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    Crimea's integration into Russian Federation:

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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:42 pm

    They need to deliver nuclear power for these plants.   Crimea only recently got enough local power generation capacity.   Throwing in
    energy hogs like desalination plants will put the system under stress.   One way or another, new power will need to be deployed for
    these plants.

    This is a good excuse to build a nuclear power plant near the Kerch Strait bridge to provide electricity all the way out to Sochi.
    The area to the east of the strait is flatland and only becomes mountainous east of Anapa.

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    Post  franco Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:48 pm

    Prohibition of ownership: Ukrainian citizens will be forced to sell their land plots in Crimea to the state

    On Saturday, March 20, a decree of the Russian president began to operate prohibiting foreigners (including residents of Ukraine) from owning land plots in most of the territory of Crimea, as well as the Astrakhan and Kaliningrad regions. Vladimir Putin signed this document a year ago. The decree prohibits citizens of other countries from owning land in border areas.

    So, similar limits in Crimea now operate in Sudak, Kerch, Evpatoria, Sevastopol. Citizens of other states are allowed to freely buy land in Belogorsk, Dzhankoy, Simferopol, Krasnoperekopsk, in the Krasnogvardeisky and Pervomaisky regions of the peninsula.

    According to the Land Code, if foreign citizens retain their property, they must transfer the owner's powers within 12 months. If this does not happen, the property under the Civil Code will be put up for auction, and the proceeds will go to the former owner or become the property of the state with compensation to the ex-owner at the price of the real estate set by the court.

    In the spring of last year, about 11 thousand land plots in Crimea were owned by foreign citizens, most of whom were immigrants from Ukraine. Also, the owners of land plots on the peninsula are citizens of Belarus, Germany, Australia, Lithuania, Israel, Kazakhstan and other countries.

    https://pll4mi3fskkynekzvxxr6u4ery--topcor-ru.translate.goog/19119-zapret-na-vladenie-grazhdan-ukrainy-zastavjat-prodat-gosudarstvu-svoi-uchastki-v-krymu.html


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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 20, 2021 9:06 pm

    You should include the link.

    This snippet omits important details such as the nature of those plots. The Ukr banana republic privatized nature preserves in Crimea so
    that wealthy maggots could grab prime beach front and other real estate. All of such land transfers should be nullified. This is
    not some land grab from poor, innocent Ukrainians in Crimea. Nobody is touching the property of Ukrainian residents in Crimea.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:32 pm

    A new water intake was launched in Crimea to provide water to the capital of the peninsula
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    While Kiev politicians, including ex-President Kravchuk, declare a "catastrophic situation" with water in Crimea and scare their own citizens with the invasion of the Russian army to restore water supply, new water supply facilities are being commissioned on the peninsula to solve the problem of drinking water shortages.

    On March 18, 2021, ahead of schedule by a month, the long-awaited launch of water from two wells of the new Beshterek-Zuisky water intake took place in the capital of Crimea. Starting today, Simferopol will receive an additional 5 thousand cubic meters of drinking water per day. In total, the project provides for 11 wells up to 500 meters deep, which will supply up to 22 thousand cubic meters of water to the city.

    Dear Crimeans, today a working start-up of water from the newly explored artesian water field of the Beshterek-Zuysky water intake is underway

    - said the deputy chairman of the Crimean government Yevgeny Kabanov.

    The rest of the wells will be launched within two months, water will be supplied through a new water conduit from two strings of plastic pipes with a diameter of 700 millimeters and a length of 20 kilometers.

    According to the Minister of Construction and Architecture of the region, Mikhail Khramov, work at the facility was carried out around the clock and took, in total, about 14 months.

    Let us remind you that the Russian government has allocated 48 billion rubles to solve the problems of providing Crimea with water. According to plans, the main work on the peninsula should be completed by 2024.

    https://en.topwar.ru/181012-v-krymu-zapustili-novyj-vodozabor-dlja-obespechenija-vodoj-stolicy-poluostrova.html

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    Post  lancelot Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:19 pm

    The problem with artesian wells so close to the sea is that if you drain them too much, there might be infiltration of salt water that will contaminate the underwater aquifer.
    In the long term I think they will need some other solution.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:22 pm

    lancelot wrote:The problem with artesian wells so close to the sea is that if you drain them too much, there might be infiltration of salt water that will contaminate the underwater aquifer.
    In the long term I think they will need some other solution.

    Desalination was already the main option put in the table.

    Issue is, salt will always be a problem and unless they resort to full hydroponics, not much else they can do but to remove as much salt as they can.
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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:26 pm

    Nuclear powered desalination is ideal. People stop thinking when they hear "nuclear". It is the cheapest in both the instant meter
    and long term construction and retirement costs power. Period. Using nuclear power for LNG would be brilliant since 0% of the
    natural gas is squandered to liquify itself and the nuclear power is cheaper per BTU than natural gas.

    BTW, it is officially a crime against humanity to divert fresh water from any population for any reason. Banderastan gets
    away with this because it has the NATzO hyenas who are rabid, bloody hypocrites on its side.

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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:28 pm

    lancelot wrote:The problem with artesian wells so close to the sea is that if you drain them too much, there might be infiltration of salt water that will contaminate the underwater aquifer.
    In the long term I think they will need some other solution.

    The fresh water is not extracted from coastal regions and they are well aware of this issue.

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    Post  PhSt Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:17 am

    Correct me if im wrong but isn't the use of wells going to cause soil subsidence in the long run like what is happening in Jakarta? I think desalination is the best solution to address Crimea's water problem.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:39 am

    PhSt wrote:Correct me if im wrong but isn't the use of wells going to cause soil subsidence in the long run like what is happening in Jakarta? I think desalination is the best solution to address Crimea's water problem.

    There's also atmospheric water generators. Their only drawback is that they're energy intensive, but that's where mobile nuclear reactors come in.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:45 am

    lancelot wrote:The problem with artesian wells so close to the sea is that if you drain them too much, there might be infiltration of salt water that will contaminate the underwater aquifer.
    In the long term I think they will need some other solution.

    Good point, which is why reservoir management is the key.  Be disciplined, don't draw excessive rates, monitor water quality.
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    Post  kvs Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:16 am

    PhSt wrote:Correct me if im wrong but isn't the use of wells going to cause soil subsidence in the long run like what is happening in Jakarta? I think desalination is the best solution to address Crimea's water problem.

    The wells are stop gap solutions. It is also not just wells but partial river diversion for example near Sevastopol. They are not fully
    diverting the river since they understand that there is no free lunch.

    The "urgency" of this question is yet more anti-Russian propaganda. Russia will solve it over the correct time scale. It is Khuyiv that
    is masturbating itself into a frenzy thinking that there is an existential water crisis in Crimea. These fcukers can only wish...

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:26 am

    kvs wrote:
    PhSt wrote:Correct me if im wrong but isn't the use of wells going to cause soil subsidence in the long run like what is happening in Jakarta? I think desalination is the best solution to address Crimea's water problem.

    The wells are stop gap solutions.   It is also not just wells but partial river diversion for example near Sevastopol.   They are not fully
    diverting the river since they understand that there is no free lunch.  

    The "urgency" of this question is yet more anti-Russian propaganda.  Russia will solve it over the correct time scale.   It is Khuyiv that
    is masturbating itself into a frenzy thinking that there is an existential water crisis in Crimea.   These fcukers can only wish...

    Mobile NPP combined with a mobile desalination complex (after it's developed) could be useful, but a mobile NPP paired with a mobile atmospheric water generator (AWG) would be even better and quicker.

    Large industrial AWG's such as the AwG-H640 model, are capable of fitting on the back of a semi-truck, and produce 10,000 gallons of water a day.

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    https://www.quenchinnovations.com/awg/
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    Post  kvs Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:30 am

    The scale of such devices is too small.  They are not running into a crisis with drinking water (*).   The "problem" is supply to satisfy
    agricultural and industrial needs.   It actually makes sense to build a water pipeline from Russia.  

    They should use their new stainless steel rolling plant to produce the pipes.

    (*) I was too quick, it does involve drinking water for larger cities but that involves also other uses in those cities.
    Full sized desalination plants would be needed. But atmospheric moisture harvesting on the coast where there
    is plenty of water coming off the sea could be scaled as well.

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    Post  Hole Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:42 pm

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    Post  franco Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:24 pm

    Where is this?
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    Post  Backman Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:05 pm

    Nice paint job on the tanks
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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:04 am

    The top building in the first image seems to have the words <something> Sevastopol on its roof on the closest side
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    Post  kvs Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:38 am

    GarryB wrote:The top building in the first image seems to have the words <something> Sevastopol on its roof on the closest side

    The whole banner says:

    Army of Russia to the residents of Sevastopol.


    This project was built like the hospital expansions last year for Covid-19 overflow handling.

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    Post  Maximmmm Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:49 am

    kvs wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The top building in the first image seems to have the words <something> Sevastopol on its roof on the closest side

    The whole banner says:

    Army of Russia to the residents of Sevastopol.
     

    This project was built like the hospital expansions last year for Covid-19 overflow handling.


    The army has really been the MVP of this whole thing since corona started. They've been throwing up new buildings and infrastructure all over the place non-stop it feels like.
    It makes me think back to when Shoigu was head of the MCHS and you would keep hearing about that agency doing more and more things. Nowadays you barely hear about them at all. He seems to be really good at taking whatever agency he is head of and just driving them forward like a tank.

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    Post  Hole Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:58 am

    franco wrote:Where is this?

    This is the new water facility. See the last 20+ posts. Very Happy
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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:50 am

    If the problem is lack of fresh water and a power shortage then a floating nuclear power station is a nice fix for both... water for crops does not need to be of the same standard as for drinking... lots of places around the world the people adapt to their situation where the downpipes of rooftops lead to tanks instead of straight into the sewerage system... rain water can be used for drinking but can also be used on your grass and your garden and for washing clothes and it gets filled back up every time it rains for free.
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    Post  Maximmmm Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:19 pm

    It would seem to me that things are getting closer and closer to building some proper desalination plants. Yes it's expensive, but also I see it as a good way to maybe get some experience at building the facilities and then we could try marketing them abroad.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:07 am

    Indeed, land and ship based systems would be valuable experience, while the ship based systems mobility would allow a country to rent it for periods when water stocks are low or during peak electricity months for cooling or heating.

    Island nations and also hot nations would probably benefit from such mobile services... so much of the worlds population lives in coastal regions, so ship based systems would be especially useful to have available on call.

    They could even form humanitarian forces with their new helicopter carriers where one carries naval infantry and helicopters and the other drones and helicopters, you could include a power generation system ship with desalination capacity that could travel with the rescue force to provide power and fresh water which are often in short supply in disaster zones where infrastructure is damaged... having fresh water and electrical power as well as 1,000 fit young men and women and almost three dozen decent sized helicopters as well as drones and landing ships and vehicles that don't require roads would be useful for floods and fires and earthquakes and many other natural situations... but also in military situations too.
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    Post  Nomad5891 Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:41 pm

    GarryB wrote:If the problem is lack of fresh water and a power shortage then a floating nuclear power station is a nice fix for both... water for crops does not need to be of the same standard as for drinking... lots of places around the world the people adapt to their situation where the downpipes of rooftops lead to tanks instead of straight into the sewerage system... rain water can be used for drinking but can also be used on your grass and your garden and for washing clothes and it gets filled back up every time it rains for free.

    Crimea is an arid region but anyway you can not have a city like Sevastopol depend on just rain water.

    Putin already said that desalination is expensive and will affect negatively water bills of the citizens in Crimea. These plants are not exactly cheap, they need huge power, so then you need nuclear plants that are in the billions and take decades to be compelted.
    And Crimea needs water like today.

    Sad part is both tourism and agriculture which are region´s main economic activities will be hugely affected by this water shortages.

    Only solution is opening of the NCC but I dont see this feasable.

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