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    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:19 am

    It is not for Russia to do what the west is doing... what the west is doing is morally wrong and when the west collapses hopefully it will be codefied into international law that such things should be illegal.

    From what I can tell it seems Armenia has been infected by the west... America and HATO and the EU are all powerful and Russia never really helped you when you needed it so it is all Russias fault. Ignoring the fact that when Armenia needed help it was often America and HATO and the EU that were pushing Armenias enemys to attack and damage Armenia, but lets not let facts get in the way of a good moan about Russia.

    If Russia started to do what the US and the west does then why would the rest of the world choose Russia over the west... it would be just more of the same shit.

    Russia could point to the South. Look what happened to the Africans and South-Americans.
    But the people wouldn´t believe it. This time the west will treat us differently!

    The story of the world is written in Hollywood and it is basically an American story. If Ukraine or Georgia or Iraq or Iran or North Korea or Syria or Russia are in it the story is not about them... they are the story set up to punish or capture or in some way damage the hero to establish the hero American as being the good guy.

    It is all about the path of the American hero and it is important for the bit players to realise not only are they expendable, but sometimes to get the story arc they way they have to die for the American people to mobilise behind the American hero and cross political parties for full support.

    If you are Navalny you might get a mention, but odds are that it is more likely he died from a combination of his western vaccinations and his drug and alcohol habits... but he was also a useful distraction at a time when the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East are not going that well.

    The coalition of the meat shield got a lot less bodies than they were hoping... their atrophying navy would probably have liked to step back and let others take the heat on this...

    You can blame voters living in the west, but at the end of the day Armenians are themselves responsible for who they elect and who gets elected, and if there is foul play, well it is Armenias job to sort that shit out too.

    By not standing with their fellow people it is Armenians that have failed, not Russia... you didn't give them a leg to stand on.

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    Post  nomadski Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:34 am

    The best policy to adopt for little statelets in geographical choke points , is adherence to national borders , a regional economic development plan , a geopolitically non-hostile stance , arms limitations . I must add that given the realities on the ground in the world today ,  that such arrangements are difficult and need compromise and cooperation on many levels between sides . If they do come about , it will be temporary . I can say the same about the more prevalent reality , one of ethnic and proxy conflict , economic war etc . These situations are also temporary . One is a high wire act , the other is a Car crash derby . For Iran and Russia , it only matters , if NATO directly or Turkey station naval forces in the Caspian , strong enough to impose a blockade . A highly  unlikely event to occur or be successful . Not an immediate problem , but must be ready to rescue Armenia , once it has drunk enough Euro Kool-aid !


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    Post  mnztr Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:41 pm

    George1 wrote:Crime...

    https://tass.com/world/1682059

    I am surprised they did not cause any trouble after they got screwed by their leader.
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    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:13 pm

    Fact is, unless Russia can create problems for the USA and Western Europe, they are gonna keep sending Ukraines at Russia. Isn't there a NK nationalist group Russia can engage to coup this MOFO?
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    Post  lancelot Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:48 pm

    Why bother? Is there any worth in desperately trying to keep Armenia in Russia's orbit anyway?
    If for whatever reason access of Turkey to the Caspian needs to be cut it is much easier to coordinate an invasion of Azerbaijan with Iran than trying to retain Armenia. This would then solve multiple issues in one full swoop. A direct land link with Iran would be established. Europe's access to Turkmen gas would be cut forever. Europe and Turkey's access to Azeri gas and oil would be cut. Etc. A lot of positives really.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:55 am

    Fact is, unless Russia can create problems for the USA and Western Europe, they are gonna keep sending Ukraines at Russia.

    All the western moves to counter and contain Russia have backfired spectacularly, and we can probably assume they will continue but also shift focus to China which is an economic monster that threatens them even more than Russia ever did... I think their have been lots of attempts by the US to say the Ukraine and Belarus is Europe and the UKs problem and that they want to shift focus to China, well the middle east has now been added to the mix so the US is juggling Europe and the Middle East while it is supposed to be focusing on China and Taiwan... what are the chances they will screw up there too and end up breaking the west and making the rest of the world look to BRICS for real solutions?

    The west is not just making mistakes, they are destroying themselves and becoming desperate... and when they steal Russian property Russia can pounce, because there are so many western threads that still draw money from the Russian economy that could be cut and closed off to help Russia and Russians instead of the richest n the west who will never share with their own let alone the countries and people they make their money from.
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    Post  mnztr Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:53 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Fact is, unless Russia can create problems for the USA and Western Europe, they are gonna keep sending Ukraines at Russia.

    All the western moves to counter and contain Russia have backfired spectacularly, and we can probably assume they will continue but also shift focus to China which is an economic monster that threatens them even more than Russia ever did... I think their have been lots of attempts by the US to say the Ukraine and Belarus is Europe and the UKs problem and that they want to shift focus to China, well the middle east has now been added to the mix so the US is juggling Europe and the Middle East while it is supposed to be focusing on China and Taiwan... what are the chances they will screw up there too and end up breaking the west and making the rest of the world look to BRICS for real solutions?

    The west is not just making mistakes, they are destroying themselves and becoming desperate... and when they steal Russian property Russia can pounce, because there are so many western threads that still draw money from the Russian economy that could be cut and closed off to help Russia and Russians instead of the richest n the west who will never share with their own let alone the countries and people they make their money from.

    They have failed, but its taken a high toll on Russia to counter them. Meanwhile the US stills blissfully across the pond, funding mayhem with printed toilet paper. Americans are unaware, or don't care what their evil govt is doing as they don't pay a price for it. The Euros are starting to pay, and look at them suddenly start to get interested.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:56 pm


    They have failed, but its taken a high toll on Russia to counter them. Meanwhile the US stills blissfully across the pond, funding mayhem with printed toilet paper. Americans are unaware, or don't care what their evil govt is doing as they don't pay a price for it. The Euros are starting to pay, and look at them suddenly start to get interested.

    The toll the Russians are paying is in blood, but the toll the west is going to pay is going to be economic.

    Russia is better off without the west in its current form... the whole world is better off without the west in its current form, which is toxic.

    I can't see the west actually changing any time soon because they don't understand they are broken and are making all sorts of excuses.

    The Russian economy is broken and it is just military production that is making it appear they are OK, when in fact the entire basis of the west is broken, morally and ethically.

    The more the west is unaware the faster they will be running when they get to the cliff... and Russia is not going to save them and nor is China or most other countries of the rest of the world... you made your bed.

    Isn't there a quote of something along the lines of all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

    Well good men in the west have done nothing for 30 years now while the evil amongst the west have used that exact same quote to justify interventions on the side of evil to make things worse while pretending to be the good guys.

    Russia does not need to actively destroy the west, but they don't need to help either. It wont be appreciated.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Sep 27, 2024 8:17 pm

    Pashinyan ready to change Armenian constitution at Azerbaijan's request, by Valeria Gorodetskaya for VZGLYAD. 09.27.2024.

    Yerevan is ready to change its constitution in order to sign a peace agreement with Baku, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said at a meeting of the UN General Assembly in New York.

    The agreement may be concluded before November of this year if all the parties’ requirements are met, Moskovsky Komsomolets reports .

    Azerbaijan insists on changing Armenia's declaration of independence, which contains a controversial reference to the reunification of the Armenian SSR and Nagorno-Karabakh. This has angered Baku, as the Azerbaijani side views it as a threat to the country's territorial integrity. Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev explained: "With this clause in their constitution, this is impossible, because the constitution is above any other document, including an international treaty."

    Pashinyan promised on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly to look into the matter after the peace treaty is signed. According to him, if the Constitutional Court of Armenia decides that the treaty is unconstitutional, the authorities will find themselves in a "situation in which constitutional changes will be necessary to conclude peace."

    Earlier, Azerbaijan refused to sign a shortened peace treaty with Armenia.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/9/27/1289548.html

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    Post  Broski Sat Sep 28, 2024 3:45 am

    Kiko wrote:Pashinyan ready to change Armenian constitution at Azerbaijan's request, by Valeria Gorodetskaya for VZGLYAD. 09.27.2024.
    The sooner Armenia becomes a province of Turkey again, the better. Useless people.

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