Russia - Iran Military Cooperation

Kriva wrote:In all honesty, they should stop negotiating this S300.
Last week - delivery in March.
Two weeks ago - delivery within the two months.

This week negotiating about delivery.
WTF are they still negotiating? Either deliver it or not :/

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Kriva wrote:In all honesty, they should stop negotiating this S300.
Last week - delivery in March.
Two weeks ago - delivery within the two months.

This week negotiating about delivery.
WTF are they still negotiating? Either deliver it or not :/

My understanding is more and newer on top of already bought.

Kriva wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Kriva wrote:In all honesty, they should stop negotiating this S300.
Last week - delivery in March.
Two weeks ago - delivery within the two months.

This week negotiating about delivery.
WTF are they still negotiating? Either deliver it or not :/

My understanding is more and newer on top of already bought.

Isn't this delivery for S-300 PMU2 ?

Newer would mean S-400.?
News are saying that there are NO negotiations about S-400 at the present.

So either they are looking for more PMU2 or Russia is dicking around again.
(Excuse me my French)

sepheronx wrote:US will try to ban Su-30 deal to Iran via UN security Council. Screw them.

Russia Wants to Sell Advanced Fighter Jets to Iran – and the US Wants to Stop It

The Fiscal Times By Martin Matishak
April 6, 2016 5:45 PM

The U.S. is ready to step in to prevent Russia from selling advanced fighter jets to Iran.

In a statement issued Wednesday, State Department spokesman Mark Toner told The Washington Free Beacon that Washington is opposed to Moscow selling advanced Sukhoi Su-30SM warplanes to Tehran. The U.S. claims such a sale would violate the United Nations Security Council Resolution governing last year’s nuclear agreement between Iran and various Western powers.

“In terms of the specific reports about the proposed sale of the Sukhoi Su-30SM multi-role fighter jets, for example, we would almost certainly veto such a sale, as provision of such equipment to Iran would further exacerbate existing tensions in the region,” Toner told the Free Beacon.

U.N. Security Council Resolution 2231 “prohibits the sale to Iran of specified categories of conventional arms as defined for the purposes of the U.N. Register of Conventional Arms, without approval in advance on a case-by-case basis by the U.N. Security Council,” he added.

That “includes the Su-30SM fighter,” according to Toner.

The warplane, which was part of Moscow’s arsenal in its aggressive air campaign in Syria, is comparable to the American F-15E Strike Eagle fighter-bomber.

Russia’s uptick in arms sales to Iran in the wake of the nuclear deal, and to other countries including China, has caused serious consternation in Washington. The Obama administration views the moves as part of President Vladimir Putin’s scheme to make Russia a superpower again, as well as a way to fill the Kremlin’s coffers after years of international economic sanctions and recent low oil prices.

For now, it seems, the State Department is not taking issue with Russia’s separate deal with Iran for the S-300 air defense missile system. The countries signed an $800 million contract in 2007 for the supply of five air-to-ground missile systems, but the transaction was frozen in 2010 due to U.N. sanctions.

Putin approved delivery of the air defense missile system in April 2015. The sale is permitted under existing U.N. resolutions because it is considered defensive, according to the State Department.

As for the fighter jets, since the U.N. resolution pertaining to the deal does include prohibitions on arms sales to and from Iran, the U.S. would likely have to call for a vote in the Security Council to specifically block the transaction.

Such diplomatic maneuvering would do nothing to improve the frosty relationship that has existed between Washington and Moscow ever since the Kremlin annexed the Crimean peninsula in early 2014.

It’s also unclear if a Security Council vote would go Washington’s way. Other countries that were part of the nuclear agreement negotiations -- like China, already a buyer of Russian military hardware -- are eager to do more business with Iran, which wants to boost its military capability after decades of sanctions. Beijing might side with Russia in order to facilitate arms deals of its own in the future.

We are ready, if the customer wants it

Tanks, ships, missiles and other attack weapons fall under UN sanctions

Russia has no intention to sell tanks to Iran — official

Military & Defense May 18, 17:28 UTC+3
Tanks, ships, missiles and other attack weapons fall under UN sanctions


SOCHI, May 18. /TASS/. Russia has no intention of selling tanks to Iran, the chief of the federal service for military-technical cooperation Alexander Fomin has said.
"Such deals might be possible only when the bans are gone. Tanks, ships, missiles and other attack weapons fall under UN sanctions," he said.
The official has also pointed out that Russia is not working on "absolutely new " contracts to supply Iran with weapons.
"We are not holding quite new (talks) on supplies," he said.
Fomin has also noted that Russia has delivered part of the first shipment of S-300 (NATO reporting name: SA-10 Grumble) surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems to Iran.
"We have been delivering S-300 to Iran ever since a decision to this effect was made. The deliveries are under way," Fomin said. He refused to specify the exact number of equipment pieces, which had been sent to Iran. "Part of the first shipment has arrived [in Iran]," Fomin said.


Licensed tank production
Earlier, the commander of Iran’s ground forces, Brigadier General Ahmad Reza Pourdastan, said Iran would like to have Russia’s T-90 main battle tank. Later he said that negotiations on the issue had been held with Russian officials and the corresponding proposal for purchasing T-90 tanks had been handed over to the General Staff of Iran’s armed forces. Ahmad Reza Pourdastan back then said the country preferred not to purchase Russia’s T-90 tanks, but to establish their production in the country.
Russia’s Uralvagonzavod company in February said it was ready to set up licensed production of the T-90S gun launcher-armed tanks in Iran in case restrictions on military-technical cooperation with that country were lifted.
Russia’s main battle gun launcher-armed tank T-90S is equipped with an automated fire control system. It is a light tank (46.5 tons) with a low profile, which increases its survivability.


More:
http://tass.ru/en/defense/876496

On 9 June 2010 Security Council Resolution 1929, not unanimously adopted, imposed further restrictions on arms exports to Iran. Resolution 1929 inter alia prohibits states to directly or indirectly supply, or help to supply, Iran with major conventional weapons as defined by the UN Register of Conventional Weapons - battle tanks, armoured combat vehicles, large calibre artillery, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships, certain missiles and missile launchers (more information on the UN Register and its coverage can be found here.) The resolution also prohibits the supply of related spare parts along with 'technical training, advice, services or assistance related to the provision, manufacture, maintenance or use of' the listed items.

KoTeMoRe wrote:The regime is going to expire in about 5 to 8 years time...

Meanwhile:

On 9 June 2010 Security Council Resolution 1929, not unanimously adopted, imposed further restrictions on arms exports to Iran. Resolution 1929 inter alia prohibits states to directly or indirectly supply, or help to supply, Iran with major conventional weapons as defined by the UN Register of Conventional Weapons - battle tanks, armoured combat vehicles, large calibre artillery, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships, certain missiles and missile launchers (more information on the UN Register and its coverage can be found here.) The resolution also prohibits the supply of related spare parts along with 'technical training, advice, services or assistance related to the provision, manufacture, maintenance or use of' the listed items.

So I do not believe for a moment that Russia is going to frontally say fuck you to the UN.

KoTeMoRe wrote:The regime is going to expire in about 5 to 8 years time...

Meanwhile:

On 9 June 2010 Security Council Resolution 1929, not unanimously adopted, imposed further restrictions on arms exports to Iran. Resolution 1929 inter alia prohibits states to directly or indirectly supply, or help to supply, Iran with major conventional weapons as defined by the UN Register of Conventional Weapons - battle tanks, armoured combat vehicles, large calibre artillery, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships, certain missiles and missile launchers (more information on the UN Register and its coverage can be found here.) The resolution also prohibits the supply of related spare parts along with 'technical training, advice, services or assistance related to the provision, manufacture, maintenance or use of' the listed items.

So I do not believe for a moment that Russia is going to frontally say fuck you to the UN.

KoTeMoRe wrote:The regime is going to expire in about 5 to 8 years time...
So I do not believe for a moment that Russia is going to frontally say fuck you to the UN.