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    Post  Arrow Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:45 pm

    Over the base of American ICBMs, the Chinese US aerosat is unable to shoot it down Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:35 pm

    Keep on mind, that the thing FIRST traveled across All Canada without event being spotted 😱

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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 04, 2023 12:12 am

    The Chinese claim it is not theirs...

    Ironically it was Japan that started launching balloons like that during WWII, but during the Cold war the west sent lots of balloons over the Soviet Union to spy... funny to see them getting a taste of their own medicine...
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    Post  Arrow Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:16 am

    The US tried to shoot down the balloon without success Laughing

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    Post  Hole Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:56 am

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    First pic of the failed shot down attempt.
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:27 pm

    ... but you do realize that the whole world is watching?
    How a bloody balloon paraded across the whole North America continent, being - finally - spotted with the EYES of the witnesses?
    And for the third day, they didn't manage to take it down?
    NORAD / SHITRAD
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    Post  Isos Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:45 pm

    What f-22 doing ?

    One bullet above a wood area is enough.
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    Post  Arrow Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:57 pm


    What f-22 doing ? wrote:

    An F-22 shot down a balloon over the Atlantic
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    Post  nomadski Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:41 pm


    Question for our space experts : At what height does " space " actually start ? For the purposes of it being in international area legally ? After all satellites are not shot down , even if gathering intelligence , because they are in space ? Can balloon be high enough to say , it was in space ? Also , I doubt this Balloon was innocent weather thing . Because the yanks shot it down over Sea . So they can say " we don't know what it was . " But if shot over land ,then no excuse , must say it was spy Balloon and risk souring relations . Therefore the yanks want to back down and not escalate , whatever they were escalating !
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    Post  Isos Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:50 pm

    2 days to intercept a balloon... must be a record.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:53 pm

    Arrow wrote:An F-22 shot down a balloon over the Atlantic
    Popped its cherry on a fucking balloon Razz
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    Post  andalusia Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:34 am

    Can someone explain to me about this Chinese Spy Balloon that the US shot down? What is going on? Do it belong to China and why would China do something like this?


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    Post  Sujoy Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:45 am

    So the various SAM systems like Patriot that NATO is sending to Ukraine are not even good enough to shoot down a balloon over water. A fighter jet had to be send to do the job.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:49 am

    Can someone explain to me about this Chinese Spy Balloon that the US shot down? What is going on? Do it belong to China and why would China do something like this?

    They claim it is a weather balloon... they might be taking the piss or it might be genuine... the US is treating it as a spy platform which is no real surprise because most of their weather balloons were spy platforms...

    Not really on topic on this thread however. Off Topic

    So the various SAM systems like Patriot that NATO is sending to Ukraine are not even good enough to shoot down a balloon over water. A fighter jet had to be send to do the job.

    To be fair balloons are normally rather tricky targets, the soviets developed a special range of specialist platforms designed to shoot them down.


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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:30 am

    For the Us space begins at 80km, for most of the world 100km (Kármán-line).

    But as one Twitter user pointed out, there is a an article in that treaty for balloons. If they are above 80.000ft
    they are like satellites (from a legal point of view). Who wanted this article?  Very Happy The US.  lol1

    Other question: was the balloon still in american airspace or over international waters?

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:To be fair balloons are normally rather tricky targets, the soviets developed a special range of specialist platforms designed to shoot them down.
    Off Topic
    You can shift this discussion to the appropriate thread. What weapons did the USSR use to neutralize such "spy balloons"?

    Americans managed to send a F-22 that cost $85,325 an hour to fly and fired a $350K AIM-9X to bring down a $1000 balloon.


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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:10 am

    Not even close to the worlds best air defence though....
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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:23 am

    So despite the posts are about a Chinese balloon shot down after flying over US territory this thread is about Soviet anti balloon technology of the cold war.

    Balloons drift very slowly and are difficult targets to detect and track for radar, which is why the US and the west used them to send spy platforms across the Soviet Union before they could use satellites.

    The Japanese also sent balloons to cross the Pacific Ocean to attack the US by starting forest fires... this would not normally be very practical except that the coast of the US is enormous so launching enormous numbers of balloons should result in some hits and cause problems.

    The main problems of interception is a high closing speed with a fighter aircraft and a drifting balloon, many Soviet attempted solutions included aircraft with 23mm cannon using very special 23mm cannon shells that had very very sensitive nose fuses.

    The problem was normal shells would pass through the balloon without exploding and make tiny puncture holes that would take days to effect the balloons height.

    The new shells exploded on impact with the balloons skin but were so sensitive they could explode if fired in the rain.

    Low altitude balloons were used as well of course...

    Versions of the An-2 and various fighter aircraft and the aircraft that eventually became the M-17 were fitted with dorsal mounted cannon and optimised to fly at altitude for the job of shooting down balloons.

    It was a dead end technology however as satellites replaced them for intel gathering.

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