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    Post  Fred333 Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:34 pm

    JohninMK wrote:A USAF C-17 has just completed the Ramstein/Tripoli/Ankara/Ramstein round trip. Wonder if a Pantsir has started its long trip to its new home in the US Army enemy weapons battleground or Red Flag zone?

    Meanwhile its seems to be a case of easy come, easy go!

    Oryx
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    We're currently only seven AFVs away from the LNA having lost 100 tanks, BMPs and SPGs to the GNA in just two days. C'mon LNA, you can do it! Sharing is caring!

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    newly delivered Russian T-62M and 62MVs captured. plus some M30 howitizers

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    Talking about like an armored battalion worth of vehicles being left behind. approaching 100 now.

    Lost Weapons
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    Some of the crazy amount of weapons and vehicles left behind by LNA as they fled greater tripoli. Sirte could now fall next. Shame GNA doesnt have unified media like Syria so you could see all the weapons captured. Every GNA fighter on instagram has a truck full of weapons now




    Oryx
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    The first sighting of a Russian-delivered T-62M tank in Libya. Of course after having been abandoned by the LNA in perfect running order. This is the third Russian-delivered tank to have been captured in two days, after two T-62MVs were already captured earlier.


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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:27 pm

    This is looking bad for LNA. One minute seemed to be doing OK the next full scale retreat leaving everything behind makes u wonder if something has been agreed behind close doors, UAE and Egypt sitting there doing nothing and keeping quiet hmmmmmmmm
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:32 pm

    Poor tactics tbh. If they were retreating, should of taken the armor. If can't, they should have booby trapped it or disabled it.

    Maybe they are just expecting Egypt/UAE to purchase more for them from Russia.

    Setbacks always happen. See Syria
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:37 pm

    GNA entered Sirte.

    Wagner PMC is allegedly retreating from AlJufra.

    Both needs confirmation.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:49 pm

    At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Erdogan takes Benghazi within the month and then turn his attention to taking back Egypt for Turkey. Putin is 100% Erdogan's lapdog who strategically refuses to activate S-400 making the S-400 deal a hanging fruit in Putin's face thereby making Putin his personal slave.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:50 pm

    Fred333 wrote:
    Oryxspioenkop are sociopathic Bellingcat affiliates, which you can see in their gloating descriptions of ISIS. They are also disgusting ISIS/Jihadi fanboys. Their info might be correct, but beware their framing.

    Thanks, they are up to 117 now.

    This can surely only be the result of some kind of a deal. Not a shot seems to have been fired on the retreat.


    KRS - URACOM
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    #GNA forces entering #Sirte.


    Approx position an hour ago


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    Video at link

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    #LNA forces withdrawing from #AlJufrah airbase.


    https://twitter.com/alkaraisili/status/1269232490167836672
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:04 pm

    Current photo claimed to be 'illustrative' of distance to Benghazi and Tobruk respectively.

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    (using this example because it's recent, obvious, easy & comes from a generally credible source, but this is true for both sides)

    Top-official GNA post from 1 hour ago, bottom top right-post from 2016



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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:14 pm

    That was mainly Turkish sourced from social media.

    This is LNA sourced (not sure about the map)

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    The news of the GNA militia taking control of Sirte is incorrect and you never entered it. last info.

    1h
    Sirt is under LNA, but the defense is weak ... I wouldn't be surprised if they withdraw from the city in 15-20 minutes

    1h
    A Turkish battleship targeting the Al-Saadi battalion camp, the Galat Gate, and several other locations within the city of Sirte.

    1h
    Completely opposite news from both sides about the control of Sirte. Both Tr / GNA and LNA forces perform air strikes.Although both sides lie equally, a neutral source says Sirte is under the LNA.

    LNA armed forces are still present west of the city of Sirte, defeating the militias and forcing them to retreat to the west.
    And also the Air Force is still bombing their convoys

    1h
    A neutral Libyan source.
    There is no truth to the news of the the Turkish invasion militia and mercenary control of Sirte

    Turkish sources — not Libyan — exclusively Tr say that GNAi and Turkish militias have taken over Sirte. Of course on twitter.

    The Turkish GNA enemy retreated beyond the Bouirat Al-Hassoun area west of Sirte.

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    fighting the fiercest battles west of Sirte, a distance of 25 kilometers-confirmed to me by a Libyan source.

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    Clashes reached the first suburb of #Sirte: Al-Dahir ( 31.191980, 16.414950 )


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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:11 pm

    Funny how fast Al-Kaida and Daesh terrorists turn into "government forces" as long as this regime is a western poodle.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:20 pm

    If Russia backs GNA the very same day America would sanction Tripoli.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:05 pm

    Another view of the GNA/LNA border

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    No photos and videos from #GNA inside #Sirte, knowing the Middle Eastern mentality when it comes to taking over territories, it seems something did not go as planned..


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    LNA succceeded in repelling the GNA attack on Sirte city, with the help of air support, that made the GNA retreats dozens of kilometers west of the city

    It seems that the LNA has a plan for confrontation & does not intend to retreat from these areas, in contrary to the expected.


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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:43 pm

    Whichever side Russia backs the US will oppose. If Russia backs GNA the US will oppose GNA. If Russia backs LNA the US will oppose LNA. The US deep state hates Russia and wants all Russians killed and Russia wiped off the map. The US deep state is pretty evil if you think about it.
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    Post  ahmedfire Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:54 pm

    Yes GNA tried to take sirte but LNA did some airstrikes and killed 30 of GNA which retreated .

    But the most important thing today is the meeting between Sisi ,Haftar and head of parliment Aqila Salih .

    Egypt announced a new ceasefire plan in Libya . France ,Russia,US ,Saudi ,Jordan ,UAE and Bahrain welcomed the plan but GNA rejected it .

    Ceasefire is planned to start Monday 6 AM ( in the conference Sisi said on hour 600 (which is a military time and a sign that Egypt could move .) ).

    No one knows what Sisi is going to do when the time is up and GNA still refusing the seasefire .




    Egypt's Sisi announces Cairo Declaration to end crisis in Libya .





    Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi, commander of the Libyan National Army (LNA) Khalifa Haftar, and Libya's parliament speaker Aguila Saleh have announced a new joint political initiative aimed at ending the conflict in Libya.
    In a press conference in Cairo, El-Sisi announced the initiative following a tripartite meeting with Haftar and Saleh.

    The initiative, dubbed the Cairo Declaration, mandates a Libyan-Libyan resolution as a basis for resolving the country’s conflict under resolutions by the UN and past efforts in Paris, Rome, Abu Dhabi, and most recently in Berlin.

    The Cairo plan comes after the collapse of an offensive launched by Haftar in April 2019 to capture the Libyan capital, further extending the Government of National Accord’s (GNA) control of most of northwest Libya.

    Egypt, the UAE and Russia are backing Haftar, while Turkey has been supporting the GNA.

    The initiative stipulates a ceasefire should start 6 am (4 GMT) 8 June, with an adherence to all international initiatives and Security Council resolutions on the unity and territorial integrity of Libyan lands.

    It also stipulates the continuation of talks by the 5+5 Libyan Joint Military Commission in Geneva sponsored by the UN, and obliges all foreign parties to “remove all foreign mercenaries nationwide, the dismantling of militias, and the handover of weapons to allow the LNA to cooperate with other security apparatuses to carry out their military duty.”

    It also stipulates resolving the crisis through ensuring a fair representation for Libya’s three provinces through a presidential council elected by the nation under a UN supervision for governance in the country for the first time in the country’s history.

    It would also see a starting point to unify Libyan institutions to allow them to carry out their duties and ensure a fair and transparent distribution of Libyan resources to all citizens.

    The initiative also sees the adoption of a constitutional declaration that governs the upcoming period politically.

    Key points on 18-month transitional period

    Tripoli, Cyrenaic and Fezzan shall form an electoral college with members selected from representatives of the provinces in the parliament and High Council of State and tribal elders.

    The provinces shall be tasked with selecting their representative for the presidential council and a deputy prime minister to form a presidential council comprising of a president and two deputies.

    The presidential council shall after naming a prime minister who will carry duties with deputies, form a government and present it to the presidential council ahead of a referral to the House of Representatives for a vote of confidence.

    Every province shall receive a proportionate number of ministerial portfolios depending on capita after a consensus is reached on the members of the new presidential council and the appointment of the prime minister.

    Per the initiative, Tripoli would receive four ministerial portfolios, Cyrenaic and Fezzan each holding seven and five portfolios respectively.

    The six sovereign ministries would be split between the three provinces equally, with each province holding two sovereign ministries with the appointment of two deputies from the other provinces.

    The House of Representatives shall be tasked with adopting constitutional declaration amendments through a legislative committee formed by parliament speaker Aguila Saleh.

    The committee, which would include representatives from the House of Representatives and State, would agree on the needed amendments in the declaration for a period not exceeding 30 days from the beginning of the committee’s work.

    The electoral college selected by each province under UN supervision shall form a committee comprising national figures and constitutional experts to draft a new constitution for the country and put it to referendum.

    The committee shall execute duties within 90 days of its formation after the parliament’s approval.

    Per the initiative, the transitional period is set at 18 months, to be expanded to no more than six additional months if needed.

    ‘Libyan crisis not limited to Libya alone’

    “These two leaders have shown during meetings in the past days their desire to enforce the Libyan people’s wish for stability,” El-Sisi said, describing both Haftar and Saleh as leaders who have shown ‘responsibility and patriotism’.

    El-Sisi stressed on the gravity of the current situation in Libya, especially with the crisis’ repercussions not being limited to Libya, but spreading to neighboring countries as well.

    He warned against some actors on the Libyan scene pursuing any military action in the war-torn country.

    “What worries us is actions by some actors on the scene despite efforts to find an appropriate solution for the crisis,” El-Sisi said.

    Speaking in Cairo during the press conference, Haftar said the continued Turkish supply of arms and mercenaries to the “unconstitutional” GNA would increase the state of polarisation.

    “We stress our support and agreement for this initiative, hoping to garner international support to push Libya to safety,” he said.

    “Turkey wants to besiege Egypt and Libya,” Haftar said, calling on El-Sisi to exert more efforts to oblige Turkey to stop sending arms and mercenaries to Libya.

    From his part, Saleh stressed that the LNA was “purging the country from terrorist and armed groups,” adding that Turkey sent 10,000 fighters and mercenaries from Syria and Turkey during its intervention.

    “This initiative complies with what the Libyan people are accustomed to and with the Libyan constitution and governance in the transitional period, which I hope is not prolonged,” he said.

    http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/371593/Egypt/Politics-/Egypts-Sisi-holds-summit-in-Cairo-with-Libyas-Haft.aspx
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:58 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:Yes GNA tried to take sirte but LNA did some airstrikes and killed 30 of GNA which retreated .

    But the most important thing today is the meeting between Sisi ,Haftar and head of parliment Aqila Salih .

    Egypt announced a new ceasefire plan in Libya . France ,Russia,US ,Saudi ,Jordan ,UAE and Bahrain welcomed the plan but GNA rejected it .

    Ceasefire is planned to start Monday 6 AM ( in the conference Sisi said on hour 600 (which is a military time and a sign that Egypt could move .) ).

    No one knows what Sisi is going to do when the time is up and GNA still refusing the seasefire .




    Egypt's Sisi announces Cairo Declaration to end crisis in Libya .






    Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi, commander of the Libyan National Army (LNA) Khalifa Haftar, and Libya's parliament speaker Aguila Saleh have announced a new joint political initiative aimed at ending the conflict in Libya.
    In a press conference in Cairo, El-Sisi announced the initiative following a tripartite meeting with Haftar and Saleh.

    The initiative, dubbed the Cairo Declaration, mandates a Libyan-Libyan resolution as a basis for resolving the country’s conflict under resolutions by the UN and past efforts in Paris, Rome, Abu Dhabi, and most recently in Berlin.

    The Cairo plan comes after the collapse of an offensive launched by Haftar in April 2019 to capture the Libyan capital, further extending the Government of National Accord’s (GNA) control of most of northwest Libya.

    Egypt, the UAE and Russia are backing Haftar, while Turkey has been supporting the GNA.

    The initiative stipulates a ceasefire should start 6 am (4 GMT) 8 June, with an adherence to all international initiatives and Security Council resolutions on the unity and territorial integrity of Libyan lands.

    It also stipulates the continuation of talks by the 5+5 Libyan Joint Military Commission in Geneva sponsored by the UN, and obliges all foreign parties to “remove all foreign mercenaries nationwide, the dismantling of militias, and the handover of weapons to allow the LNA to cooperate with other security apparatuses to carry out their military duty.”

    It also stipulates resolving the crisis through ensuring a fair representation for Libya’s three provinces through a presidential council elected by the nation under a UN supervision for governance in the country for the first time in the country’s history.

    It would also see a starting point to unify Libyan institutions to allow them to carry out their duties and ensure a fair and transparent distribution of Libyan resources to all citizens.

    The initiative also sees the adoption of a constitutional declaration that governs the upcoming period politically.

    Key points on 18-month transitional period

    Tripoli, Cyrenaic and Fezzan shall form an electoral college with members selected from representatives of the provinces in the parliament and High Council of State and tribal elders.

    The provinces shall be tasked with selecting their representative for the presidential council and a deputy prime minister to form a presidential council comprising of a president and two deputies.

    The presidential council shall after naming a prime minister who will carry duties with deputies, form a government and present it to the presidential council ahead of a referral to the House of Representatives for a vote of confidence.

    Every province shall receive a proportionate number of ministerial portfolios depending on capita after a consensus is reached on the members of the new presidential council and the appointment of the prime minister.

    Per the initiative, Tripoli would receive four ministerial portfolios, Cyrenaic and Fezzan each holding seven and five portfolios respectively.

    The six sovereign ministries would be split between the three provinces equally, with each province holding two sovereign ministries with the appointment of two deputies from the other provinces.

    The House of Representatives shall be tasked with adopting constitutional declaration amendments through a legislative committee formed by parliament speaker Aguila Saleh.

    The committee, which would include representatives from the House of Representatives and State, would agree on the needed amendments in the declaration for a period not exceeding 30 days from the beginning of the committee’s work.

    The electoral college selected by each province under UN supervision shall form a committee comprising national figures and constitutional experts to draft a new constitution for the country and put it to referendum.

    The committee shall execute duties within 90 days of its formation after the parliament’s approval.

    Per the initiative, the transitional period is set at 18 months, to be expanded to no more than six additional months if needed.

    ‘Libyan crisis not limited to Libya alone’

    “These two leaders have shown during meetings in the past days their desire to enforce the Libyan people’s wish for stability,” El-Sisi said, describing both Haftar and Saleh as leaders who have shown ‘responsibility and patriotism’.

    El-Sisi stressed on the gravity of the current situation in Libya, especially with the crisis’ repercussions not being limited to Libya, but spreading to neighboring countries as well.

    He warned against some actors on the Libyan scene pursuing any military action in the war-torn country.

    “What worries us is actions by some actors on the scene despite efforts to find an appropriate solution for the crisis,” El-Sisi said.

    Speaking in Cairo during the press conference, Haftar said the continued Turkish supply of arms and mercenaries to the “unconstitutional” GNA would increase the state of polarisation.

    “We stress our support and agreement for this initiative, hoping to garner international support to push Libya to safety,” he said.

    “Turkey wants to besiege Egypt and Libya,” Haftar said, calling on El-Sisi to exert more efforts to oblige Turkey to stop sending arms and mercenaries to Libya.

    From his part, Saleh stressed that the LNA was “purging the country from terrorist and armed groups,” adding that Turkey sent 10,000 fighters and mercenaries from Syria and Turkey during its intervention.

    “This initiative complies with what the Libyan people are accustomed to and with the Libyan constitution and governance in the transitional period, which I hope is not prolonged,” he said.

    http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/371593/Egypt/Politics-/Egypts-Sisi-holds-summit-in-Cairo-with-Libyas-Haft.aspx

    Of course Erdogan rejects ceasefire. Erdogan's plan is to transport tens of thousands of terrorists from northern Syria to Libya to take over Libya and Egypt and then transport millions of terrorists from Libya and Egypt to take over Syria and then transport millions of terrorists from Libya and Egypt and Syria to take over Russia. Erdogan is out of control and gone mad.
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    Post  ahmedfire Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:03 am

    Of course Erdogan rejects ceasefire. Erdogan's plan is to transport tens of thousands of terrorists from northern Syria to Libya to take over Libya and Egypt and then transport millions of terrorists from Libya and Egypt to take over Syria and then transport millions of terrorists from Libya and Egypt and Syria to take over Russia. Erdogan is out of control and gone mad.

    Situation could change by tomorrow Monday , serious action could happen .To be fair this plan should be rejected by GNA and i expect that Sisi knews GNA would refuse it for sure ,so may be the other option is being prepared .
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    Post  ahmedfire Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:15 am

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    47 killed just from #Misrata today in the outskirts of #Sirte
    #GNA militia have been fully repelled back to AbuGrian - Alwashka .
    #Libya
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    Post  ahmedfire Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:33 am

    LNA downed TB-2

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    Post  George1 Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:46 am

    JohninMK wrote:A USAF C-17 has just completed the Ramstein/Tripoli/Ankara/Ramstein round trip. Wonder if a Pantsir has started its long trip to its new home in the US Army enemy weapons battleground or Red Flag zone?

    Meanwhile its seems to be a case of easy come, easy go!

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    We're currently only seven AFVs away from the LNA having lost 100 tanks, BMPs and SPGs to the GNA in just two days. C'mon LNA, you can do it! Sharing is caring!

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    newly delivered Russian T-62M and 62MVs captured. plus some M30 howitizers

    Lost Weapons
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    Talking about like an armored battalion worth of vehicles being left behind. approaching 100 now.

    Lost Weapons
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    Some of the crazy amount of weapons and vehicles left behind by LNA as they fled greater tripoli. Sirte could now fall next. Shame GNA doesnt have unified media like Syria so you could see all the weapons captured. Every GNA fighter on instagram has a truck full of weapons now




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    The first sighting of a Russian-delivered T-62M tank in Libya. Of course after having been abandoned by the LNA in perfect running order. This is the third Russian-delivered tank to have been captured in two days, after two T-62MVs were already captured earlier.


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    Photos with captured equipment here:

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4050929.html
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    Post  ahmedfire Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:47 am

    And another downed drone

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    #LNA's air-defenses shot a #Turkish drone just recently west of  #Sirte

    Video
    https://twitter.com/LNA2019M/status/1269398802349412357
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:04 am

    ahmedfire wrote:And another downed drone

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    #LNA's air-defenses shot a #Turkish drone just recently west of  #Sirte

    Video
    https://twitter.com/LNA2019M/status/1269398802349412357

    Egypt has a good airforce it could deploy if it wanted to, make a mess of those drones.
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    Post  George1 Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:48 am

    France supposed were supporting Haftar. I dont see them active
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    Post  Mindstorm Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:40 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:And another downed drone

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    #LNA's air-defenses shot a #Turkish drone just recently west of  #Sirte

    Video
    https://twitter.com/LNA2019M/status/1269398802349412357

    Egypt has a good airforce it could deploy if it wanted to, make a mess of those drones.


    Already the in place scarce Libyan air defense systems , particularly the few UAE's Панцирь-С1s, have produced enormous losses in enemy UAVs of several kind and the losses recently occurred among those air defenses, anyhow disproportionately low if put in comparison with the losses inflicted to enemy systems, are almost completely the product of attacks conducted during hastly retreat or of direct abandonement of equipment caused by the turning tide on the ground

    While scarce knowledgeable journalists ,with also vested interests for part of MIC in propmoting the supposed role of some secondary systems in the war operations, continue to focus the attention on the missions of UAVs, that in all the pasted months before the beginning of the GNA's ground operations has been lost in enormous amount without achieving any noticeable result, the "inejction" of more than 10000 battle-hardened fighters from Syria well equiped, supported by new artillery and armoured transport and cohordinated and guided directly by Turkey Command have overturned the inertia on the ground.

    LNA troops do not hastly run away from air bases ,command sites, fortified positions in buildings and tunnels, disguised ambush emplacements, abandoning behind a lot of personal carriers, artillery guns ,MRLS, SAMs and communication equipment without even burning them before or attempting to mount such equipement on improvised truks , from some UAVs armed with theirs very-low yield few ammunitions that fall burning on the ground much more often than when manage to really hit something, but instead from the artillery, sniper rifles, ATGMs, MRLS, medium and light authomatic fire of thousands of war-trained advancing enemy troops

    The tide will eventually turn another time between the two sides only if the respective potential on the ground will change newly.



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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:01 pm

    We have a winner, GNA. Perhaps the ultimate in Technical dick waving contests, 90mm. The recoil must be impressive, accuracy less so.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:25 pm

    It seems that the LNA militias on their 'liberating' way west left a few 'incidents' in their wake. Now the GNA, with their Daa'sh, al-Qaida, Turkish Army/terrorists & Misrata Islamists allies, are 'liberating' in turn as they head east and as some of them are professional liberators trained in Syria they are probably doing a more thorough job. This is a thread on the subject.

    Perhaps having a vengeful horde on their tail accelerated the progress of the LNA. Either way its not a good way to win friends and influence people.


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    Total failure of the #GNA's MoI to provide security in #Tarhuna.

    Mohsen Kani's house is being blown up in the video below - many properties were looted/burnt.

    Members of the Tarhuna Protection Force have engaged in retribution acts after finding their relatives had been killed.


    https://twitter.com/emad_badi/status/1269404929833218050
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:48 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:And another downed drone

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    #LNA's air-defenses shot a #Turkish drone just recently west of  #Sirte

    Video
    https://twitter.com/LNA2019M/status/1269398802349412357

    Egypt has a good airforce it could deploy if it wanted to, make a mess of those drones.


    Already the in place scarce Libyan air defense systems , particularly the few UAE's Панцирь-С1s, have produced enormous losses in enemy UAVs of several kind and the losses recently occurred among those air defenses, anyhow disproportionately low if put in comparison with the losses inflicted to enemy systems, are almost completely the product of attacks conducted during hastly retreat or of direct abandonement of equipment caused by the turning tide on the ground

    While scarce knowledgeable journalists ,with also vested interests for part of MIC in propmoting the supposed role of some secondary systems in the war operations, continue to focus the attention on the missions of UAVs, that in all the pasted months before the beginning of the GNA's ground operations has been lost in enormous amount without achieving any noticeable result, the "inejction" of more than 10000 battle-hardened fighters from Syria well equiped, supported by new artillery and armoured transport and cohordinated and guided directly by Turkey Command have overturned the inertia on the ground.

    LNA troops do not hastly run away from air bases ,command sites, fortified positions in buildings and tunnels, disguised ambush emplacements, abandoning behind a lot of personal carriers, artillery guns ,MRLS, SAMs and communication equipment without even burning them before or attempting to mount such equipement on improvised truks , from some UAVs armed with theirs very-low yield few ammunitions that fall burning on the ground much more often than when manage to really hit something, but instead from the artillery, sniper rifles, ATGMs, MRLS, medium and light authomatic fire of thousands of war-trained advancing enemy troops

    The tide will eventually turn another time between the two sides only if the respective potential on the ground will change newly.    



     

    If Russia refuses SAA open up second front in M4 highway then we can expect these tens of thousands of terrorists Erdogan transported from Syria to Libya will commit massacres in Benghazi and god knows whee else in Libya. Putin is just as guilty as Erdogan in this respect by being best buddies with the mad Erdog.

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