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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #8

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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:56 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    My comparisons with CUba is in the level of militarization.. not on its politics or economy.  ie.. mandatory for every adult to pass a military training. and tanks and military convoys and drills at all times.. With a full monitoring of society.
    I don't know if I can support that... Are you suggesting a police state?
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    Post  fragmachine Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:12 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    My comparisons with CUba is in the level of militarization.. not on its politics or economy.  ie.. mandatory for every adult to pass a military training. and tanks and military convoys and drills at all times.. With a full monitoring of society.
    I don't know if I can support that... Are you suggesting a police state?

    Something in the line of Saudis maybe...



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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:22 pm

    Looks like Moscow talks with Malaysia diplomatic core are going well, only time well tell *fingers crossed*:

    Russia: Malaysian Def Minister "much more relieved" after MH17 talks in Moscow

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    Post  Regular Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:18 pm

    It was shown on Russian TV.
    What Ukrainian tank it is?
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    Post  etaepsilonk Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:35 pm

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    All those vehicles, neatly lined in rows Wink

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    Regular wrote:It was shown on Russian TV.
    What Ukrainian tank it is?

    Must be one of those ukrainian T-72, bought from UVZ.
    The question is, by which ukrainians? Twisted Evil


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    I think who ever made that should swan dive in to a wood chipper.
    Too fast of a death! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    Ah, c'mon, ztz is not that much of a miss compared to some other stuff Wink
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:28 pm

    Yeah, the designer of the "thing" deserves worse than a wood chipper...
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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:41 am

    Poland stops reverse gas flow to Ukraine, Kiev blames Russia
    Ukraine’s state-controlled gas transit company says Poland cut off reverse flows to Ukraine, alleging that a quarter of Russian gas imports to Poland went missing. Gazprom said it continues to supply the same amount of gas as previously.

    Uktransgaz CEO Igor Prokopiv accused Russia of reducing supplies to "disrupt reverse deliveries" from Poland.

    “At 2pm Poland stopped reverse gas flows to Ukraine, which had been in the range of 4 million cubic meters,” Prokopiv told journalists in Kiev on Wednesday. “Today Poland put in an order for 11 million cubic meters a day, and Russia confirmed orders for 7 million cubic meters. Those 4 million cubic meters are our reverse flows.”

    Poland’s state-controlled gas company PGNIG said in a statement Wednesday that deliveries from Russia that traveled through Ukraine and Belarus had been reduced 20 percent on September 8 and 24 percent on September 9. .........
    http://rt.com/business/186792-ukraine-poland-gas-reverse/
    WTF!! Shocked
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:48 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Poland stops reverse gas flow to Ukraine, Kiev blames Russia
    Ukraine’s state-controlled gas transit company says Poland cut off reverse flows to Ukraine, alleging that a quarter of Russian gas imports to Poland went missing. Gazprom said it continues to supply the same amount of gas as previously.

    Uktransgaz CEO Igor Prokopiv accused Russia of reducing supplies to "disrupt reverse deliveries" from Poland.

    “At 2pm Poland stopped reverse gas flows to Ukraine, which had been in the range of 4 million cubic meters,” Prokopiv told journalists in Kiev on Wednesday. “Today Poland put in an order for 11 million cubic meters a day, and Russia confirmed orders for 7 million cubic meters. Those 4 million cubic meters are our reverse flows.”

    Poland’s state-controlled gas company PGNIG said in a statement Wednesday that deliveries from Russia that traveled through Ukraine and Belarus had been reduced 20 percent on September 8 and 24 percent on September 9. .........
    http://rt.com/business/186792-ukraine-poland-gas-reverse/
    WTF!! Shocked

    I don't see what the problem is. Sounds like the Pollacks have increased their demand by 4M m3 so that they could "reverse flow" to Ukraine (which in reality simply means that the Ukies siphon those 4M m3 from the transit volumes) but Gazprom declined to supply the extra. Poland isn't losing anything - Russia is just not facilitating them assisting the Ukies to get around the gas blockade until Kiev agrees to pay their outstanding debts (using IMF money!).

    The moral is simple. Kiev pays what it owes, and pre-pays for future gas deliveries due to their bad credit risk. Poland stops playing funny buggars. Russians fill their pockets with IMF cash Twisted Evil
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    Post  Mike E Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:48 am

    Wow, it is getting even worse! The idiocy and hypocrisy in Kiev is blindingly bad!
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:03 am

    The Ukie navy recent drills in black sea with NATO.. didn't went very well...So sad no NATO warship was close enough to the ukies warship when they test fire their latest secret missile.   lol1

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    Post  Mike E Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:15 am

    Vann7 wrote:The Ukie navy recent drills in black sea with NATO.. didn't went very well...So sad no NATO warship was close enough to the ukies warship when they test fire their latest secret missile.   lol1

    Suckers! Nothing of theirs works any more, and they deserve it!
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    Post  Firebird Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:11 am

    Vann7 wrote:The Ukie navy recent drills in black sea with NATO.. didn't went very well...So sad no NATO warship was close enough to the ukies warship when they test fire their latest secret missile.   lol1


    I'm surprised the hohols didnt send out a press release.
    "Ultra short range bouncing bomb invented" hehehe
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    Post  arpakola Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:52 am

    Vann7 wrote:The Ukie navy recent drills in black sea with NATO.. didn't went very well...So sad no NATO warship was close enough to the ukies warship when they test fire their latest secret missile.   lol1


    this is the new Ukie missile technology .. is called sea hoping, and because of the randomness of the trajectory is difficult to apply counter measures and to hit it.. Very Happy
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    Post  arpakola Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:00 am

    DNR flag-raising in Komsomolsk.


    Ukrainian forces were ambushed in Baranykivka last night, Over 100km outside #Russian territory by partisans


    Putin..
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    Post  arpakola Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:10 am

    Cossacks marching to Donbass:



    Стрелков отказался от 50 тысяч долларов за интервью
    http://lifenews.ru/news/140244

    Эксперты: В Киеве хотят избавиться от добровольческих батальонов
    http://lifenews.ru/news/140226
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    Post  arpakola Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:18 am

    Taking oath of new volunteers who joined the Mechanized Brigade "Prizrak" (Ghost), the army of New Russia. 9.09.2014. Brigade commander - Alexey Mozgovoy.


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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:31 am

    Off topic a bit but love to see the 9 May ceremony in Novorossiya the next year.

    As far as I remember the Kyiv facist have already erased many kinds of ceremony related to the Great Patriotic War and replaced it with the Western ones.

    Ah, by the way the EU postponed the sanction against Russia on the 10 September meeting. Germany wanted to push it, but then severals countries said that they need to wait for more days.

    http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140910/192821709/EU-Postpones-Sanctions-Against-Russia-Hopes-For-De-escalation-of-Ukrainian-Crisis.html

    EU delayed the implementation of sanctions against Russia, hoping that long-term ceasefire in eastern Ukraine will be maintained, a EU diplomatic source told RIA Novosti.

    “Of course, we know that much attention was paid to the fact that we decided to delay implementation of new sanctions. We want to give Russia a chance to show its willingness to be honest and to show that it aims for de-escalation of situation in Ukraine. We want the ceasefire to be real and long-term,” the source said.

    Earlier, Reuters reported that the ambassadors to the European Union countries have failed to reach a decision whether to implement new sanctions against Russia, and will continue discussions on Thursday.

    According to the agency, Germany was pushing for sanctions to be implemented, while several other EU countries wanted to postpone the decision as the ceasefire in eastern Ukraine is holding.

    If the EU countries agree on implementation of new sanctions tomorrow, they could be published in the Official Journal of the European Union on Friday.

    On Monday, the European Union officially adopted a new round of sanctions against Russia over its alleged role in the Ukrainian crisis. The new sanctions list reportedly includes Russia’s Rosneft, Gazpromneft and Transneft energy firms, as well as state-run companies with a turnover of more than $27 billion annually.

    Over the past few months, the United States and the European Union introduced several rounds of targeted sanctions against the Russian economy, unjustifiably blaming Moscow for meddling in Ukraine’s internal affairs.

    As the Ukrainian crisis escalated, the United States persuaded its allies to add Russian individuals and entities to their own blacklists.

    We already know that EU is not eager to take a hard stance against Russia, because the backlash will be really something.
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    Post  arpakola Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:09 pm


    Strelkov's meeting with journalists, LIVE.

    Strelkov says:
    - He left the Donbass not for personal reasons.
    - Rebel's counterattack was planned and he knew about it in advance.
    - In the current situation the Armistice - is a loss for Army of Novorossia .
    - He is against the Armistice and for the war to a victorious end.
    - In the near future Ukraine will break the Armistice and begin to attack.
    - Without Russian military and economic aid Novorossia not win.
    - Defeat Novorossia lead eventually to the collapse of Russia.
    - On the side of the rebels fought and are fighting soldiers of the Russian army, but only as volunteers. On the side of Novorossia no Russian regular army.
    - Boeing was hit by the Ukrainian side or rather to blame Ukraine.
    - He fully supports Putin and is willing to help him in the fight for Novorossia.
    - He has no plans to soon return to Novorossia.
    - He is in Russia to fight against the "Fifth Column", which betrayed Novorossia and leads to the collapse of Russia.
    - He in no case does not claim to be the leader and hero of Novorossia or Russia. His mission is different.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:48 pm

    Wow ...The war  Could potentially change dramatically in the next few days or weeks..
    The kiev junta have announced that will block Russia Gas transit to Europe this friday , An act of war against Russia economy and the kiev nazi armies killed a group of 30 ukraine soldiers who wanted to defect to the Russian
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    BREAKING #Ukraine army has killed 30 of its own soldiers, who reportedly wanted to defect from the army unit located in #Donetsk. #cdnpoli

    #Ukraine banning the transit of #Russia natural gas to #Europe starting Friday is. for all intense and purposes, an act of war.

    #EU agrees to introduce new sanctions on #Russia http://bigstory.ap.org/article/eu-agrees-introduce-new-sanctions-russia …


    And finally Europe giving up to the demands of Mr Exceptionalism in the white house..
    What this means? Not really good news for Russia economy. So the strategy of Ukraine is simply to Force Russia into an all out war against them..only way to restore the pipeline transit is removing from power the kiev junta and poroshenko , So russia to restore the Gas to europe will have to nothing the less than virtually conquer all Ukraine by Force..take control of the pipelines.. (not a good idea ,specially without Europe support) and restore its energy. So Russia will depend on the south Stream pipeline that also was blocked.All southern nations in Europe will suffer for Poroshenko ban on energy. So if i were Russia ,i will try to get consensus from Europe as much countries possible to restore order either by diplomatic ways ideally ,by total isolating Ukraine from Europe and no European association or anything given. or simply by using force...  Poroshenko last move is basically pushing a direct hit to Russian economy and forcing Russia to invade not only eastern ukraine but a total invasion. Which i don't think Russia will do specially if Europe will be ready to submit to US anyway. The major problem Russia will face in Ukraine if invade is that the Nazis in power ,the oligarch leading the war have already expressed they intention to blow up nuclear reactors (there is one in DOnetsk) if novorossiya move beyond Donetsk or Lugansk. So literary all Ukraine is hostage of a Criminal Government and will the full silence and complicity of Europe. What i will do? definitively Russia needs political help from Europe.. only them can solve the conflict in Ukraine and pressure kiev a problem that they helped to create by overthrowing Yakunovych.  IT doesn't make sense a full scale Invasion to Ukraine if the EU will be ready to commit suicide and stop all trading with Russia. If i were putin i will try to lure away Bulgaria from the EU or greece and give them something big in change. Once one nation move away ,many others will do..that will totally destroy the unity of the EU.. and force them to remove the kiev junta from power or face the destruction of the EU. All said before Russian army can invade Novorrossiya forces need to take full control of the the surrounding around the nuclear reactor.. up to 50km away of it ,so the mission of the Russian airforce will be fully aimed to destroy any artillery position or air defense near the nuclear reactor..  Still is a risky move ,
    Russia needs to counter Kiev sabotage with sabotage to their economy ,totally collapse theirs to pressure the lazy ass bastards ukrainians to overthrow their government to end the war.


    Last but not least.. The people saying Strelkov was killed.. Wink

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    Look at the photo that Streelkov have behind him.. in the conference he gave recently.  Very Happy  
    He told that Novorrosiya was betrayed by the 5th column not by Putin and that he will be ready to help Russia
    to restore order in Ukraine .


    And finally a powerful message for all the Americans and Europeans and its colonies..ie NATO/EU that could save the entire planet and fix their governments. The man that liberated India from the British empire.

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    Post  Vann7 Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:43 am

    T-64 mods that the Kharkov factory in Ukraine is producing.. T-64B1M  :lol  

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    and they are sending them to the ukrainian Army.. So the believe that Ukraine cannot do Copies of B3s in regular
    T-72s  or that looks like them becomes smaller and smaller by the time. Wink



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    Post  Mike E Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:56 am

    So export models bound for Congo are "upgrades"? Those Ukrianians sure have a good sense of humor!
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:15 am

    The kiev junta is preparing to start a chemical attack on mass scale.. Probably they will be trying dangerous chemical either on a false flag attack .. at the level of MH17 plane.. or to use the chemicals against the Rebels in combat.
    2 buses with dangerous chemicals were saw in Slavyansk recently by the nazy army.. in prepartions for something
    they have planned.

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    http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/139983-donetsk-ucranianos-trasladan-sustancias-quimicas

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    If i was Putin i will supply all the rebels with basic mask to protect against chemicals and also glasses.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:03 am

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/redrawing-the-map-of-the-russia-federation-partitioning-russia-after-world-war-iii/5400748

    If Russia is not careful, especially about Syria and Ukraine, they know they will be next. Partitioning of Russia is what many want. They want a weak and incapable Russia where they cannot project any power anymore, and lose their spot in the world. This is very dangerous and Putin is treading a fine line by his very weak support of the rebels and Syria. He should have allowed S-300's to be sent to Syria. He should have sent advisers to Syria. He should be sending more advanced equipment to the rebels in Ukraine. He should be looking to expand to Venezuela and Cuba, improving their economies and military. By sitting around and not doing so, Russia may eventually face major problems with separatism from the 5th column. If this becomes reality, then Russians will face so many issues, that it wont be funny.

    Doesn't even require WWIII. It just requires the Russian government not doing anything, like they are currently doing, in order to cause this issue. Instead, they should ban all foreign NGO's and force out any banks that deal with outside NGO clients.
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