Russia - Iran Military Cooperation

crod wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

crod wrote:

George1 wrote:Purchase of Russia's Su-30 Jets on Iran's Defense Ministry's Agenda - Minister

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/business/201611261047861707-iran-russia-su-30/

This cannot be surely? These type systems are clearly on the embargo list as offensive weapon systems not defensive...
Hope it's accurate but don't understand how it can be.

The thing is both Trump and Hillary were planning to vacate the treaty anyway so...

As in lift the sanctions and start selling to Iran? Israel will never stand for it.

seriously f*ck Israel ... what the hell can they do about it if Russia did sell Iran SU-30s

Godric wrote:

crod wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

crod wrote:

George1 wrote:Purchase of Russia's Su-30 Jets on Iran's Defense Ministry's Agenda - Minister

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/business/201611261047861707-iran-russia-su-30/

This cannot be surely? These type systems are clearly on the embargo list as offensive weapon systems not defensive...
Hope it's accurate but don't understand how it can be.

The thing is both Trump and Hillary were planning to vacate the treaty anyway so...

As in lift the sanctions and start selling to Iran? Israel will never stand for it.

seriously f*ck Israel ... what the hell can they do about it if Russia did sell Iran SU-30s

a lot more than you think/know....a side from that - if the sanctions remain in force it is moot point anyway.

seriously f*ck Israel ... what the hell can they do about it if Russia did sell Iran SU-30s

It is fairly obvious isn't it?

Any western anti semetic sensible person knows that when a nuclear armed country that has not signed the non proliferation treaty complains that another country that has signed the non proliferation treaty and wants nuclear energy technology but there is no evidence they have any nuclear weapons programme cannot be allowed to trade freely and legally with its international partners.

Obviously that nuclear armed countries that has violated the airspace of several neighbours and bombed even more and keeps the local non jewish population of their country like cattle must be listened too because they know all about illegal nuclear weapons production... they are the Tokra, the Vulcans, of Elves of western myth and legend...

GarryB wrote:

   seriously f*ck Israel ... what the hell can they do about it if Russia did sell Iran SU-30s

It is fairly obvious isn't it?

Any western anti semetic sensible person knows that when a nuclear armed country that has not signed the non proliferation treaty complains that another country that has signed the non proliferation treaty and wants nuclear energy technology but there is no evidence they have any nuclear weapons programme cannot be allowed to trade freely and legally with its international partners.

Obviously that nuclear armed countries that has violated the airspace of several neighbours and bombed even more and keeps the local non jewish population of their country like cattle must be listened too because they know all about illegal nuclear weapons production... they are the Tokra, the Vulcans, of Elves of western myth and legend...

+1

Su-27UB in iranian colors and with Iranian flag on the tail. It is Su-27UB as it have single front Wheele. Su-30 have twin front wheele. In the video you could see Iranian F-4 Phantoms in front of hangars. There is a good question, if it is only one on testings, or Russia sell them some retired Su-27 fighters and if they are modernized to Su-30KN standard.

Good question. Does anyone can provide some additional info?

I'm afraid it's fake, i've seen it a few weeks ago and it was claimed to show "Su-30" in Iran. It's some kind of game footage superimposed on real footage of that iranian base.

mack8 wrote:I'm afraid it's fake, i've seen it a few weeks ago and it was claimed to show "Su-30" in Iran. It's some kind of game footage superimposed on real footage of that iranian base.

I don't know. Plane looks realistic, not graphic taken from games. Modern photo shops could do a lot, this is true, so fake is also possible. On the other hand we know, that Belarus retire their Su-27 fleet, some central Asian republics like Uzbekistan are selling their Flankers, so it is not impossible for Iran to buy few second hand Flankers in secret, which are not from Russia. Considering, that RuAF jets also were some time based in Iranian air base (Su-34 and Tu-22M3), Russia could deliver to Iran spare parts and equippment to support Su-27 fighters officially as equippment to support their Su-34 in operation over Syria. Situation in ME is very fragile and IRIAF need new fighters. If Iran bought them from belarus, than they got Su-27 modernized to Su-30KN standard. If they bought them from somewhere else, they could modernize them to that standard as well in Iran by the help from Belarus and Russia. Iran could buy them in China as well as China is retiring their basic Su-27 from first tranches, as they are replacing them with J-11. I don't think, Russia would be against their reselling to Iran.

They'll need the most advanced versions, specially to combat any Israeli incursion since their hardware is packing - unlike the cheap crap America sells to others. Long range stand-off missiles will be a must, along with quality radars.

I still think however the more on Air Defense that they spend the better. That is, more batteries of S-300s, Tors and Pansirs - LOTS!!!! They'll need to become a fortress of sorts to fend off saturation attacks. That along with their missile program should be a good deterrent.

Ideally Iran would buy MIG-31 Interceptors as well - much more deadly for important operations. Sadly they'll have to make due with their Tomcats - great beasts but old as hell (who knows how many they have to really matter).

ATLASCUB wrote:They'll need the most advanced versions, specially to combat any Israeli incursion since their hardware is packing - unlike the cheap crap America sells to others. Long range stand-off missiles will be a must, along with quality radars.

I still think however the more on Air Defense that they spend the better. That is, more batteries of S-300s, Tors and Pansirs - LOTS!!!! They'll need to become a fortress of sorts to fend off saturation attacks. That along with their missile program should be a good deterrent.

Ideally Iran would buy MIG-31 Interceptors as well - much more deadly for important operations. Sadly they'll have to make due with their Tomcats - great beasts but old as hell (who knows how many they have to really matter).

It seems Iran already decided to buy Su-30SME. But bbefore contract Will be signed and the first produced fighter delivered, it will take years, specially because of sanction as they have to wait 5 years after nuclear deal was reached. In the mean time they could buy some second hand Su-27 Flankers and modernize them to Su-27SM or Su-30KN standard to get capable multirole fighter. With buying some Su-27 fighters, Iranian pilots will become familiar with Flankers and later their transition to new Su-30SME would be far easier.

Russia offered Iran to buy Su-27SM3 fighters instead of Su-35 and Su-30SM?

According to foreign experts on Babak Taghavee aircraft, which he said on his page on social networking site "Twitter", Russia has refused to Iran in the request to put a total of 24 Su-35 (18 units) and Su-30SM (6 units). Instead, Iran was asked to purchase an unknown number of Su-27SM3 fighters, which Iran refused.

The reasons for the refusal to supply the Su-35 are the presence of sensitive technologies in the aircraft, the inability of Iran to pay for the supply with hard currency and the availability of UN sanctions.

Also, according to his information, there is no contract for the supply of Chinese J-10 fighters to Iran (the estimated number of purchased aircraft is 24 units). China is in this issue under US pressure, but even if the contract is still concluded, the delivery of fighters will begin only in the 2020s. An interesting fact is that Iranian pilots of F-4 Phantom II fighters preferred Russian Su-30 twin-engine aircraft to Chinese single-engine J-10 fighters. Therefore, Iran initially chose the Su-30MK fighter, which was later replaced by Su-30SM.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2770013.html

I read it and the tweets. It is speculation from some air force magazine from Iran. They apparently in negotiations for J-10 and FH-7. Which both don't come close to Su-27SM3 capabilities which leads me to believe it was BS.

miketheterrible wrote:I read it and the tweets. It is speculation from some air force magazine from Iran.  They apparently in negotiations for J-10 and FH-7. Which both don't come close to Su-27SM3 capabilities which leads me to believe it was BS.

From the same source...

#Russia Deputy PM, Dmitry Rogozin offered #Iran Defense Minister Gen. Dehqan sale of MiG-35 4++ MMRCA today, but #IRIAF is not interested

While #Iran wants Su-35S, #Russia offers only Su-27SM3 and today MiG-35S/UB but equipped with Zhuk-ME radar. #IRIAF wants with Zhuk-AE radar

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/893938685338669057

I call BS because there would be no reason to say no over the Zhuk-AE since it will reduce cost for the T/R modules.

Sorry, till I hear it from Russian news, I don't believe it. Cause, Su-35 is being exported anyway to countries like China so there is zero reason not to sell it to them.

Russia allowed negotiations with Iran on the supply of air defense systems

"Russia acts strictly in accordance with international law, and therefore, no military-technical cooperation with Iran can be carried out by October 2020. Before the UN Security Council sanctions expire, it is possible to discuss cooperation in such areas as: supply of air defense systems; creation in Iran a comprehensive system for monitoring, protecting and defending the Persian Gulf coast; supply of electronic warfare equipment; modernization of air defense equipment previously delivered to Iran; supply of small arms and ammunition to it, "said the heads FSMTC.

https://ria.ru/20190927/1559206014.html

In a month of time free trade between EAEU and Iran will come into force and the offer for a Russian based integrated air defense is on the table. By means of democracy Western countries justify themselves their rapid shifts in policy change towards others but such inconsistency and un-worth is confirmed as scam and lie after only one cycle and than no one believes them anything anymore. So while Russia will endure a year more up to october 2020 that time will pass also and Iran will be free to purchase itself a brand new air fist and anything else it sees as necessary. Iran will not give West second chance to buy themselves time and will in 10years time be faced with Iran whose Army they can not break.

Iran proved though its AD systems are indeed very capable. But that is with their long range high altitude. I wonder how their SHORADS are though?

miketheterrible wrote:Iran proved though its AD systems are indeed very capable.  But that is with their long range high altitude.  I wonder how their SHORADS are though?

Iran have 29 Tor-M1 in armament. Most probably they are protecting their S-300 units.

For the rest of Shorads Iran masively produced their own based on Crotale in towed version as Ya Zahra or Shahab Thaqeb and in self propelled version as Herz-9.


Ya Zahra


Herz-9

Both Ya Zahra and Herz-9 are upgraded with new modern electronics and both are equipped with TV, thermal imager and laser range finder.




One interesting picture of presence of captured Iraqi Roland-2 in factory. Iran didn't went to copy Roland-2, but most probably they were studying technical solutions and concepts from Roland for their own projects.

Russia has sold Iran six ekranoplan ground-effect vehicles (GEVs)

https://www.intellinews.com/iran-buys-six-caspian-sea-monster-ekranoplans-from-russia-188307/?source=russia

marat wrote:Russia has sold Iran six ekranoplan ground-effect vehicles (GEVs)

https://www.intellinews.com/iran-buys-six-caspian-sea-monster-ekranoplans-from-russia-188307/?source=russia

"The model sold to Iran is the ORION-20 Ekranoplan. It has been in operation in Russia for the past few years.

The ORION-20 has a maximum speed of 180 km/h and can haul one tonne of cargo, plus 12 passengers.

According to a statement from ORION: “A contract for the supply of six vehicles to Iran is being implemented. Of these, three have already been delivered and accepted by the customer.”

It added: “We had to adapt our planes to Iran’s hot and humid climate and also to its rocky coastal areas, which necessitated certain changes to the planes’ original construction.”

The navy of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) in 2009 in a military parade showcased ekranoplans that were supposedly developed indigenously, but there was speculation that the GEVs were actually bought from Russia in an earlier order placed by Iran."

So Oct 2020 has passed. And we don't have much action with Iran/Russia yet.

Why wouldn't Iran take Mig 35 fighters ? They would be cheaper and simpler to operate.

24 su 35 heavy fighters is way too much airplane for a country that hasn't operated a modern airforce for decades. But it doesn't surprise me that Iran wants su 35's and Russia doesn't want to sell them for some reason. This is how things always go between Russia and Iran. They should be able to make win win deals but they just dont. Russia has lots of sanctions proof stuff to offer them.

Why hasn't Iran ordered some IL-96M's ?

It takes time. Plus we don't know if there are secret deals or not (like was with Egypt).

Every reason to keep quiet before delivery. Why wind up the Israelis publicly (their Intel is good so they will know what's up)? Why wind up the US before the change of President in January?

Especially given the risk of an IAF attack on their centrifuges before Trump is history.