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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #8

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    Post  arpakola Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:45 pm

    More man are joining Novarussia armed forces


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    Rebels got back their T-72B3.


    with beutifful nasty T-72B3 whit Sosna-U sight and Thales thermal camera ??

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    Post  arpakola Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:37 pm

    Video from helmet camera, rebel found it on the dead body of ukrainian national gard after fight with Asov Brigade
    (you can hear english speaking merc..)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG_oX-TtXRM
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    Post  arpakola Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:47 pm

    Donetsk after artillery shelling of ukrainian army at 09.15.2014, warning grafics 18+
    graphic WARNING..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmkAR5OWSJc

    http://www.zougla.gr/assets/images/400x300/1501460.jpg


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    Post  sepheronx Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:49 pm

    Werent white lines shown on Ukrainian military equipment?

    Anyway, awesome footage. Although, still think giving t72b3 to rebels is dumb since it would be better in Russian services (not a cheap upgrade).
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    Post  arpakola Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:07 pm

    cleansing Bandeirstanis position in Shaktersk



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    Post  arpakola Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:33 pm

    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com

    http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com

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    Post  Vann7 Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:26 pm

    So .... where is the Russian maidan.. inmediately after elections.?  lol1


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    The guy is a story teller.. is a fool that enjoys scaring people and get peoples attention..unfortunately this is not rare.. actually there are people addicted to invent stories. .The weird thing is that they look as if they really believe in the bullshit they claim.  lol1

    I have seen people like that.. they simply love attention and to look smart . Is a phenomenon in human conduct in some people.. that simply love to fabricate cool stories in order to feel special. He predicted an Euromaidan in Russia and a civil war and that Putin will be kicked from power. Rolling Eyes

    The best part was when he knew how every detail ,even how police will react. But the cake was his prediction of USA attacking Russia in 2015 with a nuclear weapon. Why Russia have an FSB when you have fedorov that knows so much. thumbsup  

    Even saker commented ..here is what he told on his new blog about him..

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.se



    My comments about Fedorov are eliciting some dismay.  Sorry friends, I call it as I see it.  So I would like to re-post here a comment I made yesterday: Fedorov and I probably agree on most goals and values, we are definitely on the "same side of the barricade", but I cannot say that I am impressed by his analyses which I find superficial and, no offense intended, simplistic. He does a lot of good stuff, with the Duma for example, and I have nothing against him, but he is does have a tendency to go into a "panic mode" which I don't like. Now, he is WAAAY better then Dugin, but both have this tendency to go "the house is burning! the house is burning!" when was it needed is slow, painstaking and meticulous daily work towards the goal.  You might wonder whose analyses about the Ukraine I like most: Sergei Glazev's.  Nikolai Starikov is often also very good.

    Now for the people wondering who is Dugin ,that Sakers says Federov is better.. is a professor of moscow
    who was calling for the invasion of Crimea way back in 2008. and the take over of Georgia completely in the
    south ossetian war. He wants Russia to join forces with IRAN and fight their way to stop USA domination of the world. Smile I don't think he is naive.. he is just brutally practical and simplistic.. Fedorov in the other hand is a story teller.

    here is an interview with Dugin by bbc for bored people..
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28229785




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    Post  etaepsilonk Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:03 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Werent white lines shown on Ukrainian military equipment?

    Anyway, awesome footage. Although, still think giving t72b3 to rebels is dumb since it would be better in Russian services (not a cheap upgrade).


    New gen tanks are coming soon anyway. And, if really needed, some T-90s can be bought, since production's still going.
    Think of donbas as one very efficient arms disposal facility Wink

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    Lol, Kiev protesters throw rada deputy into rubbish bin Laughing


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    Post  Firebird Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:03 pm

    What a load of fuckwits there are in Kiev.

    The Resistance are told to hand in their weapons or else..
    All P of the Regions politicians are banned.
    No-one will be charged for crimes during the wars (assume that includes war crimes).
    Hohols announce association agreement with the Kiev.
    Shite Sektor intimidating people in WankerMaidan Square.

    And at the same time, supposedly some limited autonomy for Lug and Donetsk.

    I wonder what Donbass, Kharkov and all of Novorossiya think of this shit...

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    Post  Mike E Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:Are you guys talking about that shaped piece of glass on the arm above the heavy machine gun?

    That is an old prismatic sight in Soviet service for half a century...
    Figured! Thanks for confirming!  Very Happy
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    Post  Mike E Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:35 pm

    NationalRus wrote:on the destroyed BTR pic you can see it CLEARLY its a BTR-82, why keep on deyning it, im actaully quite happy that we get some stuff trough to them, proves the fifth-column didnt taken over russia yet completly

    here good quality
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    its ther, or was ther if it was only this one which got destroyed, and you might take out a tinfoil hat if you try to say tht a brand new BTR-82 which is not even in great nummbers in the russian army itself "accidentaly" got lost and ended up in donbass
    Looks like any BTR-80 to me... The turret is somewhat suspicious, but who knows.
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    Post  Mike E Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:36 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:The AA toy model has a twin 57mm cannon, isn't it ?

    Yep, it appears so!
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    Post  Mike E Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:37 pm

    Firebird wrote:I wonder if old tunnels are operational from Soviet times. Connected to the Donbass mines.. or not.

    Would be funny for Willy Wanker of the Chocolate Factory to build a giant wall along the border. And then a load of cutting edge mil tech to appear from nowhere for the Resistance ..! : D
    Probably a yes and no question... Like all abandoned tunnels, some will remain and others will collapse.
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    Post  NationalRus Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:08 am

    Looks like any BTR-80 to me... The turret is somewhat suspicious, but who knows.

    it doesnt look like anything, it is a BTR-82, when i see a abrams tank i dont say it "looks like a abrams kind of tank" i say its a abrams
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:20 am

    NationalRus wrote:
    Looks like any BTR-80 to me... The turret is somewhat suspicious, but who knows.

    it doesnt look like anything, it is a BTR-82, when i see a abrams tank i dont say it "looks like a abrams kind of tank" i say its a abrams
    No, it doesn't.... It appears to be a variant of a -80 and nothing more.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:27 am

    Mike E wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    Looks like any BTR-80 to me... The turret is somewhat suspicious, but who knows.

    it doesnt look like anything, it is a BTR-82, when i see a abrams tank i dont say it "looks like a abrams kind of tank" i say its a abrams
    No, it doesn't.... It appears to be a variant of a -80 and nothing more.

    I just had to chime in.

    Are your eyes not working, or are you honestly that far in denial?

    This is incredibly entertaining to read, but honestly:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/BTR-82A_%281%29.jpg/1280px-BTR-82A_%281%29.jpg

    BTR-82 @ the plant in Russia. What is noticeable? The new sight under the gun. No other BTR variant has that.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/BTR-80A%281%29.JPG

    Good old BTR-80A. Note there is no big, new boxy sight right under the turret. And the IR projector is totally different. Also, note the different in the metal plates on the front face of the turret.

    And now, the seperatist BTR:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvK5KtiCUAAsUMU.png:large

    HMMMMM. Looks AWFUL similar, in terms of all 3 recognition features, among others.

    Now the real question is:
    1.) Can you not be bothered to take 5 seconds to research the vehicles in question?
    2.) Can you not compare the vehicles and come to the same conclusion anyone with two functioning eyes can?
    3.) Are you just in forceful, willful denial?

    Given the T-72B3 denial in this thread, I would say all 3 apply.



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    Post  NationalRus Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:33 am

    Mike E wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    Looks like any BTR-80 to me... The turret is somewhat suspicious, but who knows.

    it doesnt look like anything, it is a BTR-82, when i see a abrams tank i dont say it "looks like a abrams kind of tank" i say its a abrams
    No, it doesn't.... It appears to be a variant of a -80 and nothing more.

    BTR-82 front hull? = check! TKN-4GA-02 = check!  2A72? =check! production = ФГУП Tula, Russia http://www.kbptula.ru/index.php/en/productions/small-arms-guns-grenade-launchers/guns-machine-guns/2a72 other facilietys for production = none existent, in ukraine? = none existent, sails of them to ukraine = none existent, production of the same turrent or ГШ cannons in other countrys = none existent, sales of them to other countrys in europe in that form = none existent

    stop being delusional, its not even a bad thing
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    Post  onwiththewar Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:40 am

    Hey isn't it a known truth that Russian para military are in there?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbass#Vostok_Battalion

    "Vostok reportedly includes members of the original Vostok Battalion, a special forces unit of the Russian intelligence directorate (GRU) that participated in the Second Chechen and Russo-Georgian Wars. "

    Why is it a surprise then to see Russian hardware there, if the Vostoks actually own them?

    I don't get the logic. Someone enlighten me pls.

    The Cossacks might have some of those too.

    People seem to assume only Russian regular army has those hardware and only Putin is able to send them to Novorossiya, which might be a big assumption.

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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:41 am

    NationalRus wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    Looks like any BTR-80 to me... The turret is somewhat suspicious, but who knows.

    it doesnt look like anything, it is a BTR-82, when i see a abrams tank i dont say it "looks like a abrams kind of tank" i say its a abrams
    No, it doesn't.... It appears to be a variant of a -80 and nothing more.

    BTR-82 front hull? = check! TKN-4GA-02 = check!  2A72? =check! production = ФГУП Tula, Russia http://www.kbptula.ru/index.php/en/productions/small-arms-guns-grenade-launchers/guns-machine-guns/2a72 other facilietys for production = none existent, in ukraine? = none existent, sails of them to ukraine = none existent, production of the same turrent or ГШ cannons in other countrys = none existent, sales of them to other countrys in europe in that form = none existent

    stop being delusional, its not even a bad thing

    Like mentioned earlier, the turret is also very similar to the one found on the -80A. - This is nothing like the B3, which was very convincing in every way.

    "BTR-82 front hull? = check!" Uhhh, BTR's all have very similar hulls, there is very little to no difference in physical appearance.

    I'm not being delusional, like I said, it is not nearly as convincing as the B3. - I'd like to see more Russian action in Uki, but this isn't it!
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:41 am

    onwiththewar wrote:Hey isn't it a known truth that Russian para military are in there?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbass#Vostok_Battalion

    "Vostok reportedly includes members of the original Vostok Battalion, a special forces unit of the Russian intelligence directorate (GRU) that participated in the Second Chechen and Russo-Georgian Wars. "

    Why is it a surprise then to see Russian hardware there, if the Vostoks actually own them?

    I don't get the logic. Someone enlighten me pls.

    The Cossacks might have some of those too.

    People seem to assume only Russian regular army has those hardware and only Putin is able to send them to Novorossiya, which might be a big assumption.


    Wiki as a source? That's a big no=no...
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    Post  onwiththewar Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:46 am

    Mike E wrote:
    onwiththewar wrote:Hey isn't it a known truth that Russian para military are in there?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbass#Vostok_Battalion

    "Vostok reportedly includes members of the original Vostok Battalion, a special forces unit of the Russian intelligence directorate (GRU) that participated in the Second Chechen and Russo-Georgian Wars. "

    Why is it a surprise then to see Russian hardware there, if the Vostoks actually own them?

    I don't get the logic. Someone enlighten me pls.

    The Cossacks might have some of those too.

    People seem to assume only Russian regular army has those hardware and only Putin is able to send them to Novorossiya, which might be a big assumption.


    Wiki as a source? That's a big no=no...

    Well, sir, what's your opinion on the Vostoks then? They seem better trained and better armed, compared to locals such as the "Ghosts" for example.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:48 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    NationalRus wrote:
    Looks like any BTR-80 to me... The turret is somewhat suspicious, but who knows.

    it doesnt look like anything, it is a BTR-82, when i see a abrams tank i dont say it "looks like a abrams kind of tank" i say its a abrams
    No, it doesn't.... It appears to be a variant of a -80 and nothing more.

    I just had to chime in.

    Are your eyes not working, or are you honestly that far in denial?

    This is incredibly entertaining to read, but honestly:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/BTR-82A_%281%29.jpg/1280px-BTR-82A_%281%29.jpg

    BTR-82 @ the plant in Russia. What is noticeable? The new sight under the gun. No other BTR variant has that.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/BTR-80A%281%29.JPG

    Good old BTR-80A. Note there is no big, new boxy sight right under the turret. And the IR projector is totally different. Also, note the different in the metal plates on the front face of the turret.

    And now, the seperatist BTR:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvK5KtiCUAAsUMU.png:large

    HMMMMM. Looks AWFUL similar, in terms of all 3 recognition features, among others.

    Now the real question is:
    1.) Can you not be bothered to take 5 seconds to research the vehicles in question?
    2.) Can you not compare the vehicles and come to the same conclusion anyone with two functioning eyes can?
    3.) Are you just in forceful, willful denial?

    Given the T-72B3 denial in this thread, I would say all 3 apply.




    So, the troll managed to crawl out of his cave, huh?

    I see it wide and clear!

    Once again, WIKI! TR1, are you really as much as a fool to even post a Wiki link here?

    Not going to lie, looks convincing. However, those optic systems wouldn't be hard to mound or install etc. A couple pictures is not nearly enough for anyone, including myself, to make an accurate opinion.

    1) Yes I have, in fact I'm quite fond of the BTR's.

    2) Quite obvious.... I have a question for you... Are you an idiot or a troll, or both? - Not only on this, but on everything else!

    3) Why would I be.

    You must have dementia, cause I was one of the first to say it cam from Russia!
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:49 am

    onwiththewar wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    onwiththewar wrote:Hey isn't it a known truth that Russian para military are in there?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbass#Vostok_Battalion

    "Vostok reportedly includes members of the original Vostok Battalion, a special forces unit of the Russian intelligence directorate (GRU) that participated in the Second Chechen and Russo-Georgian Wars. "

    Why is it a surprise then to see Russian hardware there, if the Vostoks actually own them?

    I don't get the logic. Someone enlighten me pls.

    The Cossacks might have some of those too.

    People seem to assume only Russian regular army has those hardware and only Putin is able to send them to Novorossiya, which might be a big assumption.


    Wiki as a source? That's a big no=no...

    Well, sir, what's your opinion on the Vostoks then? They seem better trained and better armed, compared to locals such as the "Ghosts" for example.

    Just another volunteer group, they are all over.
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    Post  NationalRus Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:49 am

    onwiththewar wrote:Hey isn't it a known truth that Russian para military are in there?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbass#Vostok_Battalion

    "Vostok reportedly includes members of the original Vostok Battalion, a special forces unit of the Russian intelligence directorate (GRU) that participated in the Second Chechen and Russo-Georgian Wars. "

    Why is it a surprise then to see Russian hardware there, if the Vostoks actually own them?

    I don't get the logic. Someone enlighten me pls.

    The Cossacks might have some of those too.

    People seem to assume only Russian regular army has those hardware and only Putin is able to send them to Novorossiya, which might be a big assumption.


    they named themselfs just like that and seriously they acted in ther first months like a bunch of amateurs, get themselfs killed qoute bad, ther storm of donets airport was a disaster, and yes they have a ot of former military personel, but not to many also...

    vostok battalion in donbass is nothing special, actaully they lost quite lot of military power to other new formed formations

    "BTR-82 front hull? = check!" Uhhh, BTR's all have very similar hulls, there is very little to no difference in physical appearance.

    I'm not being delusional, like I said, it is not nearly as convincing as the B3. - I'd like to see more Russian action in Uki, but this isn't it!

    i give up on you your delusional, similar is not THE SAME, its a big diffrence, and even a BTR-80A is a russian model after the fall of the soviet union which was not bought or exported to ukraine and which ukraine doesnt have, nor does it produce or ever produced the armament which only tula in russia does, ukraine doesnt have this kind of BTR'S or guns, or anything similar! and never had
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    Post  TR1 Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:50 am

    Your comeback is the link source?

    LOL! You are a clown. I don't give a shit if the link was to the US state department. The photos themselves tell anyone who knows anything about armor, all they need to know.
    Sadly, the technical knowledge of most posters on this thread/forum is lacking to put mildly.

    It is a BTR-82A, and there is no alternative explanation aside from tinfoil theories and hopeful thinking (teh Uks modified a BTR-80 to look exactly like the 82 for some reason then lost it to the rebs11!!!).

    I am glad you are not denying it (though honestly, this isn't an achievement) but to post that it is like any other BTR-80 turret...well. What can I say. Baloney.

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