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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

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    Post  kvs on Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:03 am

    sepheronx wrote:Re-elections.  Porkyshenko's party won, but by what? 23%?  Pathetic.

    Now the weasel Yatsenyuk is going to form a bloc with Porky's party so the whole thing is a farce anyway.

    The pathetic turnout says it all. It is not normal for Ukraine to have a turnout in the low 40s and has been well over 50%
    in the recent past. We know why this is. Based on previous polling results there is no way that a good 50-60% of the
    population would support the Banderite coup regime. The coup has disenfranchised at least half the population and they
    see no reason to vote in a farce election, where no matter who they cast their ballot for, it will be a regime bootlick.

    There is no comparison of this low turnout with the low turnouts in the USA. Although one could say there is a sense
    of little meaning voting either the Republicans or Democrats since they act like two branches of the same party.
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:29 am

    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Re-elections.  Porkyshenko's party won, but by what? 23%?  Pathetic.

    Now the weasel Yatsenyuk is going to form a bloc with Porky's party so the whole thing is a farce anyway.

    The pathetic turnout says it all.  It is not normal for Ukraine to have a turnout in the low 40s and has been well over 50%
    in the recent past.  We know why this is.   Based on previous polling results there is no way that a good 50-60% of the
    population would support the Banderite coup regime.   The coup has disenfranchised at least half the population and they
    see no reason to vote in a farce election, where no matter who they cast their ballot for, it will be a regime bootlick.

    There is no comparison of this low turnout with the low turnouts in the USA.  Although one could say there is a sense
    of little meaning voting either the Republicans or Democrats since they act like two branches of the same party.

    They do not act alike, they are two branches of the same party and obligated to the same ruler.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:53 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Re-elections.  Porkyshenko's party won, but by what? 23%?  Pathetic.

    Now the weasel Yatsenyuk is going to form a bloc with Porky's party so the whole thing is a farce anyway.

    The pathetic turnout says it all.  It is not normal for Ukraine to have a turnout in the low 40s and has been well over 50%
    in the recent past.  We know why this is.   Based on previous polling results there is no way that a good 50-60% of the
    population would support the Banderite coup regime.   The coup has disenfranchised at least half the population and they
    see no reason to vote in a farce election, where no matter who they cast their ballot for, it will be a regime bootlick.

    There is no comparison of this low turnout with the low turnouts in the USA.  Although one could say there is a sense
    of little meaning voting either the Republicans or Democrats since they act like two branches of the same party.

    They do not act alike, they are two branches of the same party and obligated to the same ruler.

    Most of the political party in this world are just branches of The Fat Cat Party.
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    Post  arpakola on Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:07 pm

    What could the next Junta offensive against Novorussia look like?
    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.gr/2014/10/what-could-next-junta-offensive-against.html

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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #9 - Page 22 PUTIN
    The latest hot topic in the Russian media. Russian politicians are talking about it. Historical precedent and behavior of Western media suggests that they are.

    A major topic in the Russian media is mystification with how Putin is portrayed in the Western media.

    Wildly popular at home, and seen as a decent, modest, an admirable person, and Russians don't understand how there can be such a disconnect with Western impressions.

    Recently, leading Russian commentators and politicians have been suggesting that this can only be explained by a deliberate campaign to defame Putin, by governments or other groups.

    Yesterday, at a briefing to foreign journalists, Sergey Ivanov, Putin's chief of staff, arguably the 2nd most powerful man in Russia, spoke of an "information war" consisting of "personal attacks" on Putin.
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    Post  arpakola on Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:21 pm



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    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:05 pm

    Ah yes Russia is at the gate of NATO... because NATO move the gate toward Russia. Laughing
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:09 pm

    I take it that was the NATO head that stated Russia is moving towards NATO's borders about a month ago?

    Yeah, guy has issues with Geography. Common issue with Americans.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:19 pm

    The West need to read and memorize this poem.

    The great Yevgeny Yevtushenko had already explained how and why Russia only want PEACE. But it seems like the war-mongers do not have the ability to understand.

    Хотят ли русские войны?
    Спросите вы у тишины
    над ширью пашен и полей
    и у берез и тополей.
    Спросите вы у тех солдат,
    что под березами лежат,
    и пусть вам скажут их сыны,
    хотят ли русские войны.

    Не только за свою страну
    солдаты гибли в ту войну,
    а чтобы люди всей земли
    спокойно видеть сны могли.
    Под шелест листьев и афиш
    ты спишь, Нью-Йорк, ты спишь, Париж.
    Пусть вам ответят ваши сны,
    хотят ли русские войны.

    Да, мы умеем воевать,
    но не хотим, чтобы опять
    солдаты падали в бою
    на землю грустную свою.
    Спросите вы у матерей,
    спросите у жены моей,
    и вы тогда понять должны,
    хотят ли русские войны.
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:42 pm

    The News Agency 1+1 of the jewish Oligarch Kolomoisky has shown in Ukrainian TV that the turn out of the election participation was everywhere 99.9%.

    Here the joke of propaganda.

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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:03 pm

    I doubt the people will believe that horsemanure.
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:05 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I doubt the people will believe that horsemanure.

    Some actually believe that what ukrainian oligarch TV tells them like Russia has nuked ukrainian soil with ICBMs.
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    Post  Mike E on Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:16 pm

    Werewolf wrote:The News Agency 1+1 of the jewish Oligarch Kolomoisky has shown in Ukrainian TV that the turn out of the election participation was everywhere 99.9%.
    Not all Ukrianian MSM sites are spewing that crap though. Kyivpost says that the turnout was 52%, not like that is great..... 



    I doubt anyone believes that myself, and those who do are either devoted-sheep or just a statistical outlier, which every country has. 


    On a side note... Wasn't the turnout in both of the Donbass area referendums higher than that? - So much for "illegitimate" referendums!
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:18 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:The News Agency 1+1 of the jewish Oligarch Kolomoisky has shown in Ukrainian TV that the turn out of the election participation was everywhere 99.9%.
    Not all Ukrianian MSM sites are spewing that crap though. Kyivpost says that the turnout was 52%, not like that is great..... 



    I doubt anyone believes that myself, and those who do are either devoted-sheep or just a statistical outlier, which every country has. 


    On a side note... Wasn't the turnout in both of the Donbass area referendums higher than that? - So much for "illegitimate" referendums!

    Turnout in Crimea was significantly higher than both.

    Seeing how the votes so far are around 22% between the two parties, this is rather pretty pathetic.
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    Post  Mike E on Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:30 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:The News Agency 1+1 of the jewish Oligarch Kolomoisky has shown in Ukrainian TV that the turn out of the election participation was everywhere 99.9%.
    Not all Ukrianian MSM sites are spewing that crap though. Kyivpost says that the turnout was 52%, not like that is great..... 



    I doubt anyone believes that myself, and those who do are either devoted-sheep or just a statistical outlier, which every country has. 


    On a side note... Wasn't the turnout in both of the Donbass area referendums higher than that? - So much for "illegitimate" referendums!

    Turnout in Crimea was significantly higher than both.

    Seeing how the votes so far are around 22% between the two parties, this is rather pretty pathetic.
    I mean Donbass, but Crimea's referendum (which was "illegitimate" according to the West) is a good example nonetheless.

    Yep, and it shows a large division between Ukrainian civilians, which means only one thing, chaos is coming.... Sad to see that the Right Sector and Svoboda got so many votes, though it was expected. All options in this "election" are corrupted and owned by the West anyway, so to me the results make no difference (like the elections here in the US).
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:33 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:The News Agency 1+1 of the jewish Oligarch Kolomoisky has shown in Ukrainian TV that the turn out of the election participation was everywhere 99.9%.
    Not all Ukrianian MSM sites are spewing that crap though. Kyivpost says that the turnout was 52%, not like that is great..... 



    I doubt anyone believes that myself, and those who do are either devoted-sheep or just a statistical outlier, which every country has. 


    On a side note... Wasn't the turnout in both of the Donbass area referendums higher than that? - So much for "illegitimate" referendums!

    Turnout in Crimea was significantly higher than both.

    Seeing how the votes so far are around 22% between the two parties, this is rather pretty pathetic.
    I mean Donbass, but Crimea's referendum (which was "illegitimate" according to the West) is a good example nonetheless.

    Yep, and it shows a large division between Ukrainian civilians, which means only one thing, chaos is coming.... Sad to see that the Right Sector and Svoboda got so many votes, though it was expected. All options in this "election" are corrupted and owned by the West anyway, so to me the results make no difference (like the elections here in the US).

    Where my family comes from in Ukraine, I am not surprised. I like listening to my father regarding this as he is the word of wisdom in my family, and let me tell you, he is sick to his stomach in regards to Ukraine. Cannot say I am surprised because when anyone asks me, I just say Russian entirely, as I am ashamed of my heritage after this whole ordeal.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:04 am

    The 52% turnout is highly dubious. There was a massive surge of voting after sunset on a Sunday! One can see such a spike
    in votes on a week day but not on the freaking weekend. Most people would rather watch TV anyway and it is unlikely they
    would miss their dose of entertainment when they had the chance to vote in the morning and afternoon.

    Another but of tin foil hattery is that Yantsenyuk got his votes via outright ballot stuffing.

    http://www.politnavigator.net/soratnik-strelkova-vybory-v-kieve-sfalsificirovany-ssha-v-polzu-yacenyuka.html

    So there will be a push for a military solution to the Donbas problem.

    I hope the rebels send them fleeing and this time there should be no truce until Kharkhov down to Odessa are liberated.
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    Post  Mike E on Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:30 am

    kvs wrote:The 52% turnout is highly dubious.  There was a massive surge of voting after sunset on a Sunday!   One can see such a spike
    in votes on a week day but not on the freaking weekend.  Most people would rather watch TV anyway and it is unlikely they
    would miss their dose of entertainment when they had the chance to vote in the morning and afternoon.

    Another but of tin foil hattery is that Yantsenyuk got his votes via outright ballot stuffing.

    http://www.politnavigator.net/soratnik-strelkova-vybory-v-kieve-sfalsificirovany-ssha-v-polzu-yacenyuka.html

    So there will be a push for a military solution to the Donbas problem.

    I hope the rebels send them fleeing and this time there should be no truce until Kharkhov down to Odessa are liberated.
    True, though the 52% turnout is pretty conservative as is... I doubt that Ukraine would keep the turnout so low if the elections were a fake (they were in a way). 

    That I don't doubt at all... Yatz has been a corrupted puppet the whole time, and seems to be pretty desperate to get control of their parliament. I have no clue how Peoples' Front could beat the candy makers' party, as Yatz hasn't really done anything! Plus, Poroshenko won by a landslide in the presidential election, so IMHO things don't look right...
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    Post  kvs on Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:26 am

    The initial low turnout numbers for regions such as Odessa are consistent with the situation on the ground. There is no
    guerrilla war there but people are engaged in passive resistance. So 28% for Odessa is about right. I also cannot take
    seriously the turnouts for Donetsk and Lugansk. There is no way that 1/3 of the eligible voters live in the regime occupied
    territory. There could not be even 20% eligible voters there assuming that none of them have fled. But they have actually
    fled and for example in Slaviansk there is almost no one left (thanks to all the shelling a large chunk of the housing is
    trashed).

    Anyway, there was already an established due process in Ukraine as of late 2013. The Maidan retards who actually believed
    that the association agreement is a plan for EU membership do not get to decide for everyone else what government there
    is. The only legitimate way is through the ballot box. The current election is a farce because it is staged by a coup regime.
    This is like the election in Chechnya after 1996 and the election in Kosovo. In Ukraine at least 50% of the electorate was
    disenfranchised by the coup. The other less than 50% does not get to decide for them. This is not a simple case of low
    turnout in the USA or Canada. This is like having Texas vote in place of California or Quebec vote in place of Ontario.
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:05 am

    kvs wrote:The initial low turnout numbers for regions such as Odessa are consistent with the situation on the ground.  There is no
    guerrilla war there but people are engaged in passive resistance.   So 28% for Odessa is about right.  I also cannot take
    seriously the turnouts for Donetsk and Lugansk.   There is no way that 1/3 of the eligible voters live in the regime occupied
    territory.   There could not be even 20% eligible voters there assuming that none of them have fled.  But they have actually
    fled and for example in Slaviansk there is almost no one left (thanks to all the shelling a large chunk of the housing is
    trashed).  

    Anyway, there was already an established due process in Ukraine as of late 2013.   The Maidan retards who actually believed
    that the association agreement is a plan for EU membership do not get to decide for everyone else what government there
    is.   The only legitimate way is through the ballot box.   The current election is a farce because it is staged by a coup regime.
    This is like the election in Chechnya after 1996 and the election in Kosovo.   In Ukraine at least 50% of the electorate was
    disenfranchised by the coup.   The other less than 50% does not get to decide for them.   This is not a simple case of low
    turnout in the USA or Canada.   This is like having Texas vote in place of California or Quebec vote in place of Ontario.    

    Well, throwing politicians into garbage cans, banning other parties whom are not pro EU from being in elections.... This is the indication that this whole thing was a farce.
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    Post  Asf on Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:17 am

    The 52% turnout is highly dubious

    Poroshenko's and Yatsenyuk's parties got around the same 25% - this is the strange thing indeed. Looks like they just divided chairs
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    Post  medo on Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:15 pm

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    Novorussian army claim, they shot down Ukrainian UAV, which is actually Orlan-10 UAV. Anyone know, if Ukrainian army obtain Orlan-10 UAVs or this is more likely Russian UAV? If Ukraine actually buy some of Orlan UAVs, they could easily shot some of them and claim they are Russian UAVs.
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    Post  medo on Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:43 pm

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    Novorussian army is still growing. Very Happy
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    Post  kvs on Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:05 pm

    medo wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #9 - Page 22 4000010

    Novorussian army is still growing. Very Happy

    Very good news! I hope voentorg keeps up and the Banderite vermin get an ass kicking that will be recorded in the history books.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:45 am

    Novorussia will have to stand their ground and be prepared for anything. At this point, they should concentrate on rebuilding their territories, even if it means that they have to work with smaller nations that are not recognized like South Ossetia and Abkhazia. I can bet that there are more countries besides Russia, willing to work with Novorussia. And it is these countries they need to look at in order to obtain funding and assistance in re-development. Doing so, will win the hearts of the people, as well as possibly strengthen their position.
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