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    Post  Isos on Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:08 pm

    There might be an answer to the israeli cyberattck. I guess some cruise missiles (if they have some there) from Syria toward israeli nuclear research center as a symetrical response.

    Israel is small and even a small cruise missile with 600km range can be deadly for them.



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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:15 pm

    As I expected:
    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-negotiating-25-year-strategic-accord-china-zarif-says

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    Post  nomadski on Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:36 am

    @Isos

    I quickly read the info on the net. About these recent coincident explosions in Iran. I could not get any real good Google maps or photo of incidents. If anyone has these, maybe good idea to post and discuss. The oddities against these being accidents :

    ( 1 )  They are coincident in time.

    ( 2 )  The Parchin incident apparently not in civilian area, but Kodjar missile complex.

    ( 3 )  The  Natanz incident , centre of blast apparently corner of building, not centre.

    ( 4 )  The size of Natanz destruction, point to large explosion. Needing large mass.

    ( 5 )  The transformer explosion and chlorine gas leak and Barge fire, follow south.

    ( 6 ) The pussy cats of homeland YouTube apparently before explosions.

    This all points to the most likely scenario, as being a sabotage by external agents. It is unlikely that the enemy would have so many operatives in sensitive locations. Together with size of explosion in Natanz, indicating the use of large device in the corner of building or just outside building. The industrial targets and Barge, seem to be unguarded targets of opportunity, as the team retreated south for sea extraction in PG.

    This makes sense, since MANPAD most likely cause of Ukraine jet crash. Indicating active team. I think the enemy will not take chance of launching attack by cruise missile or F35. Since they want to negotiate and not go to war. Hence this secret attempt and blaming internal elements.

    Attack most likely by portable drone or similar. Special team enter from PG region. And they destroy as they retreat to Bushehr. The target there probably the reactor. But could not destroy because of security there. So hit the Barge, before jumping into water.


    Response.?  Symmetric response.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:55 am

    US killed a general and their answer was to launch 12 or so ballistic missiles. Not symmetrical at all.

    S-300 will protect from israeli ballistic missiles. F-35 doesn't have the range to attack iran deap inside.

    The answer could be symmetrical in the targets attacked like israeli nuclear production or weapon industry. But iran doesn't have the capability to attack with commando in Israel.
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    Post  nomadski on Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:29 am

    To be honest, I am no longer concerned too much about some problems in Iran. Such as the lack of Nuke detterent. Because I know, they have launch capability of ICBM. And they have build capability for Nuke warheads. So should there be war, I think Iranians can put something together. To stop carpet bombing or shock and awe, like Iraq.

    I am not concerned about economy or trade, too much. Since Iran showed that Russia and China and allies, will trade. So sanctions not effective long term. And Iran now thinking about using water resources and Agriculture to become food self sufficient.

    Iran conventional armed forces, are progressing well. Iran almost self sufficient in all areas. Even fighter aircraft. And it can purchase from Russia and China too.

    Iran is also not diplomatically isolated. Apart from America and UK ,  I think relations improving with most of the world.

    The greatest weakness, is lack of political progress. Man does not live by bread alone. Iranian youth can not be kept occupied forever, by filling their belly with bread. And their mind with European football and religious ceremony.

    During recent demos, supposedly against fuel price rises. The people who participated, many of them were shouting.... Death to or long live.... Political demonstrations.

    Iranian people walked on land mines to defeat Saddam. They were not complaining about price of petrol then. Because they were defending, what they owned. They must also own political power. The priority in Iran, should be political progress.

    The present system must be improved into a multi - party system. So the majority of people feel they have power. Not just a minority, with supposedly religious inclinations.

    Otherwise the powerless, will rebel. And having no organisation, will cause social unrest. And the enemy will use them. Organise them. To launch counter democratic movement. Or carry out sabotage. Put their own boys in power.  I am not worried about anything else in Iran.

    This attack will be fully retaliated. I am sure.
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:10 am


    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/07/17/why-iranians-are-rallying-online-stop-execution-three-protesters/%3foutputType=amp


    There should be no political executions. And even in civil cases, executions should only apply in a minority of cases, of first degree murder. As far as I know, these very young men are at worst guilty of :

    ( 1 ) Armed robbery with a pistol, with no deaths or injury.

    ( 2 ) Possibly arson , taking photographs of incident , with no reported deaths or injury.

    ( 3 ) Possibly possession of pistol , in demonstrations, with no proven deaths or injury.

    ( 4 ) Possible verbal support for terror MKO, who support causing deaths or injury.

    Since none of these crimes has led to proven loss of life. Then punishment should fall short of death penalty. However the penalty, should be similar to those who indirectly support or facilitate murder, in civil cases. Such as paying a hitman to do a killing. The hitman deserves death sentence. The paymaster a long prison term.

    In this case, a long prison term, that enables them to compensate the victim of robbery and any damage to property in fires, by prison work. Should be enough. If damage to property was not high, and they have compensated by work in prison. Then one reason for release, at that time.

    Their support for any illegal group. Should be addressed by political education in prison. If they repent, then another reason for release at that time. If possible their sentence should not be so long, as to stop them at future date from marrying and having a family.
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:40 pm

    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/07/21/2311740/ayatollah-khamenei-iran-to-strike-back-at-us-in-response-to-assassination-of-general-soleimani


    Why this statement now?  When at the time all Iranian officials were saying that  Assad base strike, was Iran's  last word on the matter?  I think Iran did not want to escalate and hoped for no further actions by USA.  But perhaps recent events  (  fires and explosions ) have pushed this matter into another area.  Iran now saying a proportional response will be given. Meaning taking out a high ranking yank or killing some . Hold on to your hats !

    But why Iran, just not keep quiet and let the wind push Yanks out?  Without getting hands dirty? I think they decided, this will take longer, needing a large force. So why are they waiting?  They are obviously looking to strike openly and in a way that Yanks can not reply. Go figure.....
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:14 am

    The hitman deserves death sentence. The paymaster a long prison term.

    I disagree... the person paying the hit man is making the death happen and is therefore responsible an should get the death sentence.

    The Hitman, by offering such services, makes such hits possible so it would not have happened without them either so they should die too.

    Commute the death sentence to the Hitman to life in prison if they agree to reveal all their contracts and all the people they have killed and who paid them for it...

    Justice is about revenge, but also about keeping society safe and a safe society is not one with hitmen in it or with people prepared to pay to have other people murdered in it.

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    Post  nomadski on Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:40 am

    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en

    Well predictably, the Yanks have decided to leave the region, kicking and screaming. So Iran has to go to war. To evict them. A limited strike unlikely to achieve this. So the choices are to either allow further attacks against Iran. This will surely happen. Break the word and credibility of leadership. Allow social disturbances and further political turmoil. And accept a humiliating defeat. As was the case at end of Iran / Iraq war. With downing of Iranian passenger plane, over PG region. Or to display a detterence now and wait for Yanks to leave without too much fuss. Or to go to full scale conventional war and suffer the consequences and then drive the Yanks out at high cost. But time for decision is now.
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    Post  crod on Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:12 am

    nomadski wrote:https://www.tasnimnews.com/en

    Well predictably, the Yanks have decided to leave the region, kicking and screaming. So Iran has to go to war. To evict them. A limited strike unlikely to achieve this. So the choices are to either allow further attacks against Iran. This will surely happen. Break the word and credibility of leadership. Allow social disturbances and further political turmoil. And accept a humiliating defeat. As was the case at end of Iran / Iraq war. With downing of Iranian passenger plane, over PG region. Or to display a detterence now and wait for Yanks to leave without too much fuss. Or to go to full scale conventional war and suffer the consequences and then drive the Yanks out at high cost. But time for decision is now.

    Jesus I really think you’re over reacting a bit. Full scale war, humiliating defeats etc. just games of chess.
    Iranian sponsored groups are harassing just as much. Calm down dude before you make yourself ill with worry.
    Iran will just continue to do what it does, time is on its side and they know it, as do the jews and the Americans hence the ratcheting up of pressure. It’ll be October soon enough and possibly some game changer announcements to come particularly from collaboration with China.


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    Post  nomadski on Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:22 pm

    It is not matter of worry alone. Like Syria, we have to see if say attacks by Usraelis  are militarily significant. Including the economic and psychological aspect.  Iran can now weather the economic sanctions. Thanks to China and Russia. But as I said, the Yanks have not left the bull ring, for another Matador to make a killing. They will especially feel rejected, once Iran broke the sanctions. And they get left out of Iranian markets.

    And have they not been busy lately?  With the killing of Iranian General, and possibly shooting down Ukraine plane, and most likely destroying nuclear research and now almost caused crash of another plane. The material damage in itself is significant. The economic damage very high. The political and psychological damage severe.

    These attacks are significant. And by themselves will lead to collapse of confidence in Iranian leadership and military. The attacks on Yanks are nothing compared to these. A few vehicles or jeep  or empty barracks destroyed. A few katusha making a bang. No real material damage. No real psychological damage. It is not militarily significant.

    But if your national interests are not immediately at stake. And you are just watching the bull fight. From afar. Then it does not really matter if the bull gets killed. Or Matador gets killed. It becomes game. Game of chess. Or other game.

    For all these alternatives in front of Iran, to me the least costly version, is one where Iran displays it's detterence. Followed by a limited regional conventional strike. Retaliation for killing of General. The Yanks will then stop attacks. If not entirely leave region. Problem solved. It is they, who will have to worry then.

    But to do this, Iran needs a war leader. Someone like Ahmadinejad. Who will Marshall the troops and Iranian nation. With emotional force. Shaking his fist and shouting. Destroy and smash the enemy. Not someone in robes, sitting down quietly and reciting poetry and writing letters to European youth...........

    And if someone make a declaration of war. And does not follow quickly with action. In a few days or at most a week. Then they have made empty threat. They loose confidence of people. And win pleasures of enemy.
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    Post  crod on Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:18 am

    I see it a little bit differently, I see the desperation of the jews and the yanks for they know game changer times are literally only a few short months ahead.

    They’re trying to provoke for a number of reasons namely:

    1) trump is in real trouble and politically he might need to be showing a strong international hand even though 4 yrs ago his platform for election was to pull out of costly wars etc (he and his team are now desperate).

    2) the jews know they’ll never get another trump and are still in shock that a yank president in the form of Obama could’ve turned on them in such a manner that he did and

    3) the Americans scuppered the nuclear deal at the behest of the jews, this has now spectacularly backfired upon them as the Europeans, Russians and the Chinese are blaming the US for this and as a consequence weapons sales to Iran will now most likely take place.

    Remember this, all chickens come home to roost and the jew chickens are doing just that. Someone once told me when I used to work in foreign affairs that the israelis are sowing the seeds of their own destruction, let them.

    Chin up, the Iranians are resourceful people. Politically on the international stage the world is far more comfortable dealing with the robes over the fire and brimstone fist clenching little man that was the previous leader. Iran are playing a smarter political game. No one would deal with AA because his rhetoric was full of bile. You need international friends.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:32 am

    Trump like any other president (actually the deep state) needs an enemy. That's always been the case in order for the USA to survive. If they don't have an external enemy they will focus on their own internal issues and that will lead to a civil war.

    Trump tried with China but they were too strong and sanctions were hitting the US citizens too strong.

    So he went for the weak Iran.

    Israel pushed for that but it isn't the only reason why Trump always attacks Iran. Israel are just sizing the opportunity and went the bring US in a war against them. But don't forget that Trump is supported by the white racist USA and can't just go at war for Israel interest. Btw he is racist too.

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    Post  nomadski on Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:10 pm

    @ Crod

    Disagree about analysis about internal politics and dynamics  of USA , being significantly different through their long history of racial genocide and war and domination. Very wrong to base Iran policy to US, based on minor cosmetic differences between parties. Real power in US, rests with particular group.

    Regarding the clergy or Mullahs, being war leaders. How many prophets do you know that were great military leaders? Oh Moses! Well he was such a poor General, that he led the poor Jews into the desert to starve! Only that God had to come to the help of the Jews and feed them manna!  Oh Soleyman! He was such a poor General that he would avoid trampling ants under the hooves of the horses of his army!  The ants left a verse in the holy Quran, saying he did this! And Jesus, if true, would turn the other cheek all day long to be slapped! And Muhammed, if true, was carried on platform to battlefield as trophy.. PBUH.

    Yes people of cloth can be trained to be a General. But their training is not essentially military. So in time of war, as of now, the leadership should give blessing to a war fighter to take the lead. We have many.
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    Post  lulldapull on Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:53 am

    So basically business as usual in Iran.......not much to sing about other than the China deal.
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    Post  nomadski on Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:03 pm

    The leaders of Iran do not want war. Who does. But war will come to them. Does not matter what they want. But what enemy wants. Next time there will be more brazen and humiliating attacks. And they may want to do nothing. Or so they hope. But confidence will be lost in political leadership and army. Iran loosing the will to fight on. How are they going to censure more attacks?  Block the news?  They are on wrong path........................

    The blame is falling on the brave personnel of IRGC. They incompetently shot down. The blame is falling on dedicated personnel of Nuclear industry. They are saboteurs. And there were no serious injuries among passengers of plane, attacked by F15....... Why? Because they need time to build Nukes?  Oh, I forgot, it is against Islam. It must be because the solution is the conversation of civilizations. I heard Nancy Pelosi 's fanny is open to dialogue.  We have people who can speak English very well........ God save us from the bearded Liberals. Their  malign influence must be removed first.


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    Post  nomadski on Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:12 am

    If Americans are blocking the financial channels for South Korea, to repay the Billion Dollar debt to Iran, for sale of oil. Then they can repay by hard cash or gold directly. Or repay by goods that Iran needs. We will provide the plane if needed. Otherwise as they said, no more trade with Iran or worse...........


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    Post  lulldapull on Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:37 pm

    Iran today rejected the narrative that Natanz warehouse structure housing centrifuge rotors balancing/ calibration lab equipment was sabotaged. Same goes for all other so called fires and explosions. Its 45-50 degC and in most southern areas its hitting 60 degC in khuzestan and Ahwaz etc. Press TV even issued a dedicated article on this drama. If anyone is interested let me know, I'll post it here.
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:43 pm

    Yes, post it please. As far as I know, the  " intelligence" ministry is saying that there exists a huge conspiracy in Nuclear industry, and an explosive device planted by hand was responsible for Natanz. They are therefore blaming someone employed by Nuclear industry. When evidence points to explosion being external to building. Therefore we must ask, why if person had access to plant, that he did not take device into building?  And if he could not,  then why no CCTV footage of identity, while on the grounds of the facility? They should have identified very quickly. This at a time, when they lied about location of first explosion, near Parchin. Being civilian. It only later emerged by traitor Radio pasfarda, that explosion in missile facility. Not to mention all the other incidents coming quickly together. They arrested people today in Kurdistan Region for setting deliberate fires. This was reported. And most important, their suppression of info on Ukraine plane electronics sabotage, reported by Canada and France. No reports in Iran. Blackout. Now I understand the importance of keeping things calm. Such as cyber attacks. Hundreds happening. No need to alarm people. But if they suppress the news about these large attacks. Loss of life. Damage. And even blame IRGC and Nuclear personnel. Then it is against national interest of Iran. Committed by a compromised political system. Interested in narrow political gain. Unless there is political change in Iran, and power is shared by all the people, then the present elite will not be able to do justice to Iranian national interest. It goes back to beginning of revolution. When Democrats and socialists were eliminated. By the right wing. Iranian democracy was subverted. But we hoped that Iranian national interests will be served. But this too is a fail. The wealthy Bazzar and landowners and factory owners and clergy United with them, will only serve their own interests to stay in power. Not national interests. As long as Iranian socialists and Democrats are killed and exiled. Then the right wing will forever crawl to uncle Sam.
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    Post  lulldapull on Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:52 am

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/07/22/630152/Iran-explosions-fires-US-Israel-sabotage
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    Post  nomadski on Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:20 am

    The greatest trick by Satan, was to convince the world, he did not exist.

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    Iranian people, and not just the ruling elite, need to see the devil. Some try to hide his face. To enter into a deal with it. A deal with the devil.

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