Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    avatar
    Tai Hai Chen

    Posts : 131
    Points : 133
    Join date : 2020-09-22

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:22 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    medo wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1312827153285820416

    Artzakh army capture Azerbaijani positions.

    The Azeri-Turk army seems to be nothing without its flying killer robots and pro-Turkish Syrian terrorists; the later of which just seem to be serving as cannon fodder here literally just to reveal Armenian ground and artillery positions, in the same manner that Azerbaijan has employed converted unmanned An-2s to reveal Armenian air defense positions


    It's showing Azeri has taken the time to prepare for this war Armenia however seemed to have it's head up an ass.

    Tho the Armenian's up until a few days ago was doing well, the tide does seem to be shifting.

    Can Armenia stabilize and recapture or will it bleed out slowly we shall see.

    Armenia bought Su-30SM to counter drone. It's very effective.
    Hannibal Barca
    Hannibal Barca

    Posts : 1359
    Points : 1371
    Join date : 2013-12-13

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:31 am

    Azeris attempted offensive, but they haven't made it deeper than the boarder line really. Armenian heavy artillery does make the difference so far. This is me, judging from the map.

    flamming_python and Regular like this post

    Regular
    Regular

    Posts : 2412
    Points : 2404
    Join date : 2013-03-11
    Location : Western Hemisphere.. mostly

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  Regular on Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:37 am

    lyle6 wrote:
    Maximmmm wrote:
    Mountains are just a mess. Reminds me of all those yemeni vids; ambush after ambush.
    Question is how many of those are syrians and libyans, since while cannon fodder dies, the political pressures on the azeri side remain low.
    Quite a bit, though it appears the Azeris have been pressing the minorities into the frontlines to make up numbers. They'd eventually have to send in their own soldiers, but I doubt they'd be any more effective than these rabble. The past flare ups had Azeri special forces leading the way, but they got chewed up for their trouble.

    Most of the dead shown by Armenians are just Azeri kids in the infantry. They recently showed 30+ dead with their passports exposed so Azeris can't hide dead in the statistics.
    This was just from one engagement.
    I think they are the ones doing the dying, those mercinaries are useless in this war.. no urban environment to play shoot and skoot.
    There were already plenty of dead Syrians without them even getting into close engagements.. driving white pickups in narrow roads where you can't maneuver is a suicide.. Hills have eyes and few arty salvos usually solve this refugee crisis.
    magnumcromagnon
    magnumcromagnon

    Posts : 6210
    Points : 6363
    Join date : 2013-12-05
    Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:15 am

    Regular wrote:
    lyle6 wrote:
    Maximmmm wrote:
    Mountains are just a mess. Reminds me of all those yemeni vids; ambush after ambush.
    Question is how many of those are syrians and libyans, since while cannon fodder dies, the political pressures on the azeri side remain low.
    Quite a bit, though it appears the Azeris have been pressing the minorities into the frontlines to make up numbers. They'd eventually have to send in their own soldiers, but I doubt they'd be any more effective than these rabble. The past flare ups had Azeri special forces leading the way, but they got chewed up for their trouble.

    Most of the dead shown by Armenians are just Azeri kids in the infantry. They recently showed 30+ dead with their passports exposed so Azeris can't hide dead in the statistics.
    This was just from one engagement.
    I think they are the ones doing the dying, those mercinaries are useless in this war.. no urban environment to play shoot and skoot.
    There were already plenty of dead Syrians without them even getting into close engagements.. driving white pickups in narrow roads where you can't maneuver is a suicide.. Hills have eyes and few arty salvos  usually solve this refugee crisis.

    Are we now calling Turkish and GCC Jihadists transplanted in to Northern Syria and now recently transported to Azerbaijan, Syrians now? Rolling Eyes Virtually no real Syrians support Turks in any form or fashion....These 'Syrians' are as Syrian as any one of us are Kryptonian.

    slasher, miketheterrible and Hole like this post

    avatar
    Mindstorm

    Posts : 1009
    Points : 1176
    Join date : 2011-07-20

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  Mindstorm on Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:39 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    medo wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1312827153285820416

    Artzakh army capture Azerbaijani positions.

    The Azeri-Turk army seems to be nothing without its flying killer robots and pro-Turkish Syrian terrorists; the later of which just seem to be serving as cannon fodder here literally just to reveal Armenian ground and artillery positions, in the same manner that Azerbaijan has employed converted unmanned An-2s to reveal Armenian air defense positions



    The situation is even more simple : for each battlefield calsh that is recorded in video there is 30-40, very often of much greater scale and with way more material and human losses involved, that happen without any video recording of the action

    90% of the losses in this conflict, like in almost any conflict between comparable opponents, happen at short to short-medium range, very often well within LOS, and obviously without any video involved ; therefore fatally the role and impact of some systems (above all UAV and UCAV with theirs by-default video equipment) in the PR campaign of each side and unfortunately also some scarcely proficient military analyst more interested in propose a "trendy" subject that in providing a serious representation of the situation, become largely over-represented.


    Knowing how much losses on the total really produce all the UAV UCAV attacks (all having theirs video) and their own losses ,even in an area with very scarce and outdated AD systems, would truly disappoint several enthusiasts: several of the attacks by part of suicide drones or the lightweight missiles that the bigger drones can carry, in particular against more heavily armoured units often produce only minor damages not even interfering with the continuation of the vehicle mission or damages repaireable within few hours (repalcement of engine/track hit or some external vectronic element ) and this is exactly the reason for which almost always those videos of UAV attacks stop just after the hit Wink
    ahmedfire
    ahmedfire

    Posts : 1372
    Points : 1550
    Join date : 2010-11-12
    Location : The Land Of Pharaohs

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:46 am

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:The TB2 drones are shock and awe at first but over time the adversary adapts. It was used successfully in Syria at first and then in Libya then lost its effectiveness as the adversary started using MANPADS. Same happens in Armenia. And now with Canada talking about banning the sale of EO to Turkey, a TB2 lost is a TB2 that can't be replaced since Turkey has no technology to  make EO.

    They are depending on WESCAM MX-15D , they have their own projects but don't match with the Canadian one .

    Against selling WESCAM products to Turkey

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Ejcanz10
    flamming_python
    flamming_python

    Posts : 4028
    Points : 4114
    Join date : 2012-01-31

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:50 am

    Mindstorm wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    medo wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1312827153285820416

    Artzakh army capture Azerbaijani positions.

    The Azeri-Turk army seems to be nothing without its flying killer robots and pro-Turkish Syrian terrorists; the later of which just seem to be serving as cannon fodder here literally just to reveal Armenian ground and artillery positions, in the same manner that Azerbaijan has employed converted unmanned An-2s to reveal Armenian air defense positions



    The situation is even more simple : for each battlefield calsh that is recorded in video there is 30-40, very often of much greater scale and with way more material and human losses involved, that happen without any video recording of the action

    90% of the losses in this conflict, like in almost any conflict between comparable opponents, happen at short to short-medium range, very often well within LOS, and obviously without any video involved ; therefore fatally the role and impact of some systems (above all UAV and UCAV with theirs by-default video equipment) in the PR campaign of each side and unfortunately also some scarcely proficient military analyst more interested in propose a "trendy" subject that in providing a serious representation of the situation, become largely over-represented.


    Knowing how much losses on the total really produce all the UAV UCAV attacks (all having theirs video) and their own losses ,even in an area with very scarce and outdated AD systems, would truly disappoint several enthusiasts: several of the attacks by part of suicide drones or the lightweight missiles that the bigger drones can carry, in particular against more heavily armoured units often produce only minor damages not even interfering with the continuation of the vehicle mission or damages repaireable within few hours (repalcement of engine/track hit or some external vectronic element ) and this is exactly the reason for which almost always those videos of UAV attacks stop just after the hit Wink  

    I agree. And the selective UAV vids don't show the times they missed either, nor when they're shot down.

    The most telling vids are the ones of mass corpses after a territory has been taken, neither side seems to miss the opportunity.
    Together with just seeing how much ground the Azeri side have taken. After a week, doesn't seem like they've taken much, and their UAV inventory is no doubt getting depleted, as is their stream of Syrian mercs.

    As for casualties; I suspect most of them are from artillery not from small arms
    avatar
    par far

    Posts : 2113
    Points : 2314
    Join date : 2014-06-27

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  par far on Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:57 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Azeris attempted offensive, but they haven't made it deeper than the boarder line really. Armenian heavy artillery does make the difference so far. This is me, judging from the map.

    What map are you looking at Hannibal?
    avatar
    par far

    Posts : 2113
    Points : 2314
    Join date : 2014-06-27

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  par far on Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:01 am

    ahmedfire wrote:
    Tai Hai Chen wrote:The TB2 drones are shock and awe at first but over time the adversary adapts. It was used successfully in Syria at first and then in Libya then lost its effectiveness as the adversary started using MANPADS. Same happens in Armenia. And now with Canada talking about banning the sale of EO to Turkey, a TB2 lost is a TB2 that can't be replaced since Turkey has no technology to  make EO.

    They are depending on WESCAM MX-15D , they have their own projects but don't match with the Canadian one .

    Against selling WESCAM products to Turkey

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Ejcanz10


    If Turkey is willing to pay from it, they will get it somewhere else. This is why it is really important to be self sufficient.
    avatar
    Tai Hai Chen

    Posts : 131
    Points : 133
    Join date : 2020-09-22

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:30 am

    Armenian Smerch retaliating against Turkic invasion

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1312851883195850753
    lyle6
    lyle6

    Posts : 84
    Points : 86
    Join date : 2020-09-14

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  lyle6 on Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:40 am

    Azeris finally achieved some gains in the southeast. Took them long enough. They claim to have captured the town of Jabrayil and are close to Fuzuli. Both towns are uninhabited, having been depopulated of their Azeri populations and are relatively flat agricultural lands. However without occupying the commanding heights both territories are going to be deathtraps for anyone who tries to hold them - a lesson many a Syrian rebel and their Turkish handlers ought to be familiar at least.

    https://caucasus.liveuamap.com/en/2020/4-october-turkish-ministry-of-defense-after-the-villages

    KoTeMoRe
    KoTeMoRe

    Posts : 4063
    Points : 4080
    Join date : 2015-04-22
    Location : Krankhaus Central.

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:57 am

    https://twitter.com/islamicworldupd/status/1312849120307171330?s=20


    Hobo Army is baaaaaack.
    avatar
    Tai Hai Chen

    Posts : 131
    Points : 133
    Join date : 2020-09-22

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:02 am

    Large caliber sniper rifles is one department Armenians lack in. I can see Syrians and Iranians supplying these to Armenians to hurt their enemies the Turks.
    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 7908
    Points : 7991
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:21 am

    For those of you old enough to remember Baghdad Bob Smile

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 EjfsxGpXkAYpUlo?format=png&name=small

    Armenian likes this post

    JohninMK
    JohninMK

    Posts : 7908
    Points : 7991
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:28 am

    Sometimes Twitter serves up a goodie.

    ZOKA
    @200_zoka
    ·
    1h
    What a great precision of the Armenians. They managed to insert single Smerch right in front of the main door with inscription  Laughing



    Hikmet Hajiyev
    @HikmetHajiyev
    · 2h
    Proof of Armenia's delibarate and targeted attack against critical civilian infrastructure of Azerbaijan. #Missile landed in close proximity of energy block in #Mingachevir. But did not explode. Peace enforcement must continue to bring #Armenia to its senses and responsibility


    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 EjgtsN3XsAAZmee?format=jpg&name=360x360


    Serge
    @Zinvor
    · 1h
    Why does it look like you drilled a hole into otherwise perfect asphalt but the hole was too big so you put a piece of wood in it so it can be held up.

    Meanwhile Azerbaijan is the one destroying entire residential areas and hitting civilian infrastructure in Artsakh.



    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Ejg2RkZXYAAE0Jp?format=jpg&name=240x240

    Hole likes this post

    avatar
    Tai Hai Chen

    Posts : 131
    Points : 133
    Join date : 2020-09-22

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:35 am

    JohninMK wrote:Sometimes Twitter serves up a goodie.

    ZOKA
    @200_zoka
    ·
    1h
    What a great precision of the Armenians. They managed to insert single Smerch right in front of the main door with inscription  Laughing



    Hikmet Hajiyev
    @HikmetHajiyev
    · 2h
    Proof of Armenia's delibarate and targeted attack against critical civilian infrastructure of Azerbaijan. #Missile landed in close proximity of energy block in #Mingachevir. But did not explode. Peace enforcement must continue to bring #Armenia to its senses and responsibility


    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 EjgtsN3XsAAZmee?format=jpg&name=360x360


    Serge
    @Zinvor
    · 1h
    Why does it look like you drilled a hole into otherwise perfect asphalt but the hole was too big so you put a piece of wood in it so it can be held up.

    Meanwhile Azerbaijan is the one destroying entire residential areas and hitting civilian infrastructure in Artsakh.



    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Ejg2RkZXYAAE0Jp?format=jpg&name=240x240


    It does seem like Azeri propaganda. In any event, Armenians denies shelling Azerbaijan.

    Sponsored content

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 40 Empty Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:36 pm