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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #10

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    Post  Regular Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:15 am

    OK, shit is getting real..Mongoloid Plotnitski treachery continues.
    https://vk.com/wall-73367195_867

    Rough google translation
    RRG "Batman" LC
    ---- SOS-- ALL repost !!!
    --Derzhat Carpool defense. Guys mined approaches. Surrounded by up to 70 people. All weapons with ammunition enough for all. Division commander -OLIMP-
    - Doctors with a field hospital located on the base car, the guys are ready to fight to the last. Infa will come as far as possible, cut off telephones. Get in touch once per hour! ALL repost !!!


    So called "Ruskiy mir" smells like shit. The values carried are more rotten than the ones You can find in Europe. People who fight for truth are being squashed like bugs.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:39 pm

    IMF proposed austerity is starting to hit Odessa, people protesting electricity cuts (in the middle of winter no less):

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    Post  Regular Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:49 pm

    Well they should start buying grechki then as IMF austerity is only starting.
    Who will send humanitarian convoys to them? Poland?
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:33 pm

    No planned genocide in ukraine hmm?

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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:58 pm

    Werewolf wrote:No planned genocide in ukraine hmm?


    Yes, the people's welfare comes last. The welfare of corporate racketeers comes first. This is quite clearly the
    precious western values that I see every day in Canada. Our dear leader Harper is doing everything he can to
    strip Canada of all those outdated "socialist" hang overs such as science funding, health and safety standards and
    any other threat to the bottom line of corporate transnationals. Canada does not need "blue sky" research it needs
    consumer products. The logical step for Harper would be to lower Canadian wages to Chinese levels and have
    sweatshops established everywhere. Everyone knows that cutting edge research in medicine, materials science
    and anything else that contributes to an advanced economy and society occurs in garages by self-taught tinkerers
    who spend years of their lives thinking perpetual motion and free energy from perpetual motion are actually attainable.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:29 pm

    Regular wrote:Well they should start buying grechki then as IMF austerity is only starting.
    Who will send humanitarian convoys to them? Poland?

    Cutting electricity in the middle of winter is a quick way to start a 3rd rebel front in Odessa! Stuff like this is what causes countries to Balkanize!
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    Post  etaepsilonk Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:54 pm

    Regular wrote:
    So called "Ruskiy mir" smells like shit. The values carried are more rotten than the ones You can find in Europe. People who fight for truth are being squashed like bugs.

    Well, novorussia is former ukraine after all. Lies, deceptions, and betrayal upon betrayal upon betrayal is part of everyday life there.

    Here's what lugansk says:
    http://lug-info.com/news/one/sotrudniki-spetssluzhb-lnr-unichtozhili-glavarya-bandgruppy-betmena-i-zaderzhali-ego-opasnykh-podelnikov-801

    Security officers killed the leader of the gang LC "Batman" and detained his dangerous accomplices

    According to the Prosecutor General's Office, in June and October 2014 the Battalion illegally detained and tortured 13 local residents. As a result of their illegal actions one of them died. According to operational data in the torture of people were involved armed persons with the callsigns "Maniac", "Omega", "Dak", "Chechen", "Batman," "Luish", "Phoebus", "Janek", "Xoxol", "Subota" "Zema," "Tabletka", and others.
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    Post  NationalRus Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:07 pm



    Cossacks units of Donbass LNR calling out corrupt stealing scum of Lughansk goverment
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:00 am

    In plain English, as I am linguistically challenged, can someone explain the situation around "Batman"?
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    Post  NationalRus Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:15 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:In plain English, as I am linguistically challenged, can someone explain the situation around "Batman"?

    he was executed by LNR regime

    https://vk.com/gbr_bat_lnr

    https://pp.vk.me/c623818/v623818392/1375f/zV-affbJ8xk.jpg (graphic)
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:55 am

    NationalRus wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:In plain English, as I am linguistically challenged, can someone explain the situation around "Batman"?

    he was executed by LNR regime

    https://vk.com/gbr_bat_lnr

    https://pp.vk.me/c623818/v623818392/1375f/zV-affbJ8xk.jpg (graphic)

    +1 for the explanation.

    Do you know why they did that? Is it just because Russia wants a certain composition of "forces" in the region?
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    Post  NationalRus Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:58 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:In plain English, as I am linguistically challenged, can someone explain the situation around "Batman"?

    he was executed by LNR regime

    https://vk.com/gbr_bat_lnr

    https://pp.vk.me/c623818/v623818392/1375f/zV-affbJ8xk.jpg (graphic)

    +1 for the explanation.

    Do you know why they did that? Is it just because Russia wants a certain composition of "forces" in the region?

    critical of corruption and sell out of LNR and its fat pig leader who started to target independent field commanders left and right, a coup is needed ASAP
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:26 am

    NationalRus wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:In plain English, as I am linguistically challenged, can someone explain the situation around "Batman"?

    he was executed by LNR regime

    https://vk.com/gbr_bat_lnr

    https://pp.vk.me/c623818/v623818392/1375f/zV-affbJ8xk.jpg (graphic)

    +1 for the explanation.

    Do you know why they did that? Is it just because Russia wants a certain composition of "forces" in the region?

    critical of corruption and sell out of LNR and its fat pig leader who started to target independent field commanders left and right, a coup is needed ASAP

    Fking outrage. Vile scum killing off his own commanders while the Ukrs are probably preparing another offensive on US command.
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    Post  Regular Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:40 am


    Bermans bodyguards speak out.
    You see everything started after cossacks spoke out about corruption.
    Why does Moscow stand idle and when this shit is happening?
    Betman was a good commander. Just look what happens to people there, they are either removed or killed by their own.
    Spring will be a real test for separatists. If by the time they are not united under good popular command they could be wiped out. Or maybe they expect Russian army to do their job for them?
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    Post  Regular Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:49 am

    Some of Motorola's men were arrested and sentenced 10 years of jail time for attacking drug dealers.
    What I understand that before war mafia was very strong in Eastern Ukraine. Prostitution, drugs and etc didn't stop. Now some of these mafia scum got into power.
    There should be wipeout of criminal elements in Novorosiya. Let them run to Ukraine or face same "arrests" like Betman did. Common people will only say thanks for that. It's temporary measure ofcourse and can only be done in wartime.
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    Post  medo Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:12 am

    NationalRus wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:In plain English, as I am linguistically challenged, can someone explain the situation around "Batman"?

    he was executed by LNR regime

    https://vk.com/gbr_bat_lnr

    https://pp.vk.me/c623818/v623818392/1375f/zV-affbJ8xk.jpg (graphic)

    +1 for the explanation.

    Do you know why they did that? Is it just because Russia wants a certain composition of "forces" in the region?

    critical of corruption and sell out of LNR and its fat pig leader who started to target independent field commanders left and right, a coup is needed ASAP

    Agree, Novorussia have to throw Plotnitsky and Zaharchenko as soon as possible, because they are traitors and wont to sell Novorussia back to Ukraine.

    They should give the power to the head of federal parliament Oleg Carev and make Gubarev a federal prime minister. Also Strelkov have to return back in Novorussia on the top of Novorussian army.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:05 pm

    Regular wrote:Some of Motorola's men were arrested and sentenced 10 years of jail time for attacking drug dealers.
    What I understand that before war mafia was very strong in Eastern Ukraine. Prostitution, drugs and etc didn't stop. Now some of these mafia scum got into power.
    There should be wipeout of criminal elements in Novorosiya. Let them run to Ukraine or face same "arrests" like Betman did. Common people will only say thanks for that. It's temporary measure ofcourse and can only be done in wartime.


    That will happen only with independent and ruthless ministry of internal affairs, aka cheka.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:56 pm

    http://itar-tass.com/en/world/770309

    Interesting words from President of Czech Republic that Prime Minister of Ukraine, Yatsenyuk, is pushing for war in eastern Ukraine.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:58 pm

    It is happening in both sides.. Ukrainians army vs National right sector guard..
    They need to contain the divisions however before is too late.. or the unity will break. The kiev junta
    for sure and NATO have something to do with the divisions inside eastern ukraine.. Bribery can do the trick.

    about batman.. i wouldnt be surprised if he did something wrong.. we cannot judge without knowing all the details..
    The prime minister of Donetsk.. many were saying he betrayed Putin.. bla bla bla.. for stopping the war and agreeing
    with cease of fire when the rebels were winning.. Strelkov himself wanted the war to continue.

    US wanted Russia to invade.. too.. and help the rebels..

    Now we all know that a cease of fire was the right thing to do.. The cease of fire will allow Russia gain time , and let
    the ukies in kiev consume all their economy by extending the war for a long period. Putin did the right thing in to not invade.. otherwise the combination of sanctions +oil price war + the invasion of Ukraine will have been a real blow to Russian Economy.. Europe will have stopped trading with Russia and in one year or so.. totally go its economy bankrupt. .and the west will have achieved its objectives..  


    So is to early to say what happened and who are the good guys.. but for sure having Independent groups armed with weapons in eastern Ukraine is not good at all.. No country or government can function propertly if you have more than one captain giving orders.  It is very necessary that All fighting groups in eastern Ukraine join the Novorosiya army.. and all obey orders of the legal elected authority.. Having Leaders dissobeying the legal politicians elected authorities and taking the law on their hands is recipe for disaster..  Every donetsk and lugansk
    rebels needs to join the legal army .. no room for independent fighters in novorrosiya now .

    People were saying Putin betrayed novorosiya when he removed strelkov. and that now is proven to be the right
    decision. Strelkov wanted to fight his way to kiev.. he is a great leader.. but he does not understand the huge political consequences for RUssia of moving the war beyond eastern ukraine.. You cannot win in Ukraine with a military victory..beyond eastern ukraine . Russian army can easily move tanks to kiev.. but they will be seen as invaders by half the population.. and it will be experience their IRAQ war 2.0// with NATO arming the euromaidans.
    The best strategy for Russia is exactly what they doing.. promote peace and just let the conflict to extend until kiev economy collapse or kiev agreed to recognize Ethnic Russians rights.. to participate in politics and govern their own cities.


    Had Russia invaded Kiev.. the neobanderas thugs will have moved their attacks to other cities against ethnic Russians.. forcing russian army to police all CIties, will have been a nightmare . So will provoke more Odessa Massacres... instead of protecting ethnic Russians will have put their lives at risk. And this is not mentioning the attacks in Ukraine to their nuclear reactors by the CIA.. US gov will love to see Russia inside ukraine..so that
    later they are blamed for the economy problems of kiev. the only way for Russia to win in Ukraine is not a military
    victory .. but a moral one. They need to win the support of 80 to 90% of the ukrainians. for the war to really end..
    and end the control of Americans from kiev.

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    Post  gregoire Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:35 am

    It's war. i wouldn't believe anything from both kiev and donbass. Just sit tight and wait. If there is an offensive by kiev they will be soundly beaten just by the militia, you can count on that. no backwater training or cia ops will help them. In fact, I want to bet anybody on the sudden break up of the kiev army. Nothing will go as planned for these people. History doesn't repeat, it rhymes. Where it was "full of luck" it will be "fully f**ked".
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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:51 am

    Some mentions of Betman.
    Donbass Leads the Race to Control Armed Groups in Ukraine

    January 4, 2014
    Aleksey Blyuminov - Facebook
    Translated from Russian by Kristina Rus

    Re: The liquidation of NAF commander Bednov, aka "Batman":

    The current rulers of LPR got their own "Sashko Bely". I have been waiting for this for a while. Because honestly, I do not see any other way to take these people out of the game. This is not Strelkov, who left when he was asked.
    You need to understand that any government seeks to establish full control over its territory. This is called sovereignty. If the government only formally controls the territory, and the real levers of control are in the hands of Batman, Fobus, Maniac, Omega, Batia and other 'good' people, it's a mess, where every Cossack on each checkpoint is himself the authority, the court and the Prosecutor General in one person.


    Any lawful order begins with the establishment by authority, acting on behalf of the state, of its monopoly on the use of legitimate violence. To punish and pardon is the exclusive right of the structures of the state, no matter how bad they may seem to someone at the moment. Alternative - Chechnya of Maskhad. Many would like to see such "Chechnya" in Donbass. ........
    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/01/donbass-leads-race-to-control-armed.html
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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:54 am

    Some mentions of Betman.
    Apparently they considered him some sort of war lord.  Neutral
    Donbass Leads the Race to Control Armed Groups in Ukraine

    January 4, 2014
    Aleksey Blyuminov - Facebook
    Translated from Russian by Kristina Rus

    Re: The liquidation of NAF commander Bednov, aka "Batman":

    The current rulers of LPR got their own "Sashko Bely". I have been waiting for this for a while. Because honestly, I do not see any other way to take these people out of the game. This is not Strelkov, who left when he was asked.
    You need to understand that any government seeks to establish full control over its territory. This is called sovereignty. If the government only formally controls the territory, and the real levers of control are in the hands of Batman, Fobus, Maniac, Omega, Batia and other 'good' people, it's a mess, where every Cossack on each checkpoint is himself the authority, the court and the Prosecutor General in one person.


    Any lawful order begins with the establishment by authority, acting on behalf of the state, of its monopoly on the use of legitimate violence. To punish and pardon is the exclusive right of the structures of the state, no matter how bad they may seem to someone at the moment. Alternative - Chechnya of Maskhad. Many would like to see such "Chechnya" in Donbass. ........
    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/01/donbass-leads-race-to-control-armed.html
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    Post  Regular Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:27 am

    How do they dare to compare him to Sashko??? What about Mozgovoy getting threats too? Is he warlord too?
    Strelkov and co already stated why there were killings. I rather believe them.
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:02 pm

    Now Ukrainian people mostly lost all hope about "reclaiming" Krym Wink

    http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/21_of_ukrainians_believe_in_voluntary_return_of_crimea___poll_328100&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=thGtVJ6NPNCzuATn6oH4DQ&ved=0CB0QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEflhKmYWdxDkhyqJCi-wiN-YpKnA
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    Post  Airbornewolf Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:18 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Now Ukrainian people mostly lost all hope about "reclaiming" Krym Wink

    http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/21_of_ukrainians_believe_in_voluntary_return_of_crimea___poll_328100&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=thGtVJ6NPNCzuATn6oH4DQ&ved=0CB0QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEflhKmYWdxDkhyqJCi-wiN-YpKnA

    i tried your link, but it gives an "disallowed" character error.
    but i looked it up and found an link that worked for me:

    http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/21_of_ukrainians_believe_in_voluntary_return_of_crimea___poll_328100


    anyway, Crimea was always Russian. largely ethnic russians, sevastopol with one enormous war history trough the ages. razed to the ground during the ww2 nazi invasion, countless lives lost through multiple wars defending the territory.

    when i read up on its history when the topic came up before the referendum i already realised there was no chance in hell Crimean people would allow Nazi's step on Crimea territory a second time. and the destruction caused to east ukraine only encouraged that resolve i believe.

    anyone that ever believed that Crimea would return under ukraine control was a pure fantasy and obviously never read the background and history of Crimea.

    ...but i guess Ukrainians are slow learners ...

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