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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:37 am

    interesting article and speaks quite a bit about mercenaries including Russian ones, and the recruitment of Syrians to fight for Haftar with training from Russian security groups. The ""full"" article can be read on the link provided.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/news/inside-murky-world-libya-mercenaries-173600384.html

    Inside the murky world of Libya’s mercenaries
    Bel Trew, Rajaai Bourhan
    The Independent

    "Morale was so low among the ranks loyal to Libya’s recognised government, a clutch of fighters secretly planned on deserting the battlefield if they were forced to take on the Russians."

    The highly-trained mercenaries – hired to support renegade general Khalifa Haftar in his bid to take Tripoli – had emerged from the snarl of Libya’s latest war as the most feared force.

    For the malaise of Tripoli fighters, better acquainted with shooting Kalashnikovs in flip flops, the lethal accuracy of the Russians was terrifying. Their sniping capability had become legendary among the rank-and-file.

    So when the orders came to march south on the enemy positions, a group of fighters huddled together to discuss how they might escape.

    The target was Tarhuna, a crumbling one-street town 60km south of the capital Tripoli. With two tiny airstrips, the little-known backwater had morphed into a vital supply line for Haftar since he launched his offensive last April to take the capital from the Turkish-backed Government of National Accord (GNA).

    If the town fell, the renegade general would lose his last foothold in west Libya and the GNA would likely win the war.

    The problem was Moscow’s mercenaries in the way.

    “We were planning on running away. We were very afraid of the Russians because of their target accuracy. They are incredibly professional in using artillery,” one government fighter admitted, with embarrassment.

    “Our main goal was staying alive. It is hard to articulate the fear”.

    But before the GNA fighters had even left Tripoli, footage was circulating online showing what appeared to be Russian combatants in trucks and cargo planes retreating from the frontlines.

    When the fighters finally arrived in Tarhuna the mercenaries had melted away.

    “That was the beginning of the collapse of Haftar’s house of cards,” said one GNA military official in Tripoli about Haftar’s loss of the town on 5 June.

    “It was the main factor that led to Haftar’s forces withdrawal from the other places,” he added.

    Haftar’s Libyan Arab Armed Forces (LAAF), now beating a hasty retreat hundreds of kilometres down the coast from Tripoli, deny any foreign fighters exist among its ranks. In interviews with The Independent, its commanders have repeatedly dismissed these allegations as “propaganda” and “lies spread by the GNA and terrorists”.

    But UN investigators believe at least 1,200 Russians were hired by shadowy Russian private military companies like Wagner to help Haftar win his war against the GNA.

    What caused hundreds of them to withdraw at such a crucial moment is the talk of the town back in Tripoli. Rumours abound of a last-minute deal struck between Ankara and Moscow to allow the mercenaries to exit the frontline unscathed, preventing a potentially deadly confrontation between the two world powers.

    “Given the impact on the morale of Haftar’s soldiers, the withdrawal made us feel for sure there was a deal,” said one Syrian mercenary with the GNA.

    “All the resistance we faced on all fronts vanished in one night.”
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:08 am


    Libya has cheap oil. Turkey occupies Libya to buy oil cheap from Libya and sell oil expensive to Europe. This is bad for Russia's oil export.

    Russia doens't sell oil directly to europe, though it is selling oil to the US at the moment... hahaha...

    Russia sells gas to europe. Russian gas flows through gas pipelines through turkey to europe in what is called South Stream... Turkey is an energy ally of Russia.

    Turkey used to buy Syrian oil cheaply from ISIS to sell and made a lot of money doing that... that they might be trying to do the same in Libya would not be an enormous surprise, but you can't really blame them... it was the US and UK and France that broke Libya in the first place not Turkey.
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:41 am

    If there is a petroleum competitor of Russia it is Iran not Turkey.

    Turkey is a consumption market, not a production market.

    As long as Turkey can buy cheap oil and transfer it, it is okay for Turkey.

    Russia already uses Turkish infrastructure to sell gas to Europe. As garry pointed out, Turkey is not Russia s competitor. It is not producer in the first place. (Little production at Batman but does not even suffice for internal consumption)
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:57 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:If there is a petroleum competitor of Russia it is Iran not Turkey.

    It's called Qatar, Turkey's strong ally, and financier of the destruction of Syria.
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:14 pm

    Dont forget UAE and KSA but oh wait they are supporting Haftars side so we should ignore their guilt.

    If Gulf countries constitute a club of devils, UAE would be its top member, followed by KSA both of which have no limits on how they can destroy humanity. (The acidizers)
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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:08 pm

    http://www.opex360.com/2020/06/17/un-navire-turc-a-illumine-a-trois-reprises-la-fregate-courbet-avec-son-radar-de-conduite-de-tir-selon-paris/

    A turkish frigate locked its fire control radar 3 times on a french La Fayette class ship off the coast of Lybia when the french ship tried to intercept a turkish civilian transport ship.

    They say this ship transported Hawk AD system to GNA and M-60 tanks bypassing UN resolution on sending weapons there.

    Erdogan is really playing with fire. That's an act of war. You don't lock on a frigate dyring peace time. The french ship could have fire back in ligitimate defence.
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    Post  jhelb Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:28 pm

    Isos wrote:http://www.opex360.com/2020/06/17/un-navire-turc-a-illumine-a-trois-reprises-la-fregate-courbet-avec-son-radar-de-conduite-de-tir-selon-paris/

    A turkish frigate locked its fire control radar 3 times on a french La Fayette class ship off the coast of Lybia when the french ship tried to intercept a turkish civilian transport ship.

    They say this ship transported Hawk AD system to GNA and M-60 tanks bypassing UN resolution on sending weapons there.

    Erdogan is really playing with fire. That's an act of war. You don't lock on a frigate dyring peace time. The french ship could have fire back in ligitimate defence.

    WTF? Turkey and France are both NATO members.

    What countermeasures are available to the French Navy under these circumstances?

    But this news report says Turkey intercepted a Greek frigate. Does this mean Turkey intercepted a Greek and a French frigate?
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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:50 pm

    The greek frigate tried to control the turkish ship and the turkish frigate came btw the two and didn't allow it. Then french frigate tried too and the turkish frigate locked its radar on it.

    What countermeasures are available to the French Navy under these circumstances?

    It would be a gun fight. The first to shoot is more likely the one who wins. France would get NATO support as it would be the one being under attack and doing a UN mission. Technically they could then ask for NATO help in a war with Turkey.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:34 pm

    Isos wrote:http://www.opex360.com/2020/06/17/un-navire-turc-a-illumine-a-trois-reprises-la-fregate-courbet-avec-son-radar-de-conduite-de-tir-selon-paris/

    A turkish frigate locked its fire control radar 3 times on a french La Fayette class ship off the coast of Lybia when the french ship tried to intercept a turkish civilian transport ship.

    They say this ship transported Hawk AD system to GNA and M-60 tanks bypassing UN resolution on sending weapons there.

    Erdogan is really playing with fire. That's an act of war. You don't lock on a frigate dyring peace time. The french ship could have fire back in ligitimate defence.

    They also did that to a Greek frigate. Like I said, Erdogan is a mad man.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:50 am

    He is crazy to a point yeah, but it's also because people allow him to get away with these things.

    The man is a rabbit dog who isn't being put in his place, so he feels he can act out all he wants.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:16 am

    Hahaha... just watched Wallace and Gromit: the curse of the were rabbit again... it had a rabbit man... wallace:

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    But no rabbit dog...

    Assume you meant rabid dog... damn auto correct...

    You can call him a rabid dog all you like but he isn't the only one supplying weapons in that conflict or in others... many HATO countries make a lot of money doing such things... and for goodness sake... France upset at Turkey making a little money out of a conflict France essentially started is a bit rich...

    Why would they give a shit about Libya now... if they care so damn much why did they break the country in the first place?
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:32 am

    USA : Sends shitload of ammunition to every single corner in the world, bribes politicians, murders if needed

    World : Meh
    Some others: Not ok

    France : Always talks about freedom, eqvality, democracy etv etc but always supports dictators, sends shitload of ammunition, razes Africa at every possible instance

    World : Meh

    Gulf countries : Responsible of funding extremist groups, their ideologies come from these lands, do not hesitate to acidize their own people on foreign soil

    World : Meh


    Russia : Sends military equipment, supports governments with actual military engagements far away 1000 kilometers

    Western world : not ok
    Rest : Not my bussness

    Turkey : Supports a government with military equipment way later than the country was already fvcked up

    World :AOOOOVV NO TURKEY CANT DO THAT NO MAD MAN MAD DOG KICK THEM OUT OF UN NATO OECD BLA BLA BLA
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    Post  Isos Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:37 am

    Turkey : Supports a government with military equipment way later than the country was already fvcked up

    No one cares about weapon shipment. Everyone does it.

    But Turkey also shoot down Russia's su-24, use directly its military against official military of neighbour countries and now target a NATO ship.

    Erdogan has no idea of how military force works. He should be aware turkish military even if big in numbers is rather weak.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:07 pm

    Russia is also supplying weapons to others control you hatred, it makes talking to you a chore.
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    Post  Isos Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:24 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Russia is also supplying weapons to others control you hatred, it makes talking to you a chore.

    I don't get what you're trying to say. Maybe you're talking to the other guy.

    No one said Russia doesn't do it. But actually they are quite respectfull of treaties since they could have armed afghan and iraqi fighters the last decade with hundreds of atgm launchers, intel' and training making NATO/US operations way deadlier for your soldiers since your vehicles there have almost nothing to counter Kornet and other atgm in mountainous areas or cities.

    They also could have annexed all Georgia and half Ukraine in few days but rather invited Europeans for diplomatic talks, solved the issues and let both countries deal with their own problems... That's something very few country would do.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:18 pm

    AFRICOM on their high horse again. Assume its a Spoon Rest D they mention.

    Thomas Newdick
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    Two new photos from @USAfricaCommand
    showing MiG-29 and Su-24 in Libya – together with ‘Spoon Rest’ early warning radar. Again, AFRICOM notes that these aircraft are being operated by private military contractors sponsored by the Russian government.




    Russian aircraft delivered to Libya in late May are being actively flown in Libya.

    These Russian aircraft are being used to support private military companies (PMCs) sponsored by the Russian government. U.S. Africa Command (USAFRICOM) has photographic evidence of a Russian aircraft taking off from al-Jufra, Libya. A MiG-29 was also photographed operating in the vicinity of the city of Sirte, Libya.

    "Russia's sustained involvement in Libya increases the violence and delays a political solution," said U.S. Marine Corps Brig. Gen. Bradford Gering, USAFRICOM director of operations. "Russia continues to push for a strategic foothold on NATO's southern flank and this is at the expense of innocent Libyan lives."

    In late May, USAFRICOM reported that at least 14 MiG-29s and several Su-24s were flown from Russia to Syria, where their Russian markings were painted over to camouflage their Russian origin. These aircraft were then flown into Libya in direct violation of the United Nations arms embargo.

    “We know these fighters were not already in Libya and being repaired,” said Col. Chris Karns, director of USAFRICOM public affairs. “Clearly, they came from Russia. They didn’t come from any other country.”

    Russia's introduction of manned, armed attack aircraft into Libya changes the nature of the current conflict and intensifies the potential of risk to all Libyans, especially innocent civilians.

    "There is concern these Russian aircraft are being flown by inexperienced, non-state PMC mercenaries who will not adhere to international law; namely, they are not bound by the traditional laws of armed conflict," Gering said. "If this is true and bombing occurs, innocent Libyan lives are at risk."

    As the number one arms dealer in Africa, Russia continues to profit from violence and instability across the continent.  Russian government backed PMCs, such as the Wagner Group, are active in sixteen countries across Africa.  It is estimated that there are about 2,000 Wagner Group personnel in Libya. “Russia has relentlessly stuck to a narrative of implausible denials in the media,” said Karns. “It’s difficult to deny facts. Russian interference and masking of activity in Libya is visible and delaying progress. Progress the people of Libya deserve.”


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    https://www.africom.mil/pressrelease/32941/new-evidence-of-russian-aircraft-active-in-li
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    Post  Isos Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:50 pm

    Can someone remember this dickheads it's NATO that destroyed those innocent libyan's lives.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:29 pm

    Isos wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Russia is also supplying weapons to others control you hatred, it makes talking to you a chore.

    I don't get what you're trying to say. Maybe you're talking to the other guy.

    No one said Russia doesn't do it. But actually they are quite respectfull of treaties since they could have armed afghan and iraqi fighters the last decade with hundreds of atgm launchers, intel' and training making NATO/US operations way deadlier for your soldiers since your vehicles there have almost nothing to counter Kornet and other atgm in mountainous areas or cities.

    They also could have annexed all Georgia and half Ukraine in few days but rather invited Europeans for diplomatic talks, solved the issues and let both countries deal with their own problems... That's something very few country would do.

    I was talking to Garry who took my statement and saw the need to bring up how the west supplies weapons to groups who support the agenda. When what I said had nothing to do with it.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:34 pm

    Turkey could build a pipeline in Georgia to get Azeri oil to use/resell; now it risks a war with Egypt as well:
    There are still controversial reports circulating about the identity of the aircraft that carried out Saturday’s air strikes which frustrated the advance of the Misrata militias and of the Syrian mercenaries towards Sirte, inflicting heavy losses in equipment and lives on the marching troops.
    While some say the fighter planes used were of the same type than the military jets which the United States accused Russia of sending to Libya, a charge denied by the LNA, others did not exclude the hypothesis that the said planes took off from a military base in Egypt.

    https://thearabweekly.com/egypts-message-turkey-we-are-keen-peace-libya-ready-war

    https://defence-blog.com/news/army/egypt-sent-abrams-tanks-and-attack-helicopters-to-the-libyan-border.html
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    Post  George1 Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:57 am

    Ι don't remember Russia interested in Libya's oil during Qaddafi era. On the contrary Qaddafi at his last years had made deals with France and Italy (sarkozy and berlusconi). Russia probably see libya as an opportunity for a naval base as a second choice after Syria as a result of a post-war agreement
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:02 am

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:USA : Sends shitload of ammunition to every single corner in the world, bribes politicians, murders if needed

    World : Meh
    Some others: Not ok

    France : Always talks about freedom, eqvality, democracy etv etc but always supports dictators, sends shitload of ammunition, razes Africa at every possible instance

    World : Meh

    Gulf countries : Responsible of funding extremist groups, their ideologies come from these lands, do not hesitate to acidize their own people on foreign soil

    World : Meh


    Russia : Sends military equipment, supports governments with actual military engagements far away 1000 kilometers

    Western world : not ok
    Rest : Not my bussness

    Turkey : Supports a government with military equipment way later than the country was already fvcked up

    World :AOOOOVV NO TURKEY CANT DO THAT NO MAD MAN MAD DOG KICK THEM OUT OF UN NATO OECD BLA BLA BLA

    True
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:22 pm

    But Turkey also shoot down Russia's su-24, use directly its military against official military of neighbour countries and now target a NATO ship.

    They did shoot down an Su-24 which shows they can do very stupid things against countries they are also working with (Russia and South Stream)....

    Why do you think HATO ships are sacred?

    They targeted them but they didn't actually fire anything.... that just says fuck off...

    Erdogan has no idea of how military force works. He should be aware turkish military even if big in numbers is rather weak.

    He shapes his behaviour on the reaction he gets... when he shot down the Fencer he was all bravado... he ordered it himself personally... etc etc... but later changed his tune... when the Americans tried to overthrow him and all of a sudden Russia wasn't the big bad enemy after all... it was his western allies trying to throw him out in to the street...

    Russia is also supplying weapons to others control you hatred, it makes talking to you a chore.

    Dude... you are the one calling Erdogan a rabid dog... it wasn't his idea to destroy Libya... that was the US and France... and I laugh most days about all the BLACK LASH the EU got regarding that brilliant ideas results... get what I did there? I took back lash in the sense of a bad result and added the colour of most of the immigrants that flooded into the EU as a result of what France and the US and HATO did in Libya and Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan seeing as how most of the immigrants come from those countries...

    Of course Russia is selling weapons in Libya... why wouldn't they... they didn't break it, but they can make some money and help some countries nearby that will likely end up cleaning up the mess made by the west... as usual...

    They also could have annexed all Georgia and half Ukraine in few days but rather invited Europeans for diplomatic talks, solved the issues and let both countries deal with their own problems... That's something very few country would do.

    Agreed... lets face it... if you take the unique situation of Kosovo, where foreigners in a country want to create their own separate country and the US sends peacekeepers there to keep the peace until agreements are made and then all of a sudden Serbia invades Kosovo and targets the US spec op base with the peace keepers in it with some friendly artillery I am sure the US would show great restraint and respect for all parties. If Georgia did to the US what they did to Russia the Tie eater would have a 120mm HE FRAG enema... in the main square in Tiblisi...


    "Russia's sustained involvement in Libya increases the violence and delays a political solution," said U.S. Marine Corps Brig. Gen. Bradford Gering, USAFRICOM director of operations. "Russia continues to push for a strategic foothold on NATO's southern flank and this is at the expense of innocent Libyan lives."

    Yeah... Libyas problems all stem from Russian interference....

    I was talking to Garry who took my statement and saw the need to bring up how the west supplies weapons to groups who support the agenda. When what I said had nothing to do with it.

    You called Erdogan a rabid dog for interfering in Libya and I replied that Turkey didn't start the conflict in Libya and everyone is supplying weapons to one side or another.

    Ι don't remember Russia interested in Libya's oil during Qaddafi era. On the contrary Qaddafi at his last years had made deals with France and Italy (sarkozy and berlusconi). Russia probably see libya as an opportunity for a naval base as a second choice after Syria as a result of a post-war agreement

    If it gets split up into bits then some bits might not have much oil so a coastline piece of territory that they could lease to Russia in return for investment might be useful to Russia... thanks to HATO for making it all possible...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:05 pm

    Having bases in Libya will help Russia to monitor/control central Med. Sea SLOCs, esp. if/when Serbia is swallowed by NATO.
    Also, RF presence there is needed to protect her interests elsewhere in North & Central Africa.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:17 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Having bases in Libya will help Russia to monitor/control central Med. Sea SLOCs, esp. if/when Serbia is swallowed by NATO.
    Also, RF presence there is needed to protect her interests elsewhere in North & Central Africa.

    This heavily depends on Russia supporting Haftar way harder then they are, which so far they aren't the LNA has taken heavy losses against the GNA. Haftar cannot win unless some serious support is sent and Russia is willing to do this.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:19 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Having bases in Libya will help Russia to monitor/control central Med. Sea SLOCs, esp. if/when Serbia is swallowed by NATO.
    Also, RF presence there is needed to protect her interests elsewhere in North & Central Africa.

    This heavily depends on Russia supporting Haftar way harder then they are, which so far they aren't the LNA has taken heavy losses against the GNA. Haftar cannot win unless some serious support is sent and Russia is willing to do this.

    LNA withdrew without a fight to Sirte / Jafra front which is far more defendable and far from Tripoli and Misrata. Jafra is shared between UAE and Russia. Both use Jafrah to project power in Med. Jafra airbase is biggest airbase in Libya. Used to host MiG-25 there.

    https://twitter.com/oded121351/status/1174678131875168256

    Russia don't need Haftar to take over all of Libya. The ceasefire was announced after LNA withdrew to Sirte and Jafra without a fight. So Russia is keeping Sirte and Jafra which is enough to project the power in Med.

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