KoTeMoRe Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:57 am
À CSAR mission is going to always be reactive, unless you plan for your planes, people to get shot. The Idea here is simple. Unlike the Russian CSAR mission, the US in similar circumstances, haven't been à level above. As for not being à trap, well We had à discussion here and the Turkish math doesn't add up regarding the SU 24 shotdown. Same for that TOW readiness. They hauled it on the spot while being "in front" of it, not behind. The actual TOW team and welcome committee, was on both sides of the valley by the time the CSAR went in. We know this, because the fuckers taped it. An then again in Ex Yu same NATO airmen got caught and roughed up. There is no CSAR superiority. There is specialized personnel. But CSAR is à hit&miss business.
Personally for what was worth, the set up, the actual command to shot down the Su and the area where it was shot down cannot be some kind of mishap.
The Turks done this with the SyAAF where they shot a Syrian jet then an helicopter while it was well behind the border and got the pilots downed. It's not something new. The placement of the Ambush team that was special. Because they were right on the spot of the shot down. Which per se wouldn't be a problem, there were clashes a bit further. What wasn't normal was that the Turkmen group was within range of the air crew within 3/4 minutes and that the plane was shot above their positions. This was new. The two other aircraft shot were around "Moderats positions", but this time the plane was shot over them.
The CSAR left within 15 minutes. The helicopters got there as fast as possible. Although there was nothing to save actually. Because the pursuit group had FIRED on the airmen. They had visual contact, unlike the F117 pilot. It's a great luck that one of the crew-members was still alive.
Same for the Red Wings SEALS, that's why I'm comparing what is comparable.
Airmen/Distress callers in range from their pursuit party.
CSAR mission that goes in.
One mission doesn't get out.
Guess which one.
If you maintain the superiority of the US CSAR in comparable situations, I don't know what to add more. But personally I cannot voucher for that.