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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #8

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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:19 am

    Well, TR1 to each his own... Look at how I have an almost identical opinion to yours on the B3 (so do a couple others), yet we aren't "attacked". Hmm, I "wonder" why. You make the forum as bad as you want it to be, if that makes any sense...

     - Covering all bases is good, even though evidence is looking against Russia at the moment. That once again leads us to "why" it is a bad thing in the first place, Kiev is stirring up trouble much more than sending a few tanks in the Ukraine.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:20 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Turrets often separate from the body if hit correctly, especially if the magazine erupted.

    Not convinced yet..
    That is OK, but keep in mind that a "hoax" of the turret (or whatever else you/others believe) is very unlikely.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:22 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Turrets often separate from the body if hit correctly, especially if the magazine erupted.

    Not convinced yet..

    I hope T-90s appear in Ukraine next with giant flags of Putin, just to see Van go: COULD BE NATO PHOTOSHOP!
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:23 am

    Who are you voting for TR1 during next elections?

    I would rather just give the rebels the excess T-80's and T-64's that Russia obtained. Get rid of stock and help the rebels. Win win.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:24 am

    Mike E wrote:Well, TR1 to each his own... Look at how I have an almost identical opinion to yours on the B3 (so do a couple others), yet we aren't "attacked". Hmm, I "wonder" why. You make the forum as bad as you want it to be, if that makes any sense...

     - Covering all bases is good, even though evidence is looking against Russia at the moment. That once again leads us to "why" it is a bad thing in the first place, Kiev is stirring up trouble much more than sending a few tanks in the Ukraine.

    The tiny difference is they are operating within their country. Russia is not.

    The reason I bring up these tanks (while not caring to actually discuss the situation here) is because I constantly see people crying about Western sanctions and what have you, and demanding they back up their statements of Russia's involvement with proof. Well, there it is. It has been undeniable for months.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:25 am

    sepheronx wrote:Who are you voting for TR1 during next elections?

    I would rather just give the rebels the excess T-80's and T-64's that Russia obtained.  Get rid of stock and help the rebels.  Win win.

    Where? In Russia?

    If Putin is still around, then it doesn't matter who I vote for.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:26 am

    Mike E wrote:
    That is OK, but keep in mind that a "hoax" of the turret (or whatever else you/others believe) is very unlikely.

    You keep in mind only one thing or two about Ukraine war..

    1) Is an economic war..
    2) Seek to destroy Russia Image.. not only politically ,but if possible militarily.  

    Nothing will be more destructive for Russian Tank sales if they send a T-90BS tanks as is destroyed very fast
    by a Javeling missile in the first day.. as it will be.. since do not have top protection.. Same with their best T-72.
    They will not send their best weapons ,when they can send something much older that can be as effective.
    War is a business..  When the F-117 was shutdown in serbia.. that was its end.. no longer was used. This is why NATO cannot help much poroshenko with modern heavy weapons.. they do not want Russia to capture it.. and or see their modern tanks wiped by kornets.

    This is also why NATO cannot give Ukraine a full Membership into NATO.. not even if they wanted it..why?
    Because Full members have the right to buy all NATO weapons..including modern planes and combat jets. and it will be Abysmally catastrophic , for Lockheed Martin sales if Ukraine buys a dozen of e of F-35 in a loan ,and they all destroyed by manpads in eastern Ukraine. Russia have many thousands of tanks that could do the job as well as an T72-B3. without risking any technology being stolen .


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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:29 am

    TR1 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Who are you voting for TR1 during next elections?

    I would rather just give the rebels the excess T-80's and T-64's that Russia obtained.  Get rid of stock and help the rebels.  Win win.

    Where? In Russia?

    If Putin is still around, then it doesn't matter who I vote for.
    Well, it is the same thing here in America, but worse!
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:30 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    That is OK, but keep in mind that a "hoax" of the turret (or whatever else you/others believe) is very unlikely.

    You keep in mind only one thing or two about Ukraine war..

    1) Is an economic war..
    2) Seek to destroy Russia Image.. not only politically ,but if possible militarily.  

    Nothing will be more destructive for Russian Tank sales if they send a T-90BS tanks as is destroyed very fast
    by a Javeling missile in the first day.. as it will be.. since do not have top protection.. Same with their best T-72.
    They will not send their best weapons ,when they can send something much older that can be as effective.
    War is a business..  When the F-117 was shutdown in serbia.. that was its end.. no longer was used. This is why NATO cannot help much poroshenko with modern heavy weapons.. they do not want Russia to capture it.. and or see their modern tanks wiped by kornets.

    Say all you want, but there is no evidence so far that supports your belief. (so far)
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    Post  TR1 Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:32 am

    Mike E wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Who are you voting for TR1 during next elections?

    I would rather just give the rebels the excess T-80's and T-64's that Russia obtained.  Get rid of stock and help the rebels.  Win win.

    Where? In Russia?

    If Putin is still around, then it doesn't matter who I vote for.
    Well, it is the same thing here in America, but worse!

    No, not even close.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:33 am

    It's like nobody cares that the OSCE has been monitoring the border for months lol! I'll wait for their confirmation first around certain claims, before I declare anything. Secondly I like how the people whining about the 'alleged' arms crossing the border, have never cried foul when the U.S., Britain, France publicly admit to trafficking arms in to Syria lol!
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:34 am

    Yeah, SCOTUS, the POTUS, and Congress are all run by the elite and MIC. Elections are rigged, and there are loads of proof.

    Off Topic
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    Post  TR1 Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:34 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:It's like nobody cares that the OSCE has been monitoring the border for months lol! I'll wait for their confirmation first around certain claims, before I declare anything. Secondly I like how the people whining about the 'alleged' arms crossing the border, have never cried foul when the U.S., Britain, France publicly admit to trafficking arms in to Syria lol!

    Maybe because that is a very pathetic way of deflecting the actual subject of the thread.

    Screaming about Syria and Iraq whenever Russia's involvement comes up is just dumb.
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    Post  TR1 Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:35 am

    Mike E wrote:Yeah, SCOTUS, the POTUS, and Congress are all run by the elite and MIC. Elections are rigged, and there are loads of proof.

    Off Topic

    Compared to actual videos of the kind of vote rigging that happens in Russia.....yeah, it is not even worth a comparison.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:35 am

    TR1 wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Who are you voting for TR1 during next elections?

    I would rather just give the rebels the excess T-80's and T-64's that Russia obtained.  Get rid of stock and help the rebels.  Win win.

    Where? In Russia?

    If Putin is still around, then it doesn't matter who I vote for.
    Well, it is the same thing here in America, but worse!

    No, not even close.


    Rolling Eyes Oh yes your vote matters more than the hedge fund managers financing the political campaigns... lol1
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:36 am

    Well, either way the US Govt. is plenty corrupted, - spoken as a citizen.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:37 am

    Mike E wrote:

    Say all you want, but there is no evidence so far that supports your belief. (so far)

    OSCE is monitoring the borders.. and they have said clearly that no russian hardware have crossed the border.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:42 am

    I mean "direct evidence". Ex; Video of it being "produced" (the "hoax") etc. Very Happy
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:43 am

    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:It's like nobody cares that the OSCE has been monitoring the border for months lol! I'll wait for their confirmation first around certain claims, before I declare anything. Secondly I like how the people whining about the 'alleged' arms crossing the border, have never cried foul when the U.S., Britain, France publicly admit to trafficking arms in to Syria lol!

    Maybe because that is a very pathetic way of deflecting the actual subject of the thread.

    Screaming about Syria and Iraq whenever Russia's involvement comes up is just dumb.

    Flame trolling every member of this forum and claiming everyone is trolling just comes off as dumb, stop deflecting the fact that the OSCE has been monitoring the border for months and their credibility far outweighs your flimsy twitter/facebook social media-proof.
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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:48 am

    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:It's like nobody cares that the OSCE has been monitoring the border for months lol! I'll wait for their confirmation first around certain claims, before I declare anything. Secondly I like how the people whining about the 'alleged' arms crossing the border, have never cried foul when the U.S., Britain, France publicly admit to trafficking arms in to Syria lol!

    Maybe because that is a very pathetic way of deflecting the actual subject of the thread.

    Screaming about Syria and Iraq whenever Russia's involvement comes up is just dumb.

    Not really, as it does have to do with Ukraine. 

    Simply forgetting about what the West' has done, all while rubbing it in to Russia for doing 1/1000 the damage, is "dumb".
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:33 am

    NAF shelling #Ukraine army positions today

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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:47 am

    That is "totally" a surprise... Laughing
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    Post  TR1 Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:06 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:It's like nobody cares that the OSCE has been monitoring the border for months lol! I'll wait for their confirmation first around certain claims, before I declare anything. Secondly I like how the people whining about the 'alleged' arms crossing the border, have never cried foul when the U.S., Britain, France publicly admit to trafficking arms in to Syria lol!

    Maybe because that is a very pathetic way of deflecting the actual subject of the thread.

    Screaming about Syria and Iraq whenever Russia's involvement comes up is just dumb.

    Flame trolling every member of this forum and claiming everyone is trolling just comes off as dumb, stop deflecting the fact that the OSCE has been monitoring the border for months and their credibility far outweighs your flimsy twitter/facebook social media-proof.

    LOL.

    My "flimsy" photographic evidence.

    OSCE is @ every inch of the border right? Smile
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    Post  Airbornewolf Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:23 am

    Vann7 wrote:NAF shelling #Ukraine army positions today


    this is the first artillery piece ive seen in use by the anti kiev troops thats properly set-up and capable of accurate fire. but still, to get good effect on target their shots needs to be corrected two or three times before they hit the spot what they want. with the wind you see carrying away the smoke they need already to correct about two degrees to the right.

    i see a lot of firing but no correcting the aim of the gun or radio-traffic to confirm where the shells land near the intended target.

    anyway,...they seem to be good in both heavy equipment and ordnance now.

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    Post  Vann7 Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:31 am

    WTF.. Shocked
    Here is an interview with someone with connection with insiders in the European Union..and he claims..
    that there is a major split in the EU ,and internal fight behind the scenes.. because of the Ukraine conflict
    and next round of sanctions that US ,UK and Baltic-polish states are pushing in Russia.
    According to the information.. of the insiders..
    1)There is a break out i. a major split in EU already between US+UK vs Germany + france
     and political elite vs Business elite.. the business elite in europe side with RUssia..
    2)That Germany and France are sending mercenaries to eastern Ukraine but to fight on the side of Russia.
    3) That Germany + France will align in the side of Russia and China.. and BRICS.. and will move away from Petrodollar.
    4)That the French detachment fighting in the side of Novorrosiya captured today american blackwater mercenaries..
    5)Also that the new force that we have seen in Novorosiya forces have a lot to do with the help they have been receiving from Europe and not just Russia.. (any way im skeptic of all this could be all BS.. or a big joke.. but none the less ,the is still some other information that in interesting about the internal fights in the EU  )


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