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    Post  LMFS Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:55 pm

    nomadski wrote:I think it a positive step for Ukraine to get Nukes . They will then not fear any attack , and no reason to join NATO . And if they start ethnic cleansing , then this could escalate to Nuke war ! Therefore no ethnic cleansing either . India / Pakistan , case in point . Ethnic tension translates into symbolic artillery exchange , then they both sit in their pants and are careful with their politics !

    https://sputniknews.com/20220220/going-nuclear-would-be-ukraines-quickest-path-to-pariah-state-status-but-can-kiev-actually-do-it-1093213612.html

    That must be one of the most fucked up thought processes I have seen for a long while... give nukes to the nazis and so they will finally behave, should ISIS receive some too? pale

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:04 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    nomadski wrote:I think it a positive step for Ukraine to get Nukes . They will then not fear any attack , and no reason to join NATO . And if they start ethnic cleansing , then this could escalate to Nuke war ! Therefore no ethnic cleansing either . India / Pakistan , case in point . Ethnic tension translates into symbolic artillery exchange , then they both sit in their pants and are careful with their politics !

    https://sputniknews.com/20220220/going-nuclear-would-be-ukraines-quickest-path-to-pariah-state-status-but-can-kiev-actually-do-it-1093213612.html

    That must be one of the most fucked up thought processes I have seen for a long while... give nukes to the nazis and so they will finally behave, should ISIS receive some too? pale

    Yeah it sounds like he was giving himself a lobotomy when he was typing that up lol! lol1

    Had they joined NATO they would of been given nukes anyway through nuclear sharing! Rolling Eyes clown
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    Post  nomadski Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:29 pm

    I am pro - Nuclear weapons for everybody ! The problem in the world is that only some countries have them , and not all . And no , terror groups do not qualify !  But established countries with borders and governments do qualify . Even Nazi orientated ones ! Providing everyone else has them . The problem that Russia has with American Nukes in  Europe is still valid . Since the time to launch is shorter for the Yanks , and to establish Nuclear balance , Russia has to invest money in shorter range and mobile systems . Or station some in South American country !

    So the only hope for humanity survival are Nuclear weapons . Without it , humanity will suffer ever-lasting war and annihilation . So the solution to say Ukraine getting Nukes , is for Iran and Cuba to get Nukes ! Wonderful ! A balance of terror and proliferating paradise . So the solution is not to cry , if Ukraine gets Nukes . The solution is to smile and be happy and arm all nations with Nukes . Let them all live in peace , or collectively burn in Hell . Now , I am not the one , who pickled his brain in a Jam Jar ! You anti-proliferation brigade did .


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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:35 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    nomadski wrote:I think it a positive step for Ukraine to get Nukes . They will then not fear any attack , and no reason to join NATO . And if they start ethnic cleansing , then this could escalate to Nuke war ! Therefore no ethnic cleansing either . India / Pakistan , case in point . Ethnic tension translates into symbolic artillery exchange , then they both sit in their pants and are careful with their politics !

    https://sputniknews.com/20220220/going-nuclear-would-be-ukraines-quickest-path-to-pariah-state-status-but-can-kiev-actually-do-it-1093213612.html

    That must be one of the most fucked up thought processes I have seen for a long while... give nukes to the nazis and so they will finally behave, should ISIS receive some too? pale

    US have them dunno why not nazis ?

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    Post  Urluber Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:47 pm

    Ukraine having nukes is not in touch with reality, of course.

    One of the most principle limiting factors is ability to produce them. It is not as easy as it would seem from reading a wikipedia article. Country like North Korea with old and beaten but still functioning limited industry base struggled decades to build them. And that is with the fact the NK has solid, if not very advanced, education system in place.

    I guess there are still some Soviet engineers living in Ukrainian territory who have required level of know-how on certain areas like physics. But they must be quite old now. If they were in best working age of 40 in 1991, now they are 70 years old.

    Ukraine seems not be able to build a simple small navy boat.

    It's very sad to see what it has become but this is the reality. I always get emotional when I think that this piece of land used to be the place where biggest aircraft in the world were built, as well as ships of scale of aircraft carriers.

    Present day Ukraine saying they are gonna have nukes is like Samoa saying they will build nukes. Not taking anything away from Samoa but the development level just is not there yet.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:01 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Yeah it sounds like he was giving himself a lobotomy when he was typing that up lol! lol1

    Had they joined NATO they would of been given nukes anyway through nuclear sharing! Rolling Eyes clown

    I mean, we all are entitled to having our mental farts sometimes, but it was unfortunate to publish this one.

    Re. sharing, in the end those are always uncle Sam weapons and the responsibility for their use falls squarely on their shoulders, so it is better that way than giving them to rabid banderites foaming at the mouth for a final solution to their Russian problem.

    But we know it was just some more ukie cringe, we can talk about real issues now clown clown clown

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:10 am

    I think it a positive step for Ukraine to get Nukes . They will then not fear any attack , and no reason to join NATO .

    That would be funny... Russia could deliver as many as they want... do they want airburst or ground burst...

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    The US would never allow it anyway.

    During their Sunday phone conversation requested by Paris, the leaders agreed to resume work within the framework of the Normandy format, which consists of French, German, Russian, and Ukrainian leadership. It was also decided that a meeting of the trilateral contact group would be held “in the next few hours” in order to “obtain a commitment from all the stakeholders” to cease fire on the line of contact.

    WTF is the point? If the rebels aren't part of the talks then it is just BS... Ukraine promising whatever and then not doing anything.,, been there and done that.

    Maybe Russia recognising their independence is the only way to force Kiev to start following agreements it is party to.

    And no , terror groups do not qualify !

    For the Ukraines in the east of the country Kiev is a terror group.

    But established countries with borders and governments do qualify . Even Nazi orientated ones ! Providing everyone else has them .

    Your logic does not work in this case, I doubt they could keep control of any nukes they got possession of.

    Half of them would sell them to Saudi Arabia... next time the Houthies attack Saudi oil and Yemen gets nuked?

    Yeah, that sounds like a great solution because the result will be everyone who has them using them because they think their enemies might destroy their nukes in a nuclear attack so it is better to use it than not use it and lose it.

    So the only hope for humanity survival are Nuclear weapons . Without it , humanity will suffer ever-lasting war and annihilation .

    Humanity has survived a period of nuclear monopoly for the west and then gradual shift to nuclear balance and yet small proxy wars continued and flourished.

    Everyone having nukes does not create peace or anything like peace.

    So the solution to say Ukraine getting Nukes , is for Iran and Cuba to get Nukes ! Wonderful ! A balance of terror and proliferating paradise . So the solution is not to cry , if Ukraine gets Nukes .

    You are a shit poker player Bro... if you wanted Nukes just say so... forget bullshit about letting Kiev have any... there is no way the west would allow Kiev to get nukes... what if a pro Russian party took power?

    The key is that nukes are power and the US does not like to share power with anyone... they don't even like the UK and France having nukes except that they are extra and guaranteed on the US side because they are such chimps.

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    Post  nomadski Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:21 am

    GarryB wrote "The US would never allow it anyway ," but nuclear technology is a natural progression for all countries , and can not be stopped . " For the Ukraines in the east of the country Kiev is a terror group , " and so are ethnic tensions existing in other countries , and Nukes there also have a limiting effect on ethnic Genocide . An example of this is India / Pakistan tensions , Nukes there have arguably saved millions of lives .

    " Your logic does not work in this case, I doubt they could keep control of any nukes they got possession of . Half of them would sell them to Saudi Arabia... next time the Houthies attack Saudi oil and Yemen gets nuked? " not if Houthi had them too , in fact I have been thinking for a while that they should get some , to stop millions dying from Bombs and sanctions . It would stop the war .


    " Yeah, that sounds like a great solution because the result will be everyone who has them using them because they think their enemies might destroy their nukes in a nuclear attack so it is better to use it than not use it and lose it. " but the history of nukes is that everyone likes to live , than die . There is no chance of winning in a nuke war , the illusion of victory and survival through conventional war , is shattered . Humanity is freed from war .


    " Humanity has survived a period of nuclear monopoly for the west and then gradual shift to nuclear balance and yet small proxy wars continued and flourished.Everyone having nukes does not create peace or anything like peace. " if by " Humanity " , we mean nuclear powered countries , then yes . But for those without , there has been no survival !

    " You are a shit poker player Bro... if you wanted Nukes just say so... forget bullshit about letting Kiev have any... there is no way the west would allow Kiev to get nukes... what if a pro Russian party took power? " well , I am saying so !  Nukes produce their own dynamics , irrespective of political inclinations of ideology , they keep the peace and allow for human development . Hell ( Nuclear war ) , is an equal opportunity organisation ! What everyone will avoid . Humanity then can put effort into solving environmental and social problems . It may already be too late , but we have to try .

    " The key is that nukes are power and the US does not like to share power with anyone... they don't even like the UK and France having nukes except that they are extra and guaranteed on the US side because they are such chimps. " but nukes do not solve all the problems , only the most important problem of continuous conventional war . Countries then have a chance to improve economy and politics . Without French or British Nukes , these nations would probably not exist today .


    Now , I leave the argument here , since it is about the resistance by LDPR against attacks . Now , they could could get a nuke , much better than 700,000 refugees . Ethnic cleansing !

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    Post  George1 Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:46 am

    LPR head signs decree on voluntary mobilization of men aged over 55

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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:15 am

    GarryB wrote "The US would never allow it anyway ," but nuclear technology is a natural progression for all countries , and can not be stopped .

    Didn't South Africa surrender their nuclear weapons... which means if it is a natural progression it should end with not needing nukes at all in the end.

    For the Ukraines in the east of the country Kiev is a terror group , " and so are ethnic tensions existing in other countries , and Nukes there also have a limiting effect on ethnic Genocide . An example of this is India / Pakistan tensions , Nukes there have arguably saved millions of lives .

    Yeah, because there is only peace and harmony between India and Pakistan... Nukes did diddly squat in that case and most other cases... wars continued and nukes made no difference at all.

    Using nukes is suicide because either the enemy or an ally of the enemy will use them against you if you use them against them... they solve nothing.

    India and Pakistan couldn't use nukes when there were border conflicts... nukes don't prevent wars... they just limit the level those conflicts can escalate to before both sides have to back down to avoid the suicide that is nuclear war.

    not if Houthi had them too , in fact I have been thinking for a while that they should get some , to stop millions dying from Bombs and sanctions . It would stop the war .

    If the houthi had them the US would claim they were going to make backpack bombs and smuggle them in to the west and kill westerners so the west is obliged to use concentrated airpower to find and destroy their nuclear weapon stores... up to and including the use of nuclear weapons of their own.

    It wouldn't create peace, it would be their end because suddenly they are a real threat to the west.

    but the history of nukes is that everyone likes to live , than die . There is no chance of winning in a nuke war , the illusion of victory and survival through conventional war , is shattered . Humanity is freed from war .

    Most Americans think they would win a war... any war... because they are American... the worlds last super power... they control international trade and all the international organisations that are worth anything.

    Most Europeans think they just need to snap their fingers and Russia will collapse and Europe would be victorious... they are deluded.

    In the case of India and Pakistan or Iran and Israel... I am sure there are plenty on both sides that would be happy to start a nuclear conflict just to destroy the other side without caring about the consequences for themselves.

    For nukes to create real peace and stability they have to be used and kill us all... otherwise they are plan z... for when all the other plans fail.

    More frightening for the west it is probably plan C or D.

    if by " Humanity " , we mean nuclear powered countries , then yes . But for those without , there has been no survival !

    By Humanity I mean everyone but those in charge of the west... thinking breathing caring human beings.

    And we have survived... and for an athiest to pinch something from religion... the west is not well and is self diagnosing that Russia is to blame when it isn't so when it focuses on Russia it is not solving any of its actual problems, so they get worse... which means eventually the meek shall inherit the world...

    Nukes produce their own dynamics , irrespective of political inclinations of ideology , they keep the peace and allow for human development . Hell ( Nuclear war ) , is an equal opportunity organisation ! What everyone will avoid . Humanity then can put effort into solving environmental and social problems . It may already be too late , but we have to try .

    For Iran, which unlike many other countries in her position, has delivery means for nuclear warheads, having nuclear weapons would sound rather better than it actually will be.

    Russia and China have nukes, but did that stop HATOs advance and encirclement.... did it stop the coloured revolutions that destroyed countries and lives just to further contain and limit Russia economically and politically.

    Iran having nukes should stop extreme attacks to destroy Iran from the west, but they wont stop the assassinations and interference and the sanctions and the general shitfuckery the west loves playing around at.

    Currently the problems with Russia mean there is a small opportunity where Iran might get to sell some gas to Europe... make them pay good money or tell them to go take a hike.

    . Without French or British Nukes , these nations would probably not exist today .

    Nothing to do with their nukes and more to do with ties and control over former colonies... or in the case of the French current colonies and dependencies...

    Now , I leave the argument here , since it is about the resistance by LDPR against attacks . Now , they could could get a nuke , much better than 700,000 refugees . Ethnic cleansing !

    Putin recognising their independent status would be nuke enough.

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