation.

    But now the US is selling the countries in Europe with nuclear weapons air launched cruise missiles, and is planning to install the Dark Eagle hypersonic launch vehicle in Germany and likely Japan. So I think what Russia is doing is just par for the course. And Russia might deploy the Kinzhal or land based nuclear tipped cruise missiles to Cuba, Nicaragua, or Venezuela.

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    Post  Kiko Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:20 am

    Anyway, the debate is on, gentlemen. Hope we reach a common denominator:

    Aggression against Belarus will meet a tough response from Moscow, by Oleg Isaichenko for VZGLYAD. 04.11.2023.

    The summit with the participation of Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko has developed - Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu has arrived in Minsk. During the talks, the Belarusian leader said: Belarus needs guarantees from Russia to protect the republic as its own territory. What is meant by this request, and what practical expression can it be given?

    Minsk needs guarantees of protection from Moscow as its own territory in case of external aggression. Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko stated this on Monday during a meeting with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. According to him, such a request was made at the talks in Moscow with President Vladimir Putin.

    “Parting up after the last talks with Vladimir Vladimirovich, we agreed that you and the experts would come to Belarus, and we would sit down with you and discuss security issues. You know, I have already raised this issue at the VGS. But before that, we discussed this with Vladimir Vladimirovich,” Lukashenko said.

    “In general, it sounded at the talks in such a way that in case of aggression against Belarus, the Russian Federation defends Belarus as its own territory. These are the kind of security guarantees we need,” the President of the Republic of Belarus said. “We need full security guarantees from our fraternal Russia.”

    He stated that Western countries are not fulfilling the agreements on security guarantees that were given under the Budapest Memorandum in exchange for the withdrawal of nuclear weapons. “Somewhere after 1994, the famous Budapest Memorandum, where all Western powers and Russia swore to provide complete security to Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Belarus. Naturally, you know that Western states have trampled on all these treaties, agreements and statements, and there is no security,” BelTA quotes Lukashenko as saying.

    But this meant, among other things, economic security, he added. “Well, what kind of economic security if they impose sanctions against us, Russia?! - said the Belarusian leader. - Therefore, I raised this issue at the talks with the President of Russia. He was absolutely supportive in every way. And, he says, we need to revise all our treaties and agreements, see what normative legal act of an interstate nature should be adopted now in order to ensure the complete security of Belarus.”

    Another topic that Alexander Lukashenko discussed with Sergei Shoigu concerns combat training and coordination of the joint allied group, which also includes Russian military personnel stationed on the territory of union Belarus. “I am grateful to you that despite all the difficulties, you are keeping several thousand Russian servicemen here,” Lukashenko stressed.

    “We, as much as necessary, have joined this process and are training these guys together with your officers, we are conducting combat coordination. We cook the right way. Because we shouldn't relax here. You see that the Poles and Lithuanians have begun to move in our direction. Therefore, this is such a good support and support for the Belarusian army, which protects the Union State on the western flank,” the president of the republic said.

    In turn, Sergei Shoigu confirmed that he arrived as a result of the presidents' agreements. According to him, at present, “five training grounds have been provided for the Russian Armed Forces on the territory of Belarus, they are equipped and equipped.” He emphasized that one of the key topics of the meeting was the combat training and coordination of the units of the joint grouping.

    “Moreover, a sufficient number of instructors are involved - officers of the Belarusian armed forces to train, among other things, our replenishment. Indeed, there is quite a large group. And, of course, today we will consider all the issues of her further stay, and preparation, and, probably, expanding the scope that you discussed together with Vladimir Vladimirovich,” the minister said.

    According to experts, the meeting between Shoigu and Lukashenko was a logical development of the agreements that were reached between the presidents of Russia and Belarus following negotiations last week, when Lukashenko arrived in Moscow to attend a meeting of the Supreme State Council of the Union State.

    “In the military doctrine of the Union State (SG), adopted in 2021, there are separate provisions that in the event of aggression, one side will defend the territory of the other as its own. Later, for this, a regional grouping of troops, an air defense system was created, exercises "West" and "Shield of the Union" are being held. We have practically formed a common defense space. However, Lukashenko's statement is addressed to the US and NATO public. The President warns the West against aggression,” Belarusian expert Alexander Alesin believes.

    “In the military sphere, probably, Lukashenko and Shoigu discussed not only the production of microelectronics, but also the supply to Russia of Belarusian electronic warfare systems, the Polonez multiple launch rocket system and anti-tank drones that can hit the upper hemisphere of tanks. The latter is especially important against the backdrop of deliveries of Western tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” he stressed.

    “I would like to note separately that the mutual economic guarantees of Moscow and Minsk are also spelled out in the road maps of the Union State and agreements on common markets. Lukashenka, in his statements today, also had in mind the use of the ruble as an alternative to creating a common currency. This will be a weighty guarantee of the economic stability of Belarus. As well as mutual access to the financial systems of both countries,” the analyst said.

    Experts also drew attention to the fact that cooperation between Russia and Belarus within the framework of the SG is much superior to the formats of cooperation that are provided for by the system of agreements within the framework of the CSTO. At the same time, the CSTO structure itself and some of its member countries showed themselves extremely ambiguously during the NWO period, especially if we take into account the peak confrontation between Russia and the West.

    “In this regard, the question arises: can we develop military cooperation within the CSTO to the level of the Union State? It seems to me that under the current authorities of the Central Asian countries this is impossible - they are maneuvering between Russia and the West and will not join anyone. Perhaps in the future something will change, but it's too early to talk about it. In the meantime, we need to deal with the defense of the Union State,” the political scientist said.

    “Now the Union State is protected by a regional grouping of troops. As reported at the end of last year, no more than 10,000 Russian military personnel will be included. Apparently, Lukashenka considers such a number of troops insufficient, even taking into account the upcoming deployment of tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of the republic. And this is what he wants to change,” said Stanislav Tkachenko, professor at the Department of European Studies at the Faculty of International Relations of St Petersburg University, an expert at the Valdai Club.

    “Roughly speaking, in the event of aggression by Ukraine, Poland or Lithuania against Belarus, Minsk will turn to Moscow with a request to provide additional forces. Therefore, I admit that under the security guarantees voiced today, Lukashenka means the creation of a single military command and a decision-making center. Minsk, given its assistance to Russia in the NMD, wants more prompt and direct participation of Russia in the event of aggression against Belarus,” the analyst concluded.

    https://vz.ru/world/2023/4/11/1206949.html
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    Post  George1 Thu May 25, 2023 3:58 am

    Minsk, Moscow sign documents on storage of Russian nuclear weapons in Belarus

    https://tass.com/defense/1622695

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    Post  Hole Sun May 28, 2023 3:13 pm

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    S-400 arriving in Belarus.

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