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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #8

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    Post  Mike E Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:27 pm

    Look at this drill in Crimea;



    Is that the Iskander cruise missile variant? - Nevermind, it is a coastal defense system...


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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:30 pm

    cracker wrote:Some recent posts from MP

    "Azov photos from Norvegian TV2 channel"
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    Suspect Suspect
    Yeah, this Cease fire isn't last long. No
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:33 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    cracker wrote:Some recent posts from MP

    "Azov photos from Norvegian TV2 channel"
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    Suspect Suspect
    Yeah, this Cease fire isn't last long. No


    TR1 and Flyingdutchgurl would still say there are no nazis in Ukraine...all Kreml propaganda.
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    Post  Mike E Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:35 pm

    We all *know* that the Nazis are just made up! lol1
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:37 pm

    Mike E wrote:Look at this drill in Crimea;



    Is that the Iskander cruise missile variant?

    Looks like Bastion-P Coast Defense Missile or some similiar system.
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    Post  Regular Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:42 pm

    Rolling Eyes Idiots, slavic nazis is the most retarted thing ever. I hope their helmets will end up in as rebel collection.
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    Post  Mike E Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:54 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Look at this drill in Crimea;



    Is that the Iskander cruise missile variant?

    Looks like Bastion-P Coast Defense Missile or some similiar system.
    Thanks Werewolf. So the missile fired is an Onyx...
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    Post  Regular Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:59 pm

    Not everyone in Ukrainian NG are scum.
    Here Donbass soldier speaks out about Semen Semen-Chenko orders to shoot everyone in Nikolaevka.

    More about this piece of shit Semen
    http://obozrevatel.com/crime/65470-legendarnyij-kombat-semen-semenchenko-eto-brend-mvd--ne-luchshe-yanukovicha.htm
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    Post  Regular Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:01 am

    cracker wrote:
    https://2img.net/h/s30.postimg.cc/vkjq5adm9/2o_FOONo5_Hr_E.jpg
    More info about this picture please
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:01 am

    Mike E wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    cracker wrote:some utter retarded crap...

    And the tank is chinese ztz99... Laughing

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    Actually this would be the most fortunate thing happen to pure Britons since magna Carta.
    At least they can finally become a democracy like Russia.
    Greetings from Moscow. The climate here is very nationalistic, very right wing. Great!
    Absolutely terrible! The "creator" of this piece of crap should be shot on site, not kidding!

    The fact that they used a Chinese tank with a Russian flag on top says it all!

    Don't take this things too seriously.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:02 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    cracker wrote:some utter retarded crap...

    And the tank is chinese ztz99... Laughing

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #8 - Page 31 Attachment

    Actually this would be the most fortunate thing happen to pure Britons since magna Carta.
    At least they can finally become a democracy like Russia.
    Greetings from Moscow. The climate here is very nationalistic, very right wing. Great!
    Absolutely terrible! The "creator" of this piece of crap should be shot on site, not kidding!

    The fact that they used a Chinese tank with a Russian flag on top says it all!

    Don't take this things too seriously.
    I don't, but still! - I think I'm going blind now... Too much time looking at that "thing".
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    Post  Firebird Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:21 am

    Western govts have made it clear that they claim Russia is "expansionist" and wants to take the Baltics, the Warsaw Pact AND anywhere else.

    THe fact that unlike the Crimea, Poland, England, Bulgaria etc is not 90% Russia is ignored by them.
    As is the administrative history + referendum regarding the Crimea.

    Its just like "we must arm Muslim radicals (ie ISIS) v evil Assad" and "Saddams WMDs could kill us all in 15minutes". Just concocted bullshit.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:44 am

    Post ww2 and post cold war was built around the American political system and the American society with the political and economic elites of the respective European countries not only allied but practically imposed from the trans Atlantic overloards. Used to it and try to overrule it. Whining simply doesn't make sense.
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    Post  arpakola Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:37 am

    risking to get an infraction , I submit the following URL which shows the cuted heads of catured seperatists sent back home in wooden boxes by the Ukranian scams..

    graphic warning..
    http://dimpenews.com/2014/09/09/%CF%86%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B7-%CE%B1%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%BA%CE%B5%CF%86%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD-%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B9%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%B9/
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:47 am

    Mike E wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    cracker wrote:some utter retarded crap...

    And the tank is chinese ztz99... Laughing

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #8 - Page 31 Attachment

    Actually this would be the most fortunate thing happen to pure Britons since magna Carta.
    At least they can finally become a democracy like Russia.
    Greetings from Moscow. The climate here is very nationalistic, very right wing. Great!
    Absolutely terrible! The "creator" of this piece of crap should be shot on site, not kidding!

    The fact that they used a Chinese tank with a Russian flag on top says it all!

    Don't take this things too seriously.
    I don't, but still! - I think I'm going blind now... Too much time looking at that "thing".

    I think who ever made that should swan dive in to a wood chipper.
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:54 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    cracker wrote:some utter retarded crap...

    And the tank is chinese ztz99... Laughing

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #8 - Page 31 Attachment

    Actually this would be the most fortunate thing happen to pure Britons since magna Carta.
    At least they can finally become a democracy like Russia.
    Greetings from Moscow. The climate here is very nationalistic, very right wing. Great!
    Absolutely terrible! The "creator" of this piece of crap should be shot on site, not kidding!

    The fact that they used a Chinese tank with a Russian flag on top says it all!

    Don't take this things too seriously.
    I don't, but still! - I think I'm going blind now... Too much time looking at that "thing".

    I think who ever made that should swan dive in to a wood chipper.

    When you struggle against Western hegemony, you are labelled "agression".

    When you slaughtered, bombed, burned and beheaded people for the sake of Washington DC, you are called "freedom fighter".
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    Post  Firebird Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:01 pm

    Hohol scum starting to erect a wall along the RU border. And trenches/bunkers.
    Maybe this, with weapons coming from NATO are the reasons for the so called ceasefire?
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    Post  arpakola Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:31 pm

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    Post  arpakola Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:37 pm

    Love it at 7:59 how the old women decieved Zaharcenko to show that he doesn't know what he's fighting for, basically he's been brought to his position to sign anything Surkov and Poroshenko agree over.




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    Post  Vann7 Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:14 pm

    NO truce will hold.. The only reason there is a truce is for Russia pressure on the rebels..and Europe pressure on Poroshenko.. But US and and its loyal cronies ,specially the baltic states and poland will fuel the conflict to last forever . So Russia will be forced to Increase the military help to novorossiya and in the end they will only get
    their Independence when they capture by force all Lugansk and Donetsk Territories. It will be a brutal war and that
    could go into a world full scale mercenary proxy war. Exactly as what it is now Middle east with ISIS. NATO could create an army of 100,000 criminals gangs from jails ,and send them to fight to Eastern Ukraine.

    Only way the war can be stopped fast is total collapse of Ukie economy and that the Ukie army split in half and rebels against their own government.Also the killing of Poroshenko and army leaders and nazis in Government.But im afraid NATO could literary rule Kiev directly if that happens.and the ukies will be so dumb to follow orders from a foreigner that cannot even speak Ukrainian or Russian well.


    Putin major failure in all this is not explaining the Rebels ,exactly the reasons for their moderate policy. You have strelkov still wanting to go to kiev and do not understand why that is not a good idea... strelkov is a good military leader but not an expert in geopolitics and negative consequences not only for Russia but for Ukraine to take kiev by Force ,when majority of Ukrainians in those cities wants to be part of Europe . No invasion into any place can hold if the civilians reject it.. IF Rebels try to conquer more zones that the ones they had a referendum.. they will end not only fighting ukie army but civilians loyal to kiev.


     This is the major problem of Ukraine their indecision. their conformism , you had thousands of miners working for a misery salary non stop for the first months the military operation began..and it was not until there was no more electricity and their mines bombed that they joined the novorosiya cause.  So Ukraine will be on a civil war endlessly until Ukies realize that as long NATO controls kiev ,they will have no progress .   But they are too dumb to realize that.. looks like only when at least Donetsk and Lugansk is fully Controled by the Rebels guns and hold the place is when the war to continue no longer will make sense. This is why is really important that any take over of territory in Ukraine by force have to be backed by civilians support there.. The ukrainians can only stop the war in a week by Rebelling in other cities against Kiev.. but so far they don't do it.. In mariupol about 40 gradmas were holding a government building.. in Odessa they never took guns , same with Kharkiv. Ukrainians conformism is the problem. They will follow whatever leader is at the top as long they are paid enough for food . Im afraid the war in Ukraine will not end for a very long time ,years until Ukrainians wake up ,and realize how they are being fooled and used to fight Russia and that NATO only wants to use them as meatshields . Because they do not help their nation economy.


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    Post  arpakola Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:15 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    NO truce will hold.. The only reason there is a truce is for Russia pressure on the rebels..and Europe pressure on Poroshenko.. But US and and its loyal cronies ,specially the baltic states and poland will fuel the conflict to last forever . So Russia will be forced to Increase the military help to novorossiya and in the end they will only get
    their Independence when they capture by force all Lugansk and Donetsk Territories. It will be a brutal war and that
    could go into a world full scale mercenary proxy war. Exactly as what it is now Middle east with ISIS. NATO could create an army of 100,000 criminals gangs from jails ,and send them to fight to Eastern Ukraine.

    Only way the war can be stopped fast is total collapse of Ukie economy and that the Ukie army split in half and rebels against their own government.Also the killing of Poroshenko and army leaders and nazis in Government.But im afraid NATO could literary rule Kiev directly if that happens.and the ukies will be so dumb to follow orders from a foreigner that cannot even speak Ukrainian or Russian well.

    the batle of Donetsk has shown also the hiden batles within Russian sosciety.. between russian people and guys represented by Surkov

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    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/09/02/our-cold-war-with-russia-could-turn-hot/
    Our Cold War With Russia Could Turn Hot
    NATO should’ve been buried at the end of the cold war: instead, the NATO-crats went on the offensive – breaching the understanding reached by Western leaders with then Russian leader Mikhail Gorbachev – and expanded into most of eastern Europe.  
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:48 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    cracker wrote:some utter retarded crap...

    And the tank is chinese ztz99... Laughing

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #8 - Page 31 Attachment

    Actually this would be the most fortunate thing happen to pure Britons since magna Carta.
    At least they can finally become a democracy like Russia.
    Greetings from Moscow. The climate here is very nationalistic, very right wing. Great!
    Absolutely terrible! The "creator" of this piece of crap should be shot on site, not kidding!

    The fact that they used a Chinese tank with a Russian flag on top says it all!

    Don't take this things too seriously.
    I don't, but still! - I think I'm going blind now... Too much time looking at that "thing".

    I think who ever made that should swan dive in to a wood chipper.
    Too fast of a death! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:02 pm

    arpakola wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    NO truce will hold.. The only reason there is a truce is for Russia pressure on the rebels..and Europe pressure on Poroshenko.. But US and and its loyal cronies ,specially the baltic states and poland will fuel the conflict to last forever . So Russia will be forced to Increase the military help to novorossiya and in the end they will only get
    their Independence when they capture by force all Lugansk and Donetsk Territories. It will be a brutal war and that
    could go into a world full scale mercenary proxy war. Exactly as what it is now Middle east with ISIS. NATO could create an army of 100,000 criminals gangs from jails ,and send them to fight to Eastern Ukraine.

    Only way the war can be stopped fast is total collapse of Ukie economy and that the Ukie army split in half and rebels against their own government.Also the killing of Poroshenko and army leaders and nazis in Government.But im afraid NATO could literary rule Kiev directly if that happens.and the ukies will be so dumb to follow orders from a foreigner that cannot even speak Ukrainian or Russian well.

    the batle of Donetsk has shown also the hiden batles within Russian sosciety.. between russian people and guys represented by Surkov

    ==============================================

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/09/02/our-cold-war-with-russia-could-turn-hot/
    Our Cold War With Russia Could Turn Hot
    NATO should’ve been buried at the end of the cold war: instead, the NATO-crats went on the offensive – breaching the understanding reached by Western leaders with then Russian leader Mikhail Gorbachev – and expanded into most of eastern Europe.  


    I also suspect that the War In Ukraine will provoke major changes in Russian society , and Russia will become rightly for authoritarian country . Since they are in a state of war in an undeclared war by US . They will have to significantly increase the militarization of Russia , and the level of monitoring in society.. Something similar to CUba.  And i don't see medvedev becoming the next President of Russia if , the Ukrainian conflict still is not solved and many civilians continue to die every day. Either a hardliner could come to power and push for a War with Ukraine and level to the ground kiev capital with its leadership until they stop the war against eastern ukraine.

    That said.. the factions pro USA in Russia will become more and more a rare thing.. and the average society will want a more stronger policy against USA .. even if that means a direct confrontation and war with them.

    But not all is doom and gloom.. In the long run Russia will be fine , Their movement of their markets to Asia will save Russia economy and will actually become much more stronger than it is now..Helping Russia to become a truly free and independent nation..no longer dependent of colonies of USA for its economy. Im very optimistic however that Russia is not going anywhere ,other than forward ,same with China and India ..but in the near future or medium term it will be painful the civil war in Ukraine with western sanctions.
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    Post  arpakola Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:15 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    arpakola wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    NO truce will hold.. The only reason there is a truce is for Russia pressure on the rebels..and Europe pressure on Poroshenko.. But US and and its loyal cronies ,specially the baltic states and poland will fuel the conflict to last forever . So Russia will be forced to Increase the military help to novorossiya and in the end they will only get
    their Independence when they capture by force all Lugansk and Donetsk Territories. It will be a brutal war and that
    could go into a world full scale mercenary proxy war. Exactly as what it is now Middle east with ISIS. NATO could create an army of 100,000 criminals gangs from jails ,and send them to fight to Eastern Ukraine.

    Only way the war can be stopped fast is total collapse of Ukie economy and that the Ukie army split in half and rebels against their own government.Also the killing of Poroshenko and army leaders and nazis in Government.But im afraid NATO could literary rule Kiev directly if that happens.and the ukies will be so dumb to follow orders from a foreigner that cannot even speak Ukrainian or Russian well.

    the batle of Donetsk has shown also the hiden batles within Russian sosciety.. between russian people and guys represented by Surkov

    ==============================================

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/09/02/our-cold-war-with-russia-could-turn-hot/
    Our Cold War With Russia Could Turn Hot
    NATO should’ve been buried at the end of the cold war: instead, the NATO-crats went on the offensive – breaching the understanding reached by Western leaders with then Russian leader Mikhail Gorbachev – and expanded into most of eastern Europe.  


    I also suspect that the War In Ukraine will provoke major changes in Russian society , and Russia will become rightly for authoritarian country . Since they are in a state of war in an undeclared war by US . They will have to significantly increase the militarization of Russia , and the level of monitoring in society.. Something similar to CUba.  And i don't see medvedev becoming the next President of Russia if , the Ukrainian conflict still is not solved and many civilians continue to die every day. Either a hardliner could come to power and push for a War with Ukraine and level to the ground kiev capital with its leadership until they stop the war against eastern ukraine.

    That said.. the factions pro USA in Russia will become more and more a rare thing.. and the average society will want a more stronger policy against USA .. even if that means a direct confrontation and war with them.

    But not all is doom and gloom.. In the long run Russia will be fine , Their movement of their markets to Asia will save Russia economy and will actually become much more stronger than it is now..Helping Russia to become a truly free and independent nation.. Im very optimistic however that Russia is not going anywhere ,other than forward ,same with China and India ..but in the near future or medium term it will be painful the civil war in Ukraine with western sanctions.

    come on....
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    My comparisons with CUba is in the level of militarization.. not on its politics or economy. ie.. mandatory for every adult to pass a military training. and tanks and military convoys and drills at all times.. With a full monitoring of society.

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