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    Post  AttilaA on Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:27 pm

    I can't believe I'm having this discussion.

    The only side that needs to present any "proof" here is Armenians, since they admitted that they had indeed lost some of their positions, which they had denied a day before.

    This is my last post on this.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:40 pm

    Oh jesus, there's an Azeri soldier there in the beggining (OCP) and the rest we see 7 (seven) Armenian soldiers in a fortified trench...where's the 200+ casulaties. Not more not less. And I'm even inclined to give you the OCP guy, 8. Looks like the position was shelled by tank(s).

    It's pretty easy to show the dead count if the Azeris have the positions as they claim.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:45 pm


    I will definitely go with turk involvement as a cause here. Two decades of nothing and then this now of all times? Not fooling me... Sultan is being bled slowly and is creating a distraction.

    This BS might make headlines but I do not think that Russia will have too much headache over this. Small fry is small fry...
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:51 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    I will definitely go with turk involvement as a cause here. Two decades of nothing and then this now of all times? Not fooling me... Sultan is being bled slowly and is creating a distraction.

    This BS might make headlines but I do not think that Russia will have too much headache over this. Small fry is small fry...

    Don't see Erdogan's hand everywhere. The writing was on the wall. Azeris reinforcing brutally, Armenians lagging behind; it's a simple balance of power that basically slowly but surely was tipped by oil money. Now the problem is that Azeris don't seem to have been more effective, if they're going the "bad azeri, good azeri" route with the unilateral cease-fire. The idea is easy. Storm, call for negotiations and fortify your gains whatever they are. The issue however is this. Armenians will pretty much look Russia in the eye and Russia will talk to Azerbaijan in very simplistic terms. My take is that if Azerbaijan for whatever reason wants to keep this pace, they will get a blanket "Turkish Agression" label and they'll be kicked to the curb, like back in the day. It's not "fair", but nothing is fair in life.

    Also it's not small fry. It's a good customer, historical ties in tow with an ethnic balance to keep vs a historical ally since basically the Russians are Russians.

    Also:

    https://twitter.com/bm27_uragan/status/716674512817950721

    looks more than 12...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:01 pm


    ^^^Good observation.

    With recent drop in oil prices Azeris probably figured ''now or never''.

    Also, when I said ''small fry'' I meant influence of this event on Russian geopolitical stance not those countries in question.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:07 pm

    It wasn't meant to be a slight, Papa, just that it's not smallfry. This to Russia is more important than Ukraine, because unlike Ukraine there really are no options without inviting more trouble in the neighbourhood. Iran is concerned (they were hit by mistake by Azerbaijan according to Fars). Turkey, the US (Turkey and everything against Russia). But the timing indeed is really weird. It's like they think Russia is too busy, so they can get away with being cheap shots.

    OK, why not.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:25 pm

    To the question of what hit that Azeri crocodile.

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    Check the fifth canister.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:28 pm

    Azeri advantage exists on paper  - it simply can't be used to the full for strictly geographic reasons. Azeris couldn't be in a more crappy position, having to attack mountainous land from a flat plain.


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    Post  TheGeorgian on Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:30 pm

    Azeri casualties captured by an Armenian UAV. Seems to be the same area from the photos earlier.

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    Post  marat on Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:48 pm

    http://news.am/eng/news/320396.html

    Azerbaijan soliders commited war crimes in Tallish village.

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    Post  AttilaA on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:05 pm

    TheGeorgian wrote:Azeri casualties captured by an Armenian UAV. Seems to be the same area from the photos earlier.

    Very convincing. Does it flash "Azerbaijani soldiers" on them, I can't see it.

    marat wrote:...

    Another cheap propaganda trick. Don't underestimate what Armenians are capable of in the name of propaganda. Add this to the claim 300 Azerbaijani soldiers they have killed, and tens of tanks they have destroyed.


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:10 pm

    As said before. This is going to be the dialogue of deafs we're going to get regarding the NK issue. Let's see how it ends.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:16 pm

    AttilaA wrote:Azerbaijan MoD statement.

    http://mod.gov.az/index2.php?content=news/2016/20160402_melumat_cebheson

    "o cümlədən yüzdən çox hərbi qulluqçusu ölüb və yaralanıb", more than hundred. It talks about both dead and wounded. I don't see "127" anywhere.

    ...


    So you are denying that the infographic at the following link was from the Azeri defense ministry (Azeri ministry of the truth), and you are denying that you have seen it?

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t3305p75-azerbaijan-vs-armenia-nagorno-karabakh-conflict#158265


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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:18 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:It wasn't meant to be a slight, Papa, just that it's not smallfry. This to Russia is more important than Ukraine, because unlike Ukraine there really are no options without inviting more trouble in the neighbourhood. Iran is concerned (they were hit by mistake by Azerbaijan according to Fars). Turkey, the US (Turkey and everything against Russia). But the timing indeed is really weird. It's like they think Russia is too busy, so they can get away with being cheap shots.

    OK, why not.

    Good points there.


    While we here may not know what exactly happened and who did what/where/when/why I am sure that Russia knows all the fine details and is applying generous pressure at responsible party/individuals as we speak.
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    Post  calm on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:45 pm

    Isane, video of that news and pictures from yesterday.

    21+

    ISIS or Azeri Army? Azeri soldier beheaded an Armenian soldier, bagged it to present as trophy to people back home.

    https://twitter.com/Zinvor/status/716737321069096960
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    Post  VladimirSahin on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:46 pm

    Savages....
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:54 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Casualty and loss figures provided by Armenian Defense Ministry.
    According to the reports Azeri special forces lost at least 30 men on the Talish front.

    Azerbaijan has thus far confirmed they lost 1 helicopter, one tank and 12 soldiers

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    The Armenian,

    Thank you for your updates.
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    Post  Guest on Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:03 am

    calm wrote:Isane, video of that news and pictures from yesterday.

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    ISIS or Azeri Army? Azeri soldier beheaded an Armenian soldier, bagged it to present as trophy to people back home.

    https://twitter.com/Zinvor/status/716737321069096960

    Maybe @AttilaA can translate for us what they are saying. If its not too "low" from me to ask.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:05 am

    It seems that the Azeris shot down what looks like an Eleron SV drone...
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    Post  Guest on Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:06 am

    BRDM-2 Spandrel deployed by Armenians

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    Post  Neutrality on Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:08 am

    That video is truly gruesome.
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    Post  Guest on Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:12 am

    Few shots of Armenian forces, notice T72BA and...Lada Niva...

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    Post  mack8 on Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:23 am

    As i do not know enough about the armenian-azerbaijani conflict, don't want to jump to conclusions too early, i thought Azerbaijan is a reliable partner of Russia since it has been bought a lot of top of the line gear, but then when you have back to back news like their leader talking to the americans just last week, flirting with the israelis, their economic is in recession due to low oil prices and above all, Erdogan and his scums appears to be  on Azerbaijan's side, one has to wonder. Having those scums on one's side means one is not the "good" guy, period. There are no coincidence in geopolitics.

    I am not surprised that both the armenian and azerbaijani members here would probably strangle eachother now and everything is left aside in favour of fervent ultranationalism, but if i'm to say anything to both is that they are a bunch of f*** idiots those in the respective countries who did not want to or failed to come to peace in 20 years. And don't say "but it's entirely the other sides fault!", it doesn't work.

    RIP to the dead and hope this calms down and maybe a lasting agreement is finally reached and the bloodshed will be over.
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    Post  calm on Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:31 am

    Neutral

    Tasnim News Agency: Mortar Shells from Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict Hit Northeastern Iran
    http://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2016/04/03/1038741/mortar-shells-from-nagorno-karabakh-conflict-hit-northeastern-iran
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    Post  SturmGuard on Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:43 am

    This war is another case of Bolshevik fallout... Supporting Turkish scum after WW1, letting Turkey in its current scope to form and go unpunished for their historical atrocities, and finally, by some miraculous coincidence as in the case of Russia, to draw completely ahistorical and unethnic "just administrative" borders.
    "Permanent peace" as you put it would require Armenians to accept being reduced to a fraction of their historical homeland, as a result of mass murders perpetrated by their neighbours. Any nation willing to do so is doomed.


    Best of luck to Hayasdan, avenge your killed people and keep resisting.

    I am not interested in diplomacy talk and political correctness, especially not when historical and present facts are as clear as they are now. I don't know about you, but something makes me group all beheaders and mutilators in the same group, the history of ethnic cleansing is somehow always there, too.

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