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    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:13 pm

    zorobabel wrote:Funny move by Azerbaijan. Attack, take some territory, then claim a unilateral ceasefire.

    The Azeries lost that territory and received a relatively massive defeat, and now in the Ukrainian-style they are begging for a ceasefire.
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    Post  AttilaA Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:30 pm

    I don't talk on assertions, unlike you. How come the Armenian side denied those developments yesterday, and are suddenly talking about areas they have lost now? That is a difference of 1 day.

    Where is the evidence for that?

    Is that how your logic works? How did you made that up from the statement? Azerbaijani degence ministry says that they have retaken some areas and are halting the offensive, and if Armenian side make further provocations, then they will be dealt an even bigger blow. And the statement very much says that Azerbaijan has already started to fortify those new gains, thus they are still retained by Azerbaijan.



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    Post  AttilaA Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:38 pm

    Marat, did you visit the link I posted? Azerbaijan admitted the loss of Mi-24 in official statement, only shortly after the reports.

    And Armenians admitted the loss of territory today. Where is the proof about the contrary? So at this point don't talk BS.


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    Post  Guest Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:42 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 7 CfEI1SxW8AAwJ5E

    ...Who knows how accurate that infograph is, ...


    It is known that it is fake.

    Still its worth sharing, for sake of knowing what kind of data is being spitted around.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:45 pm

    zorobabel wrote:Funny move by Azerbaijan. Attack, take some territory, then claim a unilateral ceasefire.

    What is funny about that?
    It makes sense and seems to work.
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    Post  marat Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:46 pm

    AttilaA wrote:Marat, did you visit the link I posted? Azerbaijan admitted the loss of Mi-24 in official statement, only shortly after the reports.

    And Armenians admitted the loss of territory today. Where is the proof about the contrary other than words? So at this point don't talk BS.

    Stop the crap AttilaA Azebaijan denied that there is fighting and that you lost the helicopter, and Armenia denied that they lost the territory. So what?

    Azerbainan have lied more then Armenia this time ( same as all previouse times) and you cannot denie that.

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    Post  Guest Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:47 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Also those Azeri Crocodiles use Belarussian/Ukrainian Skiff/Baryer ATGM...wtf?

    Yep.

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    Post  AttilaA Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:53 pm

    Read the link. It's a statement made shortly after the reports. How do you compare it to a statement made a day later?


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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:54 pm

    AttilaA wrote:Blah, blah, blah, ...

    I know you are pretty desperate to believe in certain Azeri (i.e. fictional) variant of the "events" regarding this conflict, but this is not the kind of forum for you to try to foist your fantasies onto the forum members. We are here to learn the realities and discuss these realities; we are not into believing those type of fictional accounts.

    Just go to the previous page of this thread and look at the Azeri and the Armenian infographics regarding the losses. Then study them an think, and you will see the proof there that the Azeri version is fake, and the Armenian version is pretty much correct.
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    Post  AttilaA Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:00 pm

    Armenians claims that Azerbaijan lost more than 200 soldiers, is that the true version of events?

    Azerbaijani claim of 100 casualties on Armenian side actually appears to be much closer to truth, Armenians have already confirmed 60 casualties and admit that they are actually higher.
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    Post  AttilaA Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:22 pm

    "Restoring the initial positions"? I thought they were already "restored"?

    “The Karabakh army is ready to discuss the offer to cease the fire in the context of restoring the initial positions,” the Defense Army said in a statement."

    http://news.am/eng/news/320346.html
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:28 pm

    AttilaA wrote:Armenians claims that Azerbaijan lost more than 200 soldiers, is that the true version of events?

    It is true—200+ Azeri soldiers were lost.

    AttilaA wrote: Azerbaijani claim of 100 casualties on Armenian side actually appears to be much closer to truth, Armenians have already confirmed 60 casualties and admit that they are actually higher.

    You edited the figure of 127 out. Even you are embarrassed to include that figure, because every one knows that a given side in a conflict can not have the exact number of the other side's losses, especially the Azeries, especially under the present circumstances. That means that somebody with an extremely low IQ has made that number up. I am certain that you noticed that the Armenians gave the estimate of 200+, that's why you censored the embarrassing figure of "127" out and replaced it with "100" to correct the Azeri defense ministry's propaganda flop.

    Also keep in mind that what you are trying to imply regarding the exchange ratios is not valid either. In reality, just like the previous conflicts between Armenians and Azeries, it is not surprising for the exchange ratio to lopsidedly favor the Armenians.

    By the way, if you are wondering, I am not Armenian; I am not Russian either.
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    Post  VladimirSahin Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:43 pm

    Guys, I'm not believing any side until images and videos are provided. Although no disrespect to any Azeris here, From the looks of it I think the Azeri military started this one.
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    Post  franco Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:48 pm

    What he said ^^^^


    First casualty of war is the truth, made harder to find due to the fog of war!
    You can debate who has the biggest one after the smoke settles.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:56 pm

    Same here, it's such a clusterfuck that probably will end badly for Azerbaijan. The worst part of it is that they look happy with this state of affairs.
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    Post  AttilaA Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:03 pm

    Azerbaijan MoD statement.

    http://mod.gov.az/index2.php?content=news/2016/20160402_melumat_cebheson

    "o cümlədən yüzdən çox hərbi qulluqçusu ölüb və yaralanıb", more than hundred. It talks about both dead and wounded. I don't see "127" anywhere.

    Are you seriously saying that Azerbaijan lost more than 200 soldiers?


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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:07 pm

    Frankly I take whatever comes from the Azeri Mod with the whole Kolyma Mines worth of salt. Not saying Armenia is better when it comes to it. But for sure, the whatever comes from Azerbaijan needs to be bomb proofed, by rocket scientists. Bit like Russia/Ukraine but with a bigger grudge.
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    Post  AttilaA Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:14 pm

    Most recent Armenian statement confirms 60 casualties, likely to rise.

    "Casualties update: ~20 dead, 40 injured on NKR side. Likely more, we're told, but fighting complicating count"



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    Post  Guest Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:32 pm

    Azerbaijani SOF:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfH9asRWEAAoMP1.jpg - Disturbing photo

    And part of the equipment taken off the bodies:

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    Post  Guest Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:02 pm

    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 7 CfE9E7QWIAAA6yX

    Armenia seems to be moving 2S3 Akatsiyas also to frontline
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:25 pm

    Militarov wrote:Azerbaijani SOF:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfH9asRWEAAoMP1.jpg - Disturbing photo

    And part of the equipment taken off the bodies:

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    I count 4 bodies and 4 sets of AT. Jesus they got wasted. Aannnd I spot black boots and partizanka still alive. I hope this is only a coincidence.
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    Post  Regular Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:43 pm

    No point counting bodies just yet. Both sides probably have same amount of guys killed. Both sides are at fault here, but since Azerbaijan is pushing and taking territory they are attackers now. If You want to retaliate use artillery and don't invade with ground forces, sheesh
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Apr 03, 2016 6:51 pm

    Regular wrote:No point counting bodies just yet. Both sides probably have same amount of guys killed. Both sides are at fault here, but since Azerbaijan is pushing and taking territory they are attackers now. If You want to retaliate use artillery and don't invade with ground forces, sheesh

    Last I read, They got back two of three checkpoints. One was still held by Azerbaijan.
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    Post  Regular Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:43 pm

    Ok, now Armenians have to kick them out from there and then talk about ceasefire. This whole thing is stupid
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    Post  TheGeorgian Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:53 pm

    I really don't understand the Azeri battle plan. What are they trying to achieve ? from the looks of it so far, they are simply bombarding a position than sending a bunch of guys in certain intervals. But then the Armenians counterattack, retake those positions and gun down the approaching Azeri reinforcement. I bet Armenians suffered casualties only from heavy bombardament. Azeris also seem to lightheartedly waste their special troops on suicidal direct assaults, like they did some months ago.

    Anyway, I just saw on Georgian TV Aliyev threatening that "if Armenian soldiers don't want to die, they should leave Azerbaijani lands at once".


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