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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:32 pm

    I see Iran supply Yasser suicide drones and large caliber sniper rifles and Kornet missiles to Armenia later this month. These are used very effectively in Yemen and decimated KSA and UAE ground forces.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:32 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Armenia is being smart. By not recognizing NK officially but recognizing NK de facto, Armenia can join NATO if Armenia sees Russia as unreliable for security. Having seen Russia sold northern Syria to Turkey for S-400 deal, Armenia has come to the conclusion Russia is unreliable for security. This is why Armenia will join NATO.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:33 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Hold ur breath. Saakashvili lost his job & is now wanted by the authorities in Tbilisi; the same fate may await Pashinyan in Erevan.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2m0Ci0skw

    You mean Aliyev? Georgia invaded South Ossetia. Armenia did not invade Azerbaijan/
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    Post  Armenian on Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:36 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Hold ur breath. Saakashvili lost his job & is now wanted by the authorities in Tbilisi; the same fate may await Pashinyan in Erevan.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2m0Ci0skw

    Compering Saakashvili with Pashinyan? Are you serious?

    In my opinion Pashinyan is even more Pro-Russian than Serj Sargsyan. That stupid misinformation is done exactly by Soros kinda people to drive Armenian and Russians away from each other.

    Hope people coming with that BS is aware of that.

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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:38 pm

    Armenian wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Hold ur breath. Saakashvili lost his job & is now wanted by the authorities in Tbilisi; the same fate may await Pashinyan in Erevan.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2m0Ci0skw

    Compering Saakashvili with Pashinyan? Are you serious?

    In my opinion Pashinyan is even more Pro-Russian than Serj Sargsyan. That stupid misinformation is done exactly by Soros kinda people to drive Armenian and Russians away from each other.

    Hope people coming with that BS is aware of that.


    Azeri propaganda. While it is true Armenia will join NATO for security considering Russia is not reliable for security. Hint. Selling northern Syria to Turkey only for a S-400 deal, why should Armenia not join NATO? Give me a good reason. As for Armenia being hostile to Russia? That is Azeri propaganda. Armenia bough Su-30SM from Russia. Shows Armenia is not hostile to Russia. Action speaks louder than propaganda.
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:59 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    Armenian wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:Hold ur breath. Saakashvili lost his job & is now wanted by the authorities in Tbilisi; the same fate may await Pashinyan in Erevan.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2m0Ci0skw

    Compering Saakashvili with Pashinyan? Are you serious?

    In my opinion Pashinyan is even more Pro-Russian than Serj Sargsyan. That stupid misinformation is done exactly by Soros kinda people to drive Armenian and Russians away from each other.

    Hope people coming with that BS is aware of that.


    Azeri propaganda. While it is true Armenia will join NATO for security considering Russia is not reliable for security. Hint. Selling northern Syria to Turkey only for a S-400 deal, why should Armenia not join NATO? Give me a good reason. As for Armenia being hostile to Russia? That is Azeri propaganda. Armenia bough Su-30SM from Russia. Shows Armenia is not hostile to Russia. Action speaks louder than propaganda.

    You keep going on about that S-400 deal. Which the nationalist Kurds might have been sacrificed for, but not an inch of govt territory (Syria being like Armenia, a Russian ally). And even then the Kurds were given a warning and a way out, to hand over Afrin to the regime instead to prevent a Turkish attack.

    I'll remind you that Turkey's holdings in northern Syria have shrunk significantly since that same S-400 deal. Including an episode where the building where Turkish soldiers were stationed collapsed on them. Maybe a Syrian strike, maybe Russian, but either way they were too close to the Islamists they support there and evidently couldn't be differentiated.
    I do hope Azeri soldiers will keep their distance from the pro-Turkish Syrian terrorists Erdogan has elected to use as cannon-fodder in Karabakh, who knows what might happen.


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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:04 pm

    nomadski wrote:"...... And people also understand that having Turkey, which commited a genocide against Armenians a century ago, now fight Azerbaijan's war for it using flying killer robots and Syrian terrorists is not acceptable either......."

    But you said people don't understand. They are not informed. Only the elite understand. And they shut up about it. Information to them, is like money. They will privitise it. But agree, that there is a cultural problem with the Turks. The Armenians during this war, were able to defeat Azeri forces to get to karabag. But they stopped there. They could have advanced to take more territory. If they wanted territory alone. But they wanted security. Unfortunately, the Azeri territories were in the way. This is very different to Azeri position now. Akin to genocide. Extermination of ALL Armenians from territories. No doubt under tutelage from Turk fascistic culture.
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    There is no contradiction here.
    I meant the people that understand something. Not the layman xenophobe, liberal, ura-patriot or anyone misled by propaganda.

    And that means Russia's political class understands something too.

    But they can't say it, not officially, not unofficially via their own paid intelligencia.
    One can only judge by their actions in the upcoming weeks and whatever reports of assistance to Armenia.

    And then there's the matter of the other side's paid intelligencia.
    In fact one of Russia's main left-wing opposition members, Maxim Shevchenko, very much anti-gov, has been shilling for the Azeris on the NKR issue for the past couple of years.
    Maybe he honestly believes that it's the right approach.
    But whatever, he's full of shit.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:14 pm

    Armenian RPG trashes Azeri T-90 in ambush

    https://www.reddit.com/r/armenia/comments/j4xhsb/armenian_army_hits_azeri_positions_direct_t90_hit/
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:16 pm

    The war is instigated by Turkey and US. They will see Russia will do nothing because of Putin's relation with Erdogan, and then they will say to Armenia see Russia can't be trusted for security. So Armenia and Azerbaijan will join NATO for peace just like Greece and Turkey did.
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    Post  Regular on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:37 pm

    Armenia can't be trusted for security of themselves. It's Azerbaijan, not a Nazi Germany in 39. Azeris have some nice toys, but they are no warriors.

    They are not even sending their best equipment and troops to NK... And no deep strikes with Iskanders. Oh common!!!


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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:38 pm

    Regular wrote:Armenia can't be trusted for security of themselves. It's Azerbaijan, not a Nazi Germany in 39. Azeris have some nice toys, but they are no warriors.

    Toys alone don't win wars. SAA had nice toys and they were totally trashed by determined rebels. KSA and UAE had toys and they were totally trashed by Houthis.

    Also, Armenians are determined because they fight for their very survival considering Erdogan proclaimed all of Armenia as occupied land that rightly belongs to Turkic peoples.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:42 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:The war is instigated by Turkey and US. They will see Russia will do nothing because of Putin's relation with Erdogan, and then they will say to Armenia see Russia can't be trusted for security. So Armenia and Azerbaijan will join NATO for peace just like Greece and Turkey did.

    Such a nice peace btw Greece and Turkey... a real exemple of peace... everyone dreams of such peace.

    Armenia can't be trusted for security of themselves. It's Azerbaijan, not a Nazi Germany in 39. Azeris have some nice toys, but they are no warriors.

    They enjoy turkish propaganda which massively shares their drone footages. But when you look closely you see they achieved nothing and armenians don't really need russian help.
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    Post  Regular on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:43 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    Regular wrote:Armenia can't be trusted for security of themselves. It's Azerbaijan, not a Nazi Germany in 39. Azeris have some nice toys, but they are no warriors.

    Toys alone don't win wars. SAA had nice toys and they were totally trashed by determined rebels. KSA and UAE had toys and they were totally trashed by Houthis.

    Yes. Azeris will bog down and try to keep territory for himself.. until they will do this next time some years later.. and so on. No wonder some Armenians want NATO, but without giving up NK they will not get in.
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    Post  Regular on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:46 pm

    Isos wrote:

    They enjoy turkish propaganda which massively shares their drone footages. But when you look closely you see they achieved nothing and armenians don't really need russian help.

    Yes, drone strikes lost the steam quickly. I think people who are in Armenia either waiting for foreign involvement or they know more than we do. Azeris will get stuck and keep loosijg soldiers and equipment without any gains
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:47 pm

    Obviously the NK is only justification for invading and annexing Armenia proper. Erdogan has repeatedly stated Armenia is land stolen from Turkic peoples. Russia won't do anything when Turkey invades Armenia because of Putin's relation with Erdogan. Therefore Armenia will join NATO for protection from Turkey.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:50 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    Regular wrote:Armenia can't be trusted for security of themselves. It's Azerbaijan, not a Nazi Germany in 39. Azeris have some nice toys, but they are no warriors.

    Toys alone don't win wars. SAA had nice toys and they were totally trashed by determined rebels. KSA and UAE had toys and they were totally trashed by Houthis.

    Yes. Azeris will bog down and try to keep territory for himself.. until they will do this next time some years later.. and so on. No wonder some Armenians want NATO, but without giving up NK they will not get in.

    Armenia never claimed NK nor is NK a disputed territory. Armenia has long suspected Russia of being untrustworthy, and this has been proven true in Serbia where Russia did nothing when NATO attacked Serbia and in Donbas where Russia did nothing when Ukraine attacked Donbas and in Syria where Putin sold northern Syria to Erdogan for a S-400 deal. Armenia can join NATO anytime it wants. Biden is pro Armenia and Biden will win election.


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    Post  Isos on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:50 pm

    Wow. Totally failed azeri attack with tens of soldiers walking next to each other in line on a road in front of Armenians watching them. Mortar hit in the middle of them.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:53 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Obviously the NK is only justification for invading and annexing Armenia proper. Erdogan has repeatedly stated Armenia is land stolen from Turkic peoples. Russia won't do anything when Turkey invades Armenia because of Putin's relation with Erdogan. Therefore Armenia will join NATO for protection from Turkey.

    I guess this is another one of Ultron's / ultimatewarrior's accounts I will have to add to my ignore list...

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:55 pm

    So Armenia and Azerbaijan will join NATO for peace just like Greece and Turkey did.
    Even if they join or become partners, there won't be peace for them- their soldiers, airmen & sailors will become a cannon fodder for future wars, just like those Turks, Poles, Hungarians, Slovaks, Czechs, Romanians, Bulgarians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Ukrainians & Georgians who were sent to Afghanistan &/ Iraq. Turkey is now only nominally in NATO-  she's at odds with France & Greece in/around the Med. Sea; I won't be surprised if/when they come to blows there.


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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Obviously the NK is only justification for invading and annexing Armenia proper. Erdogan has repeatedly stated Armenia is land stolen from Turkic peoples. Russia won't do anything when Turkey invades Armenia because of Putin's relation with Erdogan. Therefore Armenia will join NATO for protection from Turkey.

    I guess this is another one of Ultron's / ultimatewarrior's accounts I will have to add to my ignore list...


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    Post  lyle6 on Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:03 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    Armenia never claimed NK nor is NK a disputed territory. Armenia has long suspected Russia of being untrustworthy, and this has been proven true in Serbia where Russia did nothing when NATO attacked Serbia and in Donbas where Russia did nothing when Ukraine attacked Donbas and in Syria where Putin sold northern Syria to Erdogan for a S-400 deal. Armenia can join NATO anytime it wants. Biden is pro Armenia and Biden will win election.
    Whatever helps you cope bro.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:07 pm

    Putin may think Erdgoan is his buddy now, but when Erdogan annexes Armenia and gives S-400 to Uncle Sam in exchange for Patriot 3 and F-35, he will realize his mistake.
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:08 pm

    https://twitter.com/CeyhunAsirov/status/1312764493869522947?s=20

    It seems our armenian friend's friend is not around. However, Azerbaijani soldiers were quicker than that friend, as they sent this video to an Azerbaijani journalist from recently captured town, Jabrayil.

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    Post  par far on Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:11 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:I see Iran supply Yasser suicide drones and large caliber sniper rifles and Kornet missiles to Armenia later this month. These are used very effectively in Yemen and decimated KSA and UAE ground forces.


    Why would Iran do this? They have good relations with Turkey and decent with Azerbaijan.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen on Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:14 pm

    AbdulhamidtheSecond wrote:https://twitter.com/CeyhunAsirov/status/1312764493869522947?s=20

    It seems our armenian friend's friend is not around. However, Azerbaijani soldiers were quicker than that friend, as they sent this video to an Azerbaijani journalist from recently captured town, Jabrayil.

    Smile

    It's an empty town anyway. Wait till Azeris hit the mountain, quite literally.

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