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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:52 pm

    In and of itself no biggie, its just some limited effectiveness missiles on a patrol ship that should never need to fire one.

    I think you rather underestimate the effectiveness of modern MANPADS.

    With the ships radar and onboard EO systems all over the place as well as those mounted on the launcher itself the situational awareness for the ship is actually pretty good, and for late model MANPADS like Igla-S and Verba... these missiles are actually rather capable even against tiny targets because they have proximity fuses and therefore don't need to make actual contact with the target like previous missiles with contact and graze fuses.

    With suitable warning from radar the missile pointed in the correct direction it can be very effective at bringing down all sorts of threats and targets.

    As mentioned it can also launch older cheaper ATGMs like Ataka, but how long before they add missiles like Sosna or Krisantema?

    It is a relatively cheap and simple but also effective system.
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:23 am

    Ataka is just fine as it is.
    This ship is a coastal guard. They will not fight enemy major combattants, but speedboats or small smuggler/terrorist "mosquito fleet" ( Twisted Evil ).
    9M120 is a very universal missile.
    It has a version with F marking, stating to "fugasnaya" - incendiary, with HE/thermobaric warhead, and a 9M220 variant, with extending rod warhead and proximity fuse. It can defeat armored helos, small vessels, and due to proximity fuse, it can be used against fast-moving targets.
    The only disadvantage is the range, which would be below 6km when launched from a ship or another land carrier.
    Inexpensive, fast, and with a variety of warheads. Perfect.
    And sure they can use more sophisticated missiles, if needed and decided ...

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    Post  hoom Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:56 am

    I think you rather underestimate the effectiveness of modern MANPADS.
    Not intended as a slight on the quality of the missile but a statement of its factual limited range compared to serious naval SAMs like 9M96 or Kinzhal/naval Tor

    It carries both Iglas and Ataka and can combine both with one mount.
    I hadn't thought about the surface to surface aspect, yes will give a handy extended range capability (compared to the AK-630) vs small ships/fast boats.
    Even more reason to fill it in through the fleet angel

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    Post  George1 Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:42 am

    Large hydrographic boat "Boris Slobodnik" project 23040G entered the Black Sea Fleet

    https://en.topwar.ru/184201-bolshoj-gidrograficheskij-kater-boris-slobodnik-proekta-23040g-voshel-v-sostav-chernomorskogo-flota.html
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:28 am

    The only disadvantage is the range, which would be below 6km when launched from a ship or another land carrier.

    6km is safe from RPG or small arms fire range but not so far away you can't properly identify the target.

    It is accurate enough that its relatively small warhead would be quite effective, and it moves at a much faster pace than western ATGMs of a similar age... most of which were wire draggers.

    Optical defence systems wont stop it and nor will smoke screens if you use radar detection of the target to direct the missile using radio command guidance... which most pirate vessels would not be able to do.

    The new Pine missile has a range of 10km but it being delayed to extend the range to about 20km presumably with a new more powerful rocket booster and improved optics, but it uses laser beam riding guidance which might be effected by sea mist or other atmospheric conditions.

    You have to keep in mind the conditions these systems will be used in... shturm and ataka are cheap off the shelf solutions but later on they can be replaced as they already been replaced on land (Krisantema) and soon in the air (various missiles), they will remain useful because they were rather cheap and produced in enormous numbers.
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    Post  franco Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:50 pm

    Seabed scout: "Vladimir Kozitsky" will help "Varshavyanka" to sink NATO destroyers

    Hydrographic vessels and boats, which are in service with the Russian Navy, are difficult to rank among warships - neither guns, nor missiles and torpedoes, but their importance cannot be underestimated, like any other auxiliary vessels of the fleet. Cruisers, destroyers, and even submarines, and even more so without a hydrograph - as without hands, or rather without eyes that scan the seabed and clearly give out depths and obstacles.

    Now the Black Sea Fleet has received a new large hydrographic boat (BGK) "Vladimir Kozitsky", on which the St. Andrew's flag was solemnly raised in the Novorossiysk naval base.

    Just a week earlier, the Black Sea Fleet received a similar BGK Boris Slobodnik. This testifies to the increased demand for naval hydrographs, including in the Black Sea, which, it would seem, has been studied along and across, but there are still secrets, "black holes" on the seabed here. And this is primarily due to the activity of Russian diesel-electric submarines of the Varshavyanka project in the Black Sea Fleet, which need a detailed location in order to know where to dive and where to swim.

    Actually, initially, hydrographic vessels and boats as part of the Soviet Navy were required for research in the seas and oceans in order to ensure the navigation of submarines in remote areas of the World Ocean. As part of the same Black Sea Fleet, the 422nd division of hydrographic vessels was created (similar units also existed in other fleets), which explored not only the near water area. For example, the hydrographic vessel "Stvor" (built in 1983, Polish shipyard in Gdansk), still in service, with a displacement of 2500 tons, has an autonomy of 40 days and is capable of making a sea voyage with a range of up to 8000 nautical miles.

    On board such a vessel there is everything you need to conduct hydrographic research, which allows you to make route measurements and depth measurements, measure the temperature of the water in different layers (such information is also necessary for the commander of the submarine). There are also two hydrographic survey boats, which are launched for more detailed studies, for example, of the reef zone, when the vessel itself is at anchor. In addition to "Stvor" in the composition of the hydrographic service of the Black Sea Fleet, there was one more similar one - "Donuzlav". Now the detachment of hydrographers was replenished with "Boris Slobodnik" and "Vladimir Kozitsky".

    By the way, both Vladimir Nikolaevich Kozitsky and Slobodnik Boris Davidovich , whose names were given to new large hydrographic boats, were participants in the Great Patriotic War, have military awards and, as it is easy to assume, headed the Hydrographic Service of the Black Sea Fleet in different years. So BGK got decent names.

    The new hydrographic boats of Project 23040 G are, of course, difficult to rank among the ships of the far sea zone. The Russian Navy has already received five such "crooks" for submarines, which left the stocks of the shipyard "Nizhegorodsky Teplokhod".

    BGK were built according to the project 23040 - an emergency rescue boat, which is also called a raid diving boat. Its displacement is about 118 tons and it is not capable of going on a large ocean wave. Nevertheless, the boat found application not only in the Black Sea and Baltic fleets and the Caspian flotilla, but also in the "serious" Northern and Pacific fleets. In the hydrographic version, it is also present in the entire Russian Navy. It's all about the "stuffing" of the hydrograph.

    BGK project 23040 G is intended for high-precision area survey of the daytime relief and survey of navigation hazards at depths of up to 400 meters and bottom relief survey at depths of up to 2000 meters. By the way, the maximum depth of the Black Sea is 2 210 meters, and the maximum diving depth for submarines of the Varshavyanka project, for which the hydrographs will “feel” the bottom, is 300 meters (240 is considered optimal).

    BGK is designed to service all types of floating warning signs (FWS), setting / filming FWS up to 1.7 tons and length up to 6.5 meters. It can be used to deliver personnel, food, spare parts and repair teams to coastal aids to navigation equipment, navigation and hydrographic support of rescue and search operations. The boat is also capable of carrying out pilotage and liquidation of submarines and large-tonnage ships at bases and on approaches to them.

    In recent years, the hydrographic fleet of the Russian Navy has been both updated and replenished with new ships. True, most of the small class. In addition to the mentioned BGK project 23040 G "Boris Slobodnik" and "Vladimir Kozitsky", which are now part of the Black Sea Fleet, two small hydrographic vessels of project 19910, large hydrographic boats of project 19929, large hydrographic boats of project 23370 G. of New Ocean Hydrographs, were also built. as the aforementioned "Stvora" and "Donuzlav" (project 862 / P) in the Black Sea Fleet, they are not currently being produced. And those that are still in service were built in the 1980s in Poland.

    A total of 18 hydrographic vessels of project 862 were built. Now the Russian Navy has eight - three in the Baltic, two each in the Northern and Black Sea fleets and one more in the Pacific. There, by the way, the hydrographic vessel "Marshal Gelovani" took part in a long voyage, which was made by a group of Pacific Fleet ships to the Hawaiian Islands. The participation is understandable - the vessel is equipped with two Don radars, a Rumb radio direction finder, and equipment for bathythermographic, meteorological and chemical-hydrological observations.

    This is the general current trend of the entire Russian Navy - we are building small-class ships, but with great potential. It is likely that project 23040 G also has some exceptional features in the field of hydrography. And if in the same Black Sea it will accurately carry out its tasks and lay underwater routes for the "Varshavyanka", then already in the Mediterranean with its depths up to 5120 meters and storms, as, for example, in January 2020, when the height of the waves of the storm Gloria in the region Valencia was 8 meters, it is simply dangerous for such a BGK to be.

    https://svpressa-ru.translate.goog/war21/article/301814/?utm_source=warfiles.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=ajax,se

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:33 am

    Tracking ship Marshall Krylov receiving a new main radar array. Not exactly news, but an interesting pic and one I haven't seen before.

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    Post  franco Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:38 am

    The Baltic Fleet received the latest high-speed landing craft

    In the city of Primorsk, Kaliningrad Region, a solemn ritual of the first raising of the Russian Navy flag on the latest high-speed landing boats took place.

    According to the information support department of the ZVO press service for the Baltic Fleet, Project 02510 boats of the BK-16 type were built for the Baltic Fleet at the Rybinsk Shipyard. They successfully passed the program of factory running and state tests, during which the crews and the factory team checked all the systems and weapons of the boats.

    After that, the state selection committee signed acts on the acceptance of boats from the manufacturer into the Russian Navy. Landing boats were included in the combat composition of the Baltic Fleet by order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy.

    The ceremony was attended by representatives of the command and servicemen of the Baltic Fleet. Rear Admiral Oleg Apishev, Deputy Chief of the Main Staff of the Russian Navy, handed over the Andreevskie flags to the boat commanders. Then the flags were raised at the stern of the combat units of the fleet to the sound of the Russian national anthem.

    The purpose of the project 02510 high-speed transport and landing boats is the transfer and landing of troops, their fire support, participation in anti-sabotage operations, the fight against piracy and terrorism. Also BK-16 transport light loads and take part in rescue operations.

    The boats are armed with a remotely controlled combat module developed by the Kalashnikov concern. The module has armor protection against 7.62 caliber bullets of the B-32 type and is gyro-stabilized along two axes, which increases its firing accuracy during rolling.

    https://rg.ru/2021/07/15/reg-szfo/baltijskij-flot-poluchil-novejshie-vysokoskorostnye-desantnye-katera.html

    NOTE: appears to have been 2 new boats out of a reported order of 10 such craft. The 02510 is a smaller version of the 03160 Raptor.

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    Post  George1 Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:41 am

    Another project 21980 anti-sabotage boat was laid down in Rybinsk

    July 17th, 3:32
    On July 15, 2021, at the Vympel Shipyard JSC (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC) in Rybinsk (Yaroslavl Region), the laying ceremony for the next project 21980 anti-sabotage boat (Grachonok code) with the serial number was held for the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy. 01229. This is the ninth boat of project 21980 under construction in Rybinsk - earlier the Vympel shipyard built four boats of this type for the Northern Fleet and four for the Federal Service of the National Guard of the Russian Federation (Rosgvardia). Overall, this is the 28th boat of this type.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:13 pm

    Another project 21980 anti-sabotage boat was laid down in Rybinsk

    One more pic from that link, that better shows the other vessels in the hall:

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    A pair of Pr.12418 missile boats (suspended due to lack of diesel engines angry ) and the (big red) Pr.20360M Vladimir Pyalov, an armaments support ship.

    The 2nd pic posted by George1 also showed the Pr.19910 Yakov Lapushkin" hydrographic vessel.

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