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    Post  sepheronx Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:56 pm

    par far wrote:
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    par far wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Simplist way to deal with these hostilities towards Russia is not giving tthem the time of day. Close borders with the countries openly hostile to Russia, bar trade with them, and close off embassies or at least limit them to a couple of people. Then move away from their banking standard and simply move towards a more self reliant economy and improve living standards. A nation of people dont need to make 50K a year to live comfortably. As long as they can get a decent roof over their head, decent jobs and a basic goods, then that is already the right step. Open up trade even more with countries who are also facing the pinch because of US (like Iran, Syria, Egypt, Venezuela, etc) and just build yourself up. Let the Ukrainians and baltic countries rot. Force them to pay all Russian goods if they want them in Russias choosing. If they dont want them, then they can go without them. Keep diolague to a minimum and if they want to complain about nothing, openly point out their fallacies and just continue on. Russia benefits from having most known resources and abundant of energy. They just need to increase Russians population and spread out more through the country. There will always be people to trade with. As long as Russia has nukes and continues to improve their offensive abilities, they wont be openly touched. If the borders are controlled and limits to embassies are put into place while banning foreign NGO's who have ties to the embassys, then the chances of people being lead on wont happen.

    Russia must get to Iran first before US does. Russias sit on ass and watch policy wont help.


    Regarding Iran, Russia is not sitting around, the defence minister visited Tehran , along with other top officials and Russia also has lot's of business ties with Iran.

    Wont mean much after sanctions on Iran lifted. Russia should have proven itself a reliable partner and sold the S-300 back then. Hopefully they can acquire contracts now.


    Very true, Russia should have sold S-300 to Iran. I don't think sanctions will be lifted off of Iran because there won't be any deal because I don't think AIPAC will let it happen.

    On other news the British and American are openly admitting that they are training the Fascists in Ukraine.

    They will try to pull any other country working with Russia, away from Russia. Even if some wont be happy, they will want to dismantle Russia first before Iran, even if that means befriending them temporarly.

    Problem with Iranians is like how Hannible said, they are like cucks. They will take the abuse for 30 years and still love America. Makes no sense to me really. Russia didnt enforce the love for them by blocking S-300 deal. And they should have given the helping hand to Iran long before the current mess is happening. Actually, many sees this as Russia simply trying hard after being sanctioned and has no care for Iran. So Iranians will feel used. So Russia is going to have to work with their own people.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:32 pm

    LOL look at the stupefying Baltic state paranoia... lol1

    2 Lithuanian railway stations cordoned off after ‘train with Russian conscripts’ scare
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:01 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    mack8 wrote:
    Firebird wrote:Incredible, a defender of Hitler. On a RUSSIA forum..

    THATS why there are Russians reluctant post.

    I reckon some of these accounts are based in Washington. Some Nuland wannabee saying to scum like Pskanky,
    "How can we smear pro Russia views? I know lets mix pro-Russian and Nazism, then we can compare Russia to Nazism".

    W. T. F.  No

    Who, Vann7? Ignore him, there is  a setting to ignore a user i think. But yeah, one i agree with your suspicion (how can a normal person spend so much time posting, he posts not only here but other places as well, the same half-coherent babble usually involving the "zionists"), and two all replies can be seen by non-members and could leave a wrong image, which is a big pitty.

    Oh and yeah, a big f*** you to any Washington based sock-puppets reading this. Looking forward to the day you'll be made China's b*tch.

    I know man, the white-washing of Hitler's legacy is pure lunacy. It's hard to claim to be Pro-Russian when you don't recognize the sacrifice they made during WW2.

    A common tactic by zionism cheerleaders is to discredit people entire argument ,by just holding
    into one argument. and calling people names.. of Nazis supporters.. bla bla bla.. or anti-semitic.. bla bla bla.   I am Truth Supporter.. regardless of anything. And Germany with or without hitler ,will have been pushed into a war.. with Europe. And this is the Main Argument
    that people fails to see.. They do not want people to keep the attention on the fact that Anglozionist powers with alliance with JEws Neoliberal Elite ,just like they did with germany. are pushing Russia into a war with Europe this time. This is a Fact.. / .

    Im not whitewashing anyone crimes.. You do.. Because you justify Poland ,USA ,Jews ,Britain
    sanctions on Germany and their sabotage to their economy.. The bombing of german civilians like they did in dresden massacre. People who complain and say "i support Hitler" are the same minions who call zionism warcrimes a "conspiracy" and new world order too.. and who whitewash American Government genocide in 9/11 against their own people. and the illegal war they lead against Lybia ,Yugoeslavia , Africa ,Middle east ,Asia ,Latin america. the hundreds of nations they have destroyed.now they busy against Russia in Ukraine and Syria. World wars are things you cannot predict the outcome....Millions died in IRAQ and none of the IMbeciles here calling me a Hitler supporter see anything wrong with that.. With Lybia , with Afganistan.. with their support to Alqaeda and ISIS.. you are the ones whitewashing crimes not me..  For me there was no good Guys-Leaders in world war 2. For morons and retards the US alliance was the saviors of the world. The ones who used an atomic bomb against Japan , and killed millions over year of cancer and radiationand  hundreds of thousands instantly by the two bombs. the same "heroes" who invaded Vietnam based on lies and began the Korean war supporting another dictator. Who are the white washers here? the ones who thinks there were "good leaders" in World war 2.. and they still occupy Germany today 60 years laters or the ones that say that everyone committed war crimes and that it was the west who provoked world war 2 ,not by mistake but by policy.to get Germany into a war with europe?

    It was the same organized International Anglozionist criminal organization , the alliance of US-UK powers and Jewish Mega Elite ,the ones  who provoked world war 1 and world war 2.. and not hitler.. and without them.. Hitler will have never come into power. without the anglozionist
    powers ,world wars will have never happened.. only minor conflicts.

    People with short sight only see the bullets flying and who fire the first bullets..that is the military side of things. but people that see things from a broader perspective see how the politics and economic sanctions played its detonating role ,who mastermind world conflicts and hides their hands on it. how intentionally provoke world conflicts. to create better conditions for their globalist ambitions. . ..


    the west organized ,planned ,intended and provoked not only Hitler to get in power in Germany ,but also for him to start a war on Europe to get back their lands. . and it was Americans the greatest winners in world war 2. and the major profiteers..Rockefellers financed Nazis and Bush families helped Nazis too...For americans ,the big winners ,it worked in the end better than they hoped ,they provoked the war ,were the last to join the war ,when already nazis defeated and everyone nations destroyed and they get the major economic benefits thanks to being the only nation not invaded not destroyed or under any army occupation.  And this same evil forces ,which some here clearly sponsor by downplaying zionism and neocons are the ones provoking world war 3 with Russia. Provoking Russia to invade Ukraine ,and with its military fight back.. after such the criminal aggression on their nation with what they doing in Ukraine.  This same Anglozionist forces provoked Japan to enter the war..in world war 2.  it was not Pearl harbor when the war began for japan.. but US criminal economic warfare and isolation of their nation on the pacific.
    Economic warfare ,blocking food and a nation economy ,or something as simple as energy..can kill as many people as hundred of hiroshima atomic bombs if not more. so wake up  from that zombie land of Neoliberal Jewish -American -British propaganda that "Hitler began world war 2." and that it was the west the "good guys"..who "liberated Europe." After world war 2 ended , the world only got worse.. with the same criminal factions who provoked it.. more powerful than ever ,controlling the world finances ,and military bases everywhere .Now becoming real close for a major world destruction with their policies.

    The anglozionist killed millions in Vietnam ,millions in Korea ,millions in Japan , millions in africa ,millions in latin america and they master mind many world conflicts and proved two major word wars and now provoking another third world war .. they arming Alqaeda and ISIS and international terrorism..  now the question is who is whitewashing crimes here? for me
    the factions who provoke world wars are not any better than the people who participate on them..   specially when they full knowing the millions of civilians that could be killed because of
    their actions..


    Russia didnt enforce the love for them by blocking S-300 deal.  


    You have to remember that Israel a nuclear powered nation ,lead by Crazy and dangerous leaders.. can threaten Russia Federation nation security , by supplying weapons to Georgia or baltic states and or Ukraine , and will have helped overthrow Yakunovych even faster to retaliate .  The last thing Russia wants is to put their own security at risk for defending a religious fanatic country..like IRAN..  that will backstab Russia in any time as soon the sanctions lifted..  Sanctions have not been lifted and Iranian leaders already have been promoting a pipeline to Europe of natural gas to totally bypass Gazprom , just imagine that. With friends like this ,how you expect Russia to take any risk in a major confrontation with the Terrorist state of Israel.

    US neocons hate for RUssia is so big that they are willing to negotiate with IRAN ,(even putting at risk the dominating role of Israel in middle east) in order to create another front in the oil prices and reinforce the sabotage on Russia economy. get them to lower 30$ per barrel or even $20. Don't forget that IRAN have the second mayor world reserves of natural gas.. after Russia. While Russia support in public the lifting of sanctions of Iran. you can be sure in private they will admit they benefit from them.. more than if they were lifted. Because this is a fight for world survival.. i hope Iran stay under sanctions until at least Russia fully move its business to the east. IRAN plays no role in the world balance and peace contrary to Russia. So this is why i think for at least 2020 Russia needs all the economic help they could get to fight the western full scale enomic warfare on its economy.
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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:22 pm

    Don't remember if anyone posted this yet, but...

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150319/1019739756.html

    Prague's decision to allow a US military convoy to travel through the Czech territory has sparked public outrage in the country.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:59 pm

    Firebird wrote:Incredible, a defender of Hitler. On a RUSSIA forum..

    THATS why there are Russians reluctant post.

    I reckon some of these accounts are based in Washington. Some Nuland wannabee saying to scum like Pskanky,
    "How can we smear pro Russia views? I know lets mix pro-Russian and Nazism, then we can compare Russia to Nazism".

    W. T. F.  No

    I think you're being way too sensitive. Vann7 mentioned Hitler only in passing in the final summary of his post - why ignore the entire (long) post only to obsess about a few words on the tail end?
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:57 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Firebird wrote:Incredible, a defender of Hitler. On a RUSSIA forum..

    THATS why there are Russians reluctant post.

    I reckon some of these accounts are based in Washington. Some Nuland wannabee saying to scum like Pskanky,
    "How can we smear pro Russia views? I know lets mix pro-Russian and Nazism, then we can compare Russia to Nazism".

    W. T. F.  No

    I think you're being way too sensitive.  Vann7 mentioned Hitler only in passing in the final summary of his post - why ignore the entire (long) post only to obsess about a few words on the tail end?

    Because he is full of him.. perhaps a charlatan.. thats why.. He is not interested in any discussion here other than labels people of "hitlers supporters" if whenever the information i give does not align the official story telling. Anyone with half a brain , knows US Government and its Neocon elite historically since was funded ,have made a business of provoking wars..
    To believe US or Britain an jews played no role in Germany invasion of other nations and that the war it was all Hitler fault.. is only an insult to human intelligence.  The anglozionist rats
    Firebird defend are the ones who provoked world war 2.. world war 1 and now provoking world war 3 with Russia vs Ukraine. with them supplying weapons to the last one.

    Take a look how US "freedom loving nation" ,surprise ,surprise ,US Major banks helped Hitler war in Europe.. owned by Jewish Rockefellers to keep the war going.



    Contradiction of jews funding nazis? not really.. they are helping banderas today in Ukraine
    who themselves in public support Hitler. and finance their battalions .The Anglo-American-britist neoliberal zionist elite will support anyone who can help them weaken their competition..and in the 50s it was Germany.. after Germany defeated.. Soviets became the new enemy..today that is Russia. is as simple as that. The west will fight any nation who step in the middle and not welcome their global ambitions of ruling all the world by controlling the world finances ,food and with their military bases in every nation. They created Alqaeda to fight soviet Russia in afganistan.. and today they do it with ISIS.. and they support the banderas Rusophobic  ultra nationals in Ukraine.. the west will finance and arm anyone who can cause destroy their enemies. wheather is Nazis  , or ISIS or Alqaeda.. or Nicaraguas Contras..they funded in Latin america to destroy pro Russian countries. it doesn't matter.

    Now who is white washing war crimes?  
    Firebird should look here.. 20-30 millions people killed since world war the Neoliberal mafia
    that he believe was better than hitler.

    Study: U.S. regime has killed 20-30 million people since World War Two

    http://www.sott.net/article/273517-Study-US-regime-has-killed-20-30-million-people-since-World-War-Two

    -With a list of 37 nations the US attacked or significantly helped on its destruction .
    -more bombs dropped in Laos by US airforce ,than both sides in world war 2.

    NeoliberaZionism have been far more destructive in the world that Nazism could have
    ever been ,multiplied by 10, because Nazis at least were stopped in just 5 years.. the Anglozionist powers not ,60 years and their kill count continues with nations destruction .

    This is the freedom loving nation ,the side that no one wants to know..and anyone who point
    to such data is called a conspiracy theorist.  Contrary to Germany.. Americans are not invaded.. not under sanctions , their nation security not threatened ..and they do the wars they do ,for Power and world control. and Fun.They enjoy seeing the misery of the nations who value their sovereingty and independence. IS not for freedom that US attack nations.. Libya is not free.. IRAQ is not free. Ukraine is not free..is not for saving lives either.. or defense of their citizens or human rights or to kick invaders from their territory. but for a world domination what they do.

    NO good guys/leaders in world war two..Stalin was not good guy,but at least saved Russia. Hitler neither but at least he had noble intentions in fighting neoliberals mafia in the west. Churchil was purely evil ,who wanted to start a nuclear war against soviets ,right after the end of world war 2 ,when they were weakened..and neither was a good guy the american president who dropped two atomic bomb on civilian cities in japan. It was a war of Governments fighting for Power and or territorial integrity..But in my book ,the worse villains were the ones who provoke the war to start .

    in more on topic..

    Givi's car after assassination attempt on him 19/03/15




    what he told after this assassination attempts.


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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:03 am

    Even if Hitler was provoked into a war, it does not implies that Hitler is a good guy.

    You can provoke a bad guy into a war, of course.

    From 1939 to 1941, WW2 was simply a conflict between two criminals. One is the Nazi Hitler, and one is the anglo-zionists old empires.

    Only after 22 June 1941, WW2 changed its nature. It became the war between progressive humanity and Nazi criminals.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:13 am

    Vann7 wrote:The Anglo-American-britist neoliberal zionist elite will support anyone who can help them weaken their competition..

    I have to admit you are right on this point. One only has to look at recent history and the despicable bastards that the US has backed to understand this...

    Indonesia 1965: US supports Indonesian military to overthrow Sukarno and initiate a slaughter of Indonesian leftists and communists (estimated to number 1 million dead). US embassy handed list of thousands of names for the junta to liquidate.
    Bolivia 1971: US supported the violent overthrow of the elected leftist President Juan Jose Torres and the imposition of a military dictatorship for the next 8 years.
    Chile 1973: US formented economic crisis and funded right-wing groups to undermine elected socialist President Allende, then backed the military coup by Pinochet and the Chilean right-wing (they also tried to assassinate the Chilean army chief of staff Schneider for refusing to cooperate with a previous CIA plan to overthrow Allende before he took office).
    Angola: 1975-2002: US supported the rebel group Unita in its efforts to overthrow the newly independent (and marxist) Angola
    Mozambique: 1977-92: US supported the terrorist group Renamo in its efforts to overthrow the newly independent (and marxist) Mozambique
    Afghanistan 1979-92:  US supported Afghan islamist militants to provoke Soviet intervention and engage in a guerilla war (who the US now fights and calls 'terrorists" a delicious irony is it not?)
    Nicaragua 1979-90:  US formed the "Contras" (criminal remnants of the old Somoza regime) to undermine the Sandinista government
    Iran 1980-88:  US supported Iraq in its invasion of Iran (and defended them diplomatically when Iraq used chemical weapons)
    Chad 1982: US supported Chadian despot Hissen Habre in his overthrow of elected President Oueddei, and then aided his viscous police state regime in the subsequent war against Libya.
    Turkey 1984: US supported Turkey in its violent repression against Kurds seeking cultural rights and local autonomy (while US simultaneously supported Kurds in Iraq and Iran)
    Croatia: 1992-95:  US supported the neo-fascist Tudjman regime (who resumed the use of nazi-era symbols of the Ustashe - the Empires first example post-USSR of using nazi scum to do their dirty work)
    Bosnia 1992-95:  US supported Islamists (including Saudi-backed Wahhabists) in their overthrow of the tripartite agreement and to undermine Russia's traditional ally Serbia
    Chechnya 1992-99:  US supported Chechen nationalists (supported by Saudi-backed Wahhabists) to undermine Russia in an attempt to precipitate a loss of Russias' Caucasus territories
    Kosovo 1998-99:  US supported Albanian terrorists (funded by organised crime proceeds from drugs and prostitution rings) to attack Serbs in Kosovo to undermine Serb resistance to the EU/NATO expansion and asset stripping by big private capital
    Lebanon 2006:  US backed Israel in its aggression against Lebanese resistance group Hezbollah
    Georgia 2008: US encouraged Georgia to be aggressive with regards to the previously autonomous regions of Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Adjara, culminating in the night-time blitzkrieg against SO.
    Gaza 2008: US backed Israel in its aggression against (democratically elected) Palestinian government in Gaza (Hamas)
    Libya 2011:  US supported a motley collection of tribal secessionists and Islamists in its GCC-supported uprising against the Libyan government
    Syria 2012-present:  US supports so-called "moderate" rebels as well as covert support (via Qatar, Saudi & Turkey) to Islamist groups including Islamic Front, AQ-affiliate Jahbat al Nusra and other groups that have now coalesced into Daesh/ISIS/ISIL.  It seems that no terrorist is too nasty to not be used as a tool to destroy the legitimate Syrian government.
    Gaza 2014: US backed Israel in its aggression against Palestinian government in Gaza (Hamas) - again...
    Ukraine 2014-present:  US supports West Ukrainian ultra-nationalists and neo-nazi radicals to take control of Ukraine and suppress ethic Russians in an attempt to pull the country into NATO and damage Russian interests

    ... there are SO many more...

    All things considered, this is a DISGRACEFUL record.  angry   I don't consider the last few decades to be an exception in the historical continuum and I have NO PROBLEM believing that the US strategic planning elite in the WW1 & 2 era were equally as cold, calculating and utterly unmoved by the suffering they caused.

    We can ague about the details and the relative importance of the various policies and actions, but the underlying theme is CRYSTAL CLEAR.


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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:46 am

    higurashihougi wrote:Even if Hitler was provoked into a war, it does not implies that Hitler is a good guy.

    You can provoke a bad guy into a war, of course.

    From 1939 to 1941, WW2 was simply a conflict between two criminals. One is the Nazi Hitler, and one is the anglo-zionists old empires.

    Only after 22 June 1941, WW2 changed its nature. It became the war between progressive humanity and Nazi criminals.

    Agreed 100%, and i've never read ANYTHING from Vann7 that suggests he thinks Hitler is a "good guy". His position is (I believe) that while Hitler was a bastard, their were shady players in US and Europe who wanted war, especially between Nazi Germany and the USSR (ie they fight each other to a standstill and then the West defeats both). He identifies the European jewish elite (eg the Rothschilds) and Jabotinskis embryonic Zionist movement as being some of those groups, and to be honest there is some historical evidence to support that, but the extent and relative importance of Jewish manipulations is hard to ascertain after so much time has passed. A casual review of the last few decades reveals that there is no doubt that Zionists are a manipulative and ruthless bunch of bastards, so its plausible that Vann7 is (at least partially) right, though I personally think he overstates the case.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:27 am

    The U.S. embassay is desperate to find opposition figures, they've gone out as far as Buryatia to look for those fabled Siberian separatists:

    Staff at the US embassy are visiting in Buryatia
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:31 am

    Series of Facist Great Wall episode n+1

    http://uatoday.tv/politics/building-work-continues-on-great-wall-of-ukraine-designed-to-defend-against-russia-416498.html

    Building work is continuing on the 'Great Wall of Ukraine' which is a massive fortification project designed to protect Ukraine's almost two thousand kilometer land border with Russia. Construction is set to begin this week in the Kharkiv region, an area which neighbours the volatile Luhansk region which is under partial occupation by Russian-backed militants.
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:42 am

    Jen Psaki said that the US liked Porkie's law of Donbass special status, although the US had not deeply studied it yet Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201503200001-zm2n.htm

    Новый украинский закон об особом статусе для определенных областей Донбасса в США еще не изучили глубоко, но, несмотря на это, приветствуют его. Об этом заявила официальный представитель Госдепа США Джен Псаки.

    «Мы пока глубоко не изучили этот закон, но ясно, что, по мнению украинцев, он должен распространяться вплоть до сентябрьских линий», – приводит слова представителя Госдепартамента RT.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:12 am

    I need help.

    Colonel Cassad said that Poland may send it's T-72 tanks (up to 300 of them). He said they want to ship "old T-72 modifications". Do you know what did he mean exactly? T-72M? PT-91? Poland does have ~500 T-72Ms in storage but all PT-91 are in service. Poland recently bought more than 100 Leo2A5 from us so maybe they gonna phase out some PT-91s and replace them with Leo's? I really have no clue.

    I just have to congratulate Ukraine on losing it's tank fleet so quickly than now Poland has to resupply them. And why Poland? Can't Americans send their newest M1A2 SEP v2? Laughing
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    Post  cracker Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:54 am

    pretty much all serviceable T-64 were probably put into motion in a way or another already... and seing how many were captured, or lost inside novorussia, and how many simply break down so much they are old and badly maintained... Ukraine managed to lose T-64 fleet and industrial base to maintain them, pretty much (mostly i mean the spare parts). It's been months now that they use an increasingly big number of T-72, which by the way, some total retards still consider proofs of russian army in the area Laughing .... I'm sure ukrop tank crews already serving in rotten T-64BV will really enjoy "upgrading" to a monkey model 30 years old T-72M from poland...

    Frankly at this stage, ukraine should rather seek and buy a fleet of M60 or leopard 1, but nobody in nato is ready yet to see burned hulks of those tanks and having to explain why NATO tanks are being destroyed in ukraine Laughing
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:32 pm

    What's the validity behind this? 'Caution' plenty of Russophobic fear-porn peddling by Newsweek:

    The Secret Norwegian Submarine Base Being Rented by the Russians
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:45 pm

    Definitively US attempts to isolate Russia from Europe not going well..

    France considers Russia friendly country — Hollande



    "For me, Vladimir Putin is first of all the president of Russia," Hollande stressed, commenting on his relations with the Russian leader. "When I talk to him, I talk to Russia, and this is the country that I respect, a great country, a friendly country," he said.

    Hollande admitted there are some disagreements between Moscow and Paris. "President Putin has his own interests, own vision, his own methods and things he says are not always commonly accepted," the French leader noted. "That is why I decided to talk openly with the head of state who is always speaking directly," he added.

    Talking about the Ukrainian crisis, Hollande said that he sees the resolution in the full implementation of the Minsk accords. "It would not be in Russia’s interests if Ukraine is devoured by the North Atlantic Alliance because in such a situation, [Russia] will find itself in a direct contact with those whom it considers a threat," he said. "It is also not in line with France’s position," Hollande said.

    " It is in the interests of Europe to hold direct talks with Russia because it is a great country, and it is in the interests of Ukraine to maintain territorial integrity," he said. "That is why we clearly see that the solution lies in implementing and fully observing the Minsk agreements," Hollande said.


    A huge difference to how Obama and its republican Senate see Russia.. worse than ISIS. and
    not as bad as ebola..  Laughing

    yes i know France bows to Neoliberalism-Zionism most of the times.. and the former president
    zarkosky was a CIA asset too.. but.. this statements in public ,is a major bowl of cold water on Victoria Nuland and its factions. do not help in their plans with UK and its Rusophobic Baltic allies intentions to create paranoia in Europe about a Russian invasion.

    This shows that Putin foreign policy of tolerance ,calm and patience and not closing relations with NATO major powers in Europe is working and very well. This shows that every nation have their own interest too.. and this is specifically mentioned by Holland. And is not in the interest of France of a new major war of Europe vs Russia.. with US and UK selling the the weapons and europeans in the front line. even less when they were doing lately a lot of business with Russia in military equipment but also Russia capabilities in space and vast resources in Energy.

    I still prefer MArine le pen.. she is advocating for France take things to the next level.. gain its real independence from US Global ambitions and leave NATO and EU and seek closer relations with Russia.  I do not see BRICS as having any future to counter anything other than an alternative bank.. But A french -Russo alliance will be indeed amazing.  and more if that is combined with ,Italy and greece.  a France Ruso alliance will only create the start of NATO disintegration. And the worse fears and nightmares of Neocons in the west.  Russia offers a multi polar world ,with many powers instead of single leader..like Americans wants ,telling everyone else How they should live.  This statements are really major troubles for US hegemony, Their own strategic allies in Europe are sabotaging their plans to isolate Russia.
    What can they do? overthrow Hollande and get Sarkoski who also told the same? or Le Penn
    who ask for leaving NATO and that admire Putin? Maybe im too optimistic.. but this looks
    like indeed a major HUGE.. blow back to US policies in Ukraine. they are risking the existence
    of NATO itself if they continue pushing Europe into a war with Russia.  Smile

    I really like also how Czech president Zeman ..how he told.. "My absence from the ceremonies in Moscow would insult the memory of the 150,000 Soviet soldiers who gave their lives for the liberation of Czechoslovakia,"

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:24 pm

    Vann, at this point, I am certain that Europe is getting cold feet over all of this and starting to see the signs od possible conflict. So they want to look neutral.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:55 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Vann, at this point, I am certain that Europe is getting cold feet over all of this and starting to see the signs od possible conflict. So they want to look neutral.

    They are not european, majority of those "european leaders" have palaces on other continents, so they don't give a damn about a war in europe.

    This EU army is onyl there so when it comes to hot war between europe slaves and russia, US can say that is not NATO that is the european army, we have nothing to do with it.

    They are sociopaths they don't care.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:11 pm

    cracker wrote:Frankly at this stage, ukraine should rather seek and buy a fleet of M60 or leopard 1, but nobody in nato is ready yet to see burned hulks of those tanks and having to explain why NATO tanks are being destroyed in ukraine Laughing

    Hahaha...yes, NATOs public image of "qualitative superiority" needs to be maintain for even the old tanks. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:18 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Vann, at this point, I am certain that Europe is getting cold feet over all of this and starting to see the signs od possible conflict. So they want to look neutral.

    They are not european, majority of those "european leaders" have palaces on other continents, so they don't give a damn about a war in europe.

    This EU army is onyl there so when it comes to hot war between europe slaves and russia, US can say that is not NATO that is the european army, we have nothing to do with it.

    They are sociopaths they don't care.
    Don't think so WW, we must remember that the U.S has to keep up an image of the G.I Joe like heroism and defend Europe from the tyrannical Putin and maintain "Unity". Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:21 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Vann, at this point, I am certain that Europe is getting cold feet over all of this and starting to see the signs od possible conflict. So they want to look neutral.

    They are not european, majority of those "european leaders" have palaces on other continents, so they don't give a damn about a war in europe.

    This EU army is onyl there so when it comes to hot war between europe slaves and russia, US can say that is not NATO that is the european army, we have nothing to do with it.

    They are sociopaths they don't care.
    Don't think so WW, we must remember that the U.S has to keep up an image of the G.I Joe like heroism and defend Europe from the tyrannical Putin and maintain "Unity". Rolling Eyes

    I think they can twist every situation in Russia evil, USA good. They twisted everything in Assad evil, but we fund and provide chemical weapons like Sarin gas to terrorists, but we call them rebels.

    The US and western world are imbeciles to say it simply, they eat every garbage propaganda of GI Joe the good one.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:05 pm

    What's the bet on France-Germany playing the good cop/bad cop role in regards to the WW2 Victory celebrations in May; as in - Merkel not going, while Hollande will be going?
    But in actuality, their positions are co-ordinated and pre-planned, so as to appease both sides of the divide.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:15 pm

    flamming_python wrote:What's the bet on France-Germany playing the good cop/bad cop role in regards to the WW2 Victory celebrations in May; as in - Merkel not going, while Hollande will be going?
    But in actuality, their positions are co-ordinated and pre-planned, so as to appease both sides of the divide.

    Hollande is going? I never heard anything on that, and I'll believe it when I see it. I'd rather him not intend, and just deliver the Mistrals...with penalty of course.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:26 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:What's the bet on France-Germany playing the good cop/bad cop role in regards to the WW2 Victory celebrations in May; as in - Merkel not going, while Hollande will be going?
    But in actuality, their positions are co-ordinated and pre-planned, so as to appease both sides of the divide.

    Hollande is going? I never heard anything on that, and I'll believe it when I see it. I'd rather him not intend, and just deliver the Mistrals...with penalty of course.

    I haven't heard anything either, but you know what? I think he might.

    'Old Europe' needs to have at least one represenative at the victory celebtrations; otherwise they'd be completely following the US's wishes - a policy which is not acceptable to them ultimately. They have their own independent relations with Russia; even other close US allies like Israel, Japan and South Korea have close relations with Russia independent of US wishes, and the Western Europeans can't not have noticed this.

    Meanwhile some of the countries of 'New Europe' know exactly what the game is about. I think the president of Slovakia or was it the Czech Republic - has already agreed to go to the 9th May celebrations. They are pragmatic and business-minded, and won't miss any chances to act as a bridge for Russia-EU relations.


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