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    Great Patriotic War (USSR in World War II)

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:30 pm

    The very mention of some of those names and we will shortly hear about war crimes...

    Some of their biggest kills were ships taking people from a trapped off bulge of german forces in the Baltics that were cut off from an escape via land so they had to risk going by ship.

    I seem to remember three ships with a total of something like 30,000 people on board were sunk... at the time they said they were mostly wounded german soldiers, but later they claimed there were women and children... but what german women and children would be in the baltics... these would therefore be the women and children of the baltic states whose sons and fathers helped the nazis guard prisoners in execution camps and feared soviet reprisals...

    To repeat my reply that was moved to another thread...

    Sad your graph is wrong, the Germans did not have over 700 divisions during the war lol.

    You do understand that after a division is effectively destroyed its reminents are used to form new units... a destroyed division does not mean every single man killed or captured... otherwise the number of destroyed divisions for the whole war on all sides would be about 6... even the encircled and captured Soviet divisions in 1941 and 1942 were not totally destroyed... we know numbers of them joined the locals as partizans or snuck back through the lines...

    Though no one is sure what the actual number is war records like that were pretty much destroyed and the USSR just didn't keep track of that well.

    There has never been any question that three quarters of German combat kills... ie soldiers and not old men and old women and children during the strategic bombing, were killed on the eastern front and the eastern front was where all their best soldiers and best generals were sent.

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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:05 pm

    So now German invader losses on the eastern front are German women and children murdered by nasty Soviets.  OK.  Good to
    know that the brain rot in the west is terminal.

    BTW, SS keep on pissing on this forum.  You only prove you are an imbecile.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:29 am

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:51 am

    https://ria.ru/20201205/vov-1587768488.html

    But there were still a lot of other NKVD troops guarding the GULAG that could be used in combat instead.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:17 am

    Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: The Northern Fleet began hostilities on June 17, 1941 https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3134461.html

    What prevented the Japanese from attacking the USSR in 1941 https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3134762.html



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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:54 pm



    Even if this amounts to a movie analysis, there is a critical detail in it. Hitler loses his grip when he realizes
    the full picture of failure to muster armies to stop the Red Army advance on Berlin. In the movie they have him
    rant that he should have purged the army ranks like Stalin.

    The revisionist narrative we have on Stalin's purge is that it weakened the Soviet Union's ability to fight the Nazis.
    This narrative is total BS. The Soviet army of the 1930s was infested with spies and actual traitors. You can
    thank Trotsky's Bolshies for that. (Lenin as they say in Russia was a "chuchilo" or straw man.) One of the reasons
    that the Nazis were cocky about taking on the USSR was that they thought that all sorts of dissidents would come
    out of the woodwork to support the invaders. This was actually true in Ukraine and a lot of the USSR borderlands
    but it was never true for Russians. So Hitler may as well have made such a rant since Stalin's purge did clean
    up the Red Army and ensured a functional chain of command.

    Part of the Stalin "the loser" narrative includes claiming he was "surprised" by the German attack. This is total
    rubbish since the USSR was preparing for war full tilt since after 1939. This preparation increased its war capacity
    by 40%. The other part of this revisionism is to claim that Stalin squandered soldiers. This is done by engaging
    in BS accounting. So the 3.3 Soviet POWs who died in the hands of the Nazis are counted as effective KIA.
    At the same time all the German allies such as Hungary, Romania, Italy and many others who lost over 2 million
    on the eastern front are not counted and we have an inane comparison of German losses with Soviet losses.
    About 20% of the German POWs died in Soviet captivity which is nowhere near 3.3 million.

    The initial success of the Nazis on the eastern front is not proof that the USSR was unprepared. The USSR started
    from the conditions of an agrarian state and was industrializing through the 1930s. Germany was much better prepared
    in terms of industrial war and had US and UK financing and direct industrial support from western corporations to
    lubricate their military build up. The fact that the USSR managed to stop the Nazis is a type of miracle. And
    that includes losing 18 million civilians since such enormous losses did not break the country psychologically. Again,
    the USSR did not butcher German civilians on the scale that the Nazis murdered Soviet civilians.

    Another question that begs to be asked is why the western allies did not rush to save German from the Soviets.
    The answer to this includes not coming out of the closet and owning Hitler's failure. But it is also due to the
    fact that in 1945 the Red Army could not be rolled back and so there was no point in trying. It looks a lot like
    the plan was for the "rotten Soviet facade" to collapse but that never worked out so Germany was thrown under
    the bus by its "pals". This smacks of the present day situation where the NATO west acts as if Russia will crumble
    under sanctions and their saber rattling.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:05 pm

    1 German said that if Hitler didn't try to take Stalingrad, Germany would have won. Could it really happen?

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