par far wrote:We know some Russian are fighting alongside th rebels but are there people from other parts of the world that are fighting along the rebels?
Some is an understatement.
par far wrote:We know some Russian are fighting alongside th rebels but are there people from other parts of the world that are fighting along the rebels?
Some is accurate... NATO-funded media is still claiming that Russia has organized battalions in Ukraine w/o and proof, or even evidence to back that up. At most Russia is playing a supportive role in Ukraine (as in supporting the Novo) and not the offensive one as "thought" here. I wouldn't doubt that current and former Russian soldiers are in Ukraine, but that doesn't mean they are there under request from the Kremlin.TR1 wrote:par far wrote:We know some Russian are fighting alongside th rebels but are there people from other parts of the world that are fighting along the rebels?
Some is an understatement.
Vann7 wrote:… from 100,000 is nothing …
TR1 wrote:par far wrote:We know some Russian are fighting alongside th rebels but are there people from other parts of the world that are fighting along the rebels?
Some is an understatement.
Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Vann7 wrote:… from 100,000 is nothing …
You are probably one order of magnitude too high.
15,000, including possibly 8000 of them in the Debal'tsevo pocket, is more like it.
arpakola wrote:Tough EU Statement on Russia Didn’t Have Greek Consent, Officials Say
Greek Official Says Greece Will Issue Statement Later Tuesday
http://www.wsj.com/articles/eu-call-for-more-russia-sanctions-didnt-have-greek-consent-1422363607
tribute to the 300 communist executed by Germans 1st May 1944 , at Kesariani area
Tsipras (SYRIZA) the new PM as per today...
First Linkage Between DPR and LPR Forces near Debaltsevo Reported
1/27/2015
LPR and DPR report linking near Debaltsevo.
Internet report from LPR militiaman “Schastlivyy” [Happy]:
Translated from Russian by J.Hawk
“We have made contact with DPR at Debaltsevo. We are supporting them with artillery, we are receiving self-propelled howitzer and MRL reinforcements. We can hear them and see them. We destroyed a couple of Ukrainian fortifications in the last day.”
Translator's Note: This is the first internet report of the two Novorossia forces making contact with one another at any point of the Debaltsevo pocket. It suggests that the Ukrainian forces are now fragmented. The gradual collapse of the Debaltsevo salient may be the reason for the recent frenzy of activity, including the uncoordinated Ukrainian attacks along the entire front, and the Verkhovna Rada declaring Russia to be an "aggressor."
http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/01/first-linkage-between-dpr-and-lpr.html
"No Money For War"--IMF to Ukraine
1/27/2015
No Money for War (Lagarde)
Translated from Russian by J.Hawk
The International Monetary Fund will assist Ukraine only after the situation inside the country is stabilized. The IMF Executive Director Christine Lagarde made this announcement in a Monday interview with Le Monde.
In her words, IMF experts assumed that the conflict would be over by the winter when determining the financial support plan. “Now we are developing new variants, including giving Ukraine four years to implement reforms”, clarified Lagarde.
She also said that the level of financing will “probably be somewhat higher than anticipated,” but that will depend on military-political factors. Lagarde underscored that all IMF plans assume the stabilization of situation in Ukraine. “That is the priority. The linkage between economic and military situation is self-evident,” said Lagarde.
To translate into human language, THEY WILL NOT GIVE KIEV ANY MONEY (as if there were any doubts). That means the situation will develop rapidly and toward the rapid deterioration of the internal situation and toward an COUP D’ETAT of one sort or another. It’s only a matter of time (give or take a month). But this time it won’t be the usual standing around on a square, but a swift and short clash of armed men or a CAPITULATION without a fight (which cannot be ruled out, since it would be preferable to Poroshenko, but I’m sure the Kremlin would not like that, therefore we’re still waiting).
The economy, in the meantime, awaits paralysis. It has already begun. Factories are being idled on a mass scale, people are being given unpaid furloughs, which is equivalent to being condemned to starvation (and if you took out a loan in foreign currency, you might as well hang yourself).
Unfortunately (because Ukraine is after all my country, and Ukrainians my countrymen) there are no good options for them in the near future. Only bad and worse ones.
Translator’s Note: Aside from the obvious fact that the junta is entering into a veritable Gotterdammerung (twilight of the Gods) comparable to the Nazi German regime’s, when it was increasingly engaging in self-destructive activities (for example, Hitler’s infamous “Nero Decree”), it should be also clear that the West’s role in Ukraine’s civil war is approximately the same as in Libya and Syria. They were perfectly happy to undermine the country’s fragile political system, hoping that the new thugs would quickly take control and reward their Western benefactors with lucrative contracts or privatization deals. But once the country spirals out of control they walk away, looking for another tempting target. The Kiev “elite” is struggling against that hard reality, and its actions suggest that if they plausibly threaten a Ukrainian disintegration, that by itself will force the West to pony up tens of billions of dollars to shore up Ukraine’s economy (and line the pockets of anyone connected to the Kiev “elite”). The recent declaration of Russia as an “aggressor” is as much a game of chicken with the IMF as it is with Russia.
January 27, 2015
Eduard Basurin (DPR) - Newsfront
Translated by Kristina Rus
DPR MOD Frontline Update
After a loss suffered on January 26, the enemy turned to offensive activities on separate fronts.
Fearing encirclement, Ukrainian forces are leaving the Debaltsevo ledge. On Donetsk front the enemy with the forces of the 25th airmobile brigade undertook unsuccessful attempts to attack Donetsk airport.
The attack has been repelled.
During the fighting militia burned 4 tanks and 4 BMD. The loss of live forces was up to 50 people killed.
On Debaltsevo front the enemy has unsuccessfully attempted to regain control over North Eastern part of Debaltsevo. Counter attack by NAF pushed UAF to its former positions.
On Mariupol front there were no active military operations.
Over the last 24 hours as a result of military operations total losses of security forces of Ukraine were: 21 tank, 14 BMP and BTR, 7 field artillery weapons, as well as up to 170 killed and wounded. 11 Ukrainian soldiers have surrendered.
I want to emphasize that repeated announcements by Kiev about large losses of NAF is a typical propaganda fake. In a 40 million Ukraine, as is well known, losses of a thousand people are easy to hide for the Kiev junta.
We have a lot fewer people. We all know each other, we are all acquainted. Therefore such losses, if we really had them would be impossible to hide. We really do have losses, in the last weeks we lost 62 fighters, who we said are good byes to.
However, the losses of Ukrainian forces for the same period are not comparable - more then 1,100 people. The bodies of most of the killed Ukrainians are laying in the fields for more then a week. No one from the commanders of Ukrainian forces is trying to take them out.
More then 70 Ukrainian soldiers have surrendered since January 9th.
We would like to bring to the attention of the world community and international organizations, the increasing shelling of our cities by the Ukrainian artillery, which leads to mass deaths among peaceful residents, including children.
The number of killed and wounded among the peaceful residents of Donetsk is in the hundreds.
Although for Poroshenko all of them are separatists.
Instead of objective and diligent investigation of these crimes with participation of representatives of OSCE, Ukrainian authorities continue to engage in propaganda demagogue and hide their own war crimes.
As a result the number of victims among the peaceful population is growing.
Ukrainian troops are demoralized, which is shown by unprecedented incident, which occurred last night.
During overnight clashes a wounded soldier from 128th separate mountain-infantry brigade had surrendered, and talked during questioning about the facts of using "zagradotriads" [army police] from the territorial battalions against Ukrainian soldiers. As a result of shooting at Ukrainian soldiers head on from the positions of the National Guard, more then 20 people died on the spot, several dozen more were wounded. The rest of the soldiers of the 128th brigade ran away, according to him.
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