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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:13 am

    Every reason to keep quiet before delivery. Why wind up the Israelis publicly (their Intel is good so they will know what's up)? Why wind up the US before the change of President in January?

    Especially given the risk of an IAF attack on their centrifuges before Trump is history.
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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:06 am

    Trump will come back in 4 years.

    Biden will destroy US just like Obama did.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:25 am

    Isos wrote:Trump will come back in 4 years.

    Biden will destroy US just like Obama did.

    We can only hope.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:24 pm

    Isos wrote:Trump will come back in 4 years.

    Biden will destroy US just like Obama did.

    That's a maybe. What if Trump is currently trying to tie up a no prosecution deal? That might take him out of politics for good.

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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:03 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Isos wrote:Trump will come back in 4 years.

    Biden will destroy US just like Obama did.

    That's a maybe. What if Trump is currently trying to tie up a no prosecution deal? That might take him out of politics for good.


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    Do you really think US politicians will let justice touch a former president ?

    That will create a precedent that could cost a lot to many politician.

    Forget that. He is safe.

    Justice will forget him like Obama, Bush and other as soon as he goes out of the WH.

    But he will come back more powerfull than he was because what he did was actually not bad and Biden's leftist dictatorship will totally destroy the two party political order in the US for good which will destroy the US and implode like USSR. Lot of poor people, elite doesn't care and get richer, american dream just like communist dream is just a dream... same as USSR...

    Remember this post in 5 years.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:42 pm

    I agree with you except I don't think Biden is left leaning... the democrats are not left wing any more... the clintons pretend to be liberal but they should be in the republican party... the backers supporting Biden are not lefties.

    Biden wont be treated like a hero by half the country for doing fuck all like Obama was, but both are full of shit... maybe he will have a stroke... evidence of novachok will be found by German and US labs of course and Clinton will be pissed because she wont be the first female US president...

    In two years time a new disease that only monkeys can get will spread around the US and all the countries using the anti covid monkey vaccine, and the rise of the planet of the apes will begin... Twisted Evil

    I love predicting the future.... it is fun.
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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:46 am

    Clinton will be pissed because she wont be the first female US president...

    You mean "first devil animal" ? lol1
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:59 pm

    Do you really think US politicians will let justice touch a former president ?

    That will create a precedent that could cost a lot to many politician.

    Forget that. He is safe.

    During Trumps entire presidency the democrats have been abusing the justice system and intelligence services to screw him over... and the riots in the US over "Trump.... not my president" bullshit happened quite a bit.

    Shops and businesses in the US were not blocking up their windows and doors with wood in case Trump lost... they were doing it in case Trump won.

    On no evidence other than stuff they paid to get manufactured themselves the intel services and judicial system has been on a witch hunt these last 4 years trying to get dirt on Trump and his people... the people interviewing Flynn said there was no problem, the various agencies said there was nothing there regarding Russian collusion... it was some higher up censored that decided he had to be prosecuted for lying to the FBI... which is terribly amusing because there are no laws that require the FBI or any police or government agency to tell only the truth to the people they hold in custody... how does that work?

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    Post  Backman Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:23 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Every reason to keep quiet before delivery. Why wind up the Israelis publicly (their Intel is good so they will know what's up)? Why wind up the US before the change of President in January?

    Especially given the risk of an IAF attack on their centrifuges before Trump is history.

    Speaking of Israel, I could see a situation where Putin promised Netayahu that they would'nt sell Iran the best available aircraft. Which is why the su 35 is out. They should just get su 30sm's then. Su 34's would be handy for Iran too.
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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:15 pm

    Backman wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Every reason to keep quiet before delivery. Why wind up the Israelis publicly (their Intel is good so they will know what's up)? Why wind up the US before the change of President in January?

    Especially given the risk of an IAF attack on their centrifuges before Trump is history.

    Speaking of Israel, I could see a situation where Putin promised Netayahu that they would'nt sell Iran the best available aircraft. Which is why the su 35 is out. They should just get su 30sm's then. Su 34's would be handy for Iran too.

    Or MiG-35
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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:19 am

    Iran has a preference for two seat models anyway. Su-30SM will be as good as su-35 if not better thanks to the second guy in the back seat that divide the work load, add 2 eyes and another brain.
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    Post  Kiko Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:16 pm

    Iran intends to purchase fighters and helicopters from Russia, 18/10/2021.

    The head of the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, Mohammad Bagheri, said that the country is negotiating with Moscow on the purchase of Russian fighters and helicopters, Fars news agency reported.

    “Now we are negotiating (with Moscow) on the implementation of agreements on the purchase of Russian fighters and helicopters,” RIA Novosti reports.

    According to him, the agreements will be signed after the end of the UN embargo on arms exports to Iran.

    Earlier, the leading countries of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which includes Russia, approved a document on Iran's entry into the organization as a permanent member.

    https://m.vz.ru/news/2021/10/18/1124747.html

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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:21 pm

    If I was Russia I would tell the Israelis if the attacks in Syria continue then Iran can buy any plane they like....
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    Post  Kiko Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:If I was Russia I would tell the Israelis if the attacks in Syria continue then Iran can buy any plane they like....
    Yes, that's the idea, I gather:

    Russia-Iran arms deals to bolster bilateral relations, says Iranian military chief, 20/10/2021.

    Mohammad Hossein Bagheri mentioned that in recent years, bilateral interaction between Russia and Iran in the military and defense spheres "has been gaining momentum".

    TEHRAN, October 20. /TASS/. The conclusion and implementation of arms purchase contracts will bolster the relationships between Moscow and Tehran, Chief of the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Mohammad Hossein Bagheri said at a meeting with Russian Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief Vice Admiral Vladimir Kasatonov in St. Petersburg on Wednesday.

    "The conclusion of arms agreements and their implementation in the near future will considerably deepen our relationships," the IRIB television and radio broadcasting corporation quoted the Iranian military chief as saying.

    As Bagheri pointed out, "bilateral interaction [between Russia and Iran] in the military and defense spheres has been gaining momentum in recent years."

    The chief of the Iranian General staff also visited the Russian Navy’s headquarters in St. Petersburg and military facilities in Kronshtadt, IRIB reported.

    Chief of the Iranian General Staff Bagheri arrived in Moscow on an official four-day visit on October 17 and has held a meeting with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and talks with Chief of the Russian General Staff Valery Gerasimov.

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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:35 am



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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:22 pm

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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:29 pm

    Babak Taghvaee - Μπάπακ Τακβαίε - بابک تقوایی

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    13h

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    @BabakTaghvaee

    #Iran fof first time received an offer for the 24 Su-35SEs back in October during the trip of General Bagheri to #Moscow. However No agreement was reached as #Iranian MOD couldn't fund any $3 billion USD deal for their procurement

    Babak Taghvaee - Μπάπακ Τακβαίε - بابک تقوایی

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    #Russia had hoped that, #Indonesia procure at-least 11 out of 24 Su-35SEs already produced for #Egypt bun undelivered in KnAAPO (Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant). But Indonesians were barred by #US to procure them. Indonesia is a long time operator of Su-27 family aircraft



    Babak Taghvaee - Μπάπακ Τακβαίε - بابک تقوایی
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    As a part of the $ 10 billion USD arm deal of #Iran & #Russia, Russians will also perform life-time extentsion and overhaul of 23 MiG-29 jets & 25 Su-24MK strike bombers of #IranianAirForce in #Iran. An overhaul center is already constructed in #Mehrabad airport for that purpose.

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    Procurement of 24 Su-35SEs for #IranianAirForce hasn't been a priority of #Iran's Regime & because of that, No direct fund is specified however, they intend to get them in exchange for oil. More details on the #Iran-#Russia negotiations in my report:
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    Post  George1 Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:54 pm

    Ιndonesia's Su-35S will go to Iran
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    Post  lyle6 Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:08 pm

    George1 wrote:Ιndonesia's Su-35S will go to Iran
    Iran's got the stones and actually has a useful product to trade with. Russia should go full court press on wooing the Iranians and not bother with the skinflint compradors in this side of the planet.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Dec 25, 2021 7:17 pm

    Are these news broke by someone else or just by this anti-Iranian guy?
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 26, 2021 3:45 am

    So are we to assume that Egypt is going for MiG-35s and not taking up the option of Su-35s, or is this just false information?
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    Post  Isos Sun Dec 26, 2021 3:51 am

    LMFS wrote:Are these news broke by someone else or just by this anti-Iranian guy?

    Not yet but it is very likely to happen. Iran was interested for years by the su-35. Russia wasn't selling them because they respected the agreements and keep the talks for the iranian nuclear program open.

    But now west is imposing sanctions on Russia, not respecting the agreements and even preparing to attack Iran when they respected all the signed agreements.

    So I guess they said "**** off" to NATO and UN and they will sell whatever Itan wants.

    So are we to assume that Egypt is going for MiG-35s and not taking up the option of Su-35s, or is this just false information

    dunno

    They seem to not want the su-35. They are parked for months in Russia now. They ordered more rafale and said they will get the typhoon from Italy. Even the mig-35 has no more chance there.

    Maybe they will order more mig-29M.

    However the su-35 were produced so a contract was signed. They will have to pay penalties or they may have even paid for the jets and will never see that money again.
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    Post  Broski Sun Dec 26, 2021 4:10 am

    GarryB wrote:So are we to assume that Egypt is going for MiG-35s and not taking up the option of Su-35s, or is this just false information?

    Seems like false information to me, if they cancel the deal then they (Egypt) would have to pay a fine to Russia for breaking the contract. But if it's true, Iran will take them instead.
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    Post  LMFS Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:12 am

    Isos wrote:So I guess they said "**** off" to NATO and UN and they will sell whatever Itan wants.

    The sanctions ended last year so they would not be violating anything at UN level... for what I know, both countries are fully entitled now to cooperate militarily

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    Post  Isos Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:17 am

    LMFS wrote:
    Isos wrote:So I guess they said "**** off" to NATO and UN and they will sell whatever Itan wants.

    The sanctions ended last year so they would not be violating anything at UN level... for what I know, both countries are fully entitled now to cooperate militarily

    There was no sanctions on defensive weapons yet Russia didn't sell them. S-300 was delayed mulyiple times before they send it there.

    Now they will go full sell and Iran will buy much more than Indonesia or Egypt. And they will control Iranian oil. Double win for Russia.

    24 is just the first contract. Once it is in service they will need to buy much more to replace their outdated jets. It also open the market for the Checkmate.

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