Tsavo Lion wrote:Hold ur breath. Saakashvili lost his job & is now wanted by the authorities in Tbilisi; the same fate may await Pashinyan in Erevan.
Compering Saakashvili with Pashinyan? Are you serious?
In my opinion Pashinyan is even more Pro-Russian than Serj Sargsyan. That stupid misinformation is done exactly by Soros kinda people to drive Armenian and Russians away from each other.
Hope people coming with that BS is aware of that.
It's not at all propaganda. That's a cop out. There is an undeniable pro-western leaning among a sizeable proportion of the Armenian population. The 2018 protests had an outright "get out Russia" element. The country, like all others once part of the Soviet sphere, is divided along which path to take for the future. But one cannot serve to masters as the saying goes. In Armenia's case, they are literally caught between a rock and a hard place, with Turkey to the west and Azerbaijan to the east. Only Russia can guarantee their security.
Unfortunately, many there don't see it that way. It is incumbent on Armenia to prove it is an ally of Russia, not the other way around. You quite correctly pointed out some examples (re: Ukraine, Syria) where Armenia showed its friendship. But, as @kvs keeps saying, you cannot sit on two chairs. Playing the balancing game will go both ways. If it's to be a commercial or transactional type relationship like what Russia has with Germany or even Turkey, no problem. An alliance is much deeper than merely relying on superficial or past commonalities or shared histories.
That said, I do sympathize with that proportion of the country that do consider Russia an ally and share close ties. Unfortunately, I can't see Russia investing geo-politically too heavily anywhere right now, including Armenia, only to have some itself be made a mockery of in some domestic colour revolution that sells itself out to the West. Russia has to adapt it's geo-political outlook and posture to these new realities. Alliances can no longer be assumed or taken for granted as long term, and Russia should only give as much as it gets. This is becoming quite evident in observing Russia's approach to what is happening here in the Caucasus.
Russia shouldn't be like the US and impose itself on others, there's no need to. Let the US overextend and overspend itself into oblivion. Who wants to join Nato or whatever can go. In Armenia's case, good luck with that, because even if that were to happen, there is no way the West can guarantee any sort of security in that neighbourhood. Russia already has an aspiring member right on its southern border and is managing that quite skilfully. I don't see the big fuss over Armenia's possible shift, apart from the fact that it's virtually dead on arrival. If that what the country decides, fine by me. But if the distinct majority and the government in any country is united in a commitment to an alliance with Russia, then i highly doubt Russia would be so deliberative in its reactions, as it with Belarus for example as well.
I agree it's ultimately not our business what alliance or under whose wing the Armenians go, in the interests of their own security. NATO, or towards Iran. Especially if Russia can't impose some sort of stability on the south Caucasus.
But really Russia should impose this stability, and it should hold up its obligations to Armenians. It's in our interests as well, we don't need NATO on our south flank nor Iran and Turkey taking their rivalry into the Caucasus. Such a cynical policy of 'what will you give me for it' is Putin's way of eventually poisoning our relations with all ex-Soviet states.
Because it's not just the ruling parties, clans, etc... that matter, as Putin & co. seem to think given that they are such oligarchs themselves.
The people themselves have a memory, especially in such a situation as Armenia's.
Russia should do whatever's neccessary, twist whoever's arm, make whatever public statements needed, keep quiet about whatever needs to be quiet - but all for the sake of attaining a ceasefire there as quickly as possible and agreeing some sort of peace plan that the Armenians can accept, if it would mean lasting guaranteed peace.
I disagree about the 2018 protests in Armenia. That's it's internal affair, who they vote out, bring in, etc... same goes for Belarussians. Russia shouldn't interfere.
As for the anti-Russian aspect, I only saw a few small groups with such posters. I'm quite sure 95% of the protestors weren't out there to make some sort of political statement or voice any sort of opinion on internal affairs, simply stand against the corruption of their own elites, whether provoked by Soros or not.