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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

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    Post  Mike E Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:32 pm

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    Post  Firebird Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:04 pm

    In response to America causing shit in the Ukraine and the rest of the Russian speaking world, Russia can do lots.

    There's blacks, some of whom wanted/even today WANT separatism. Mexican separatists/ la Raza. There's Texans. There's the Southern League/similar. There's Hawaians, Alaskans, Puerto Ricos who want to be entireuly separate. There's part of the N West USA who've talked about being one state with bits of Canada (some ecologiocal type ideology).

    Then there's Libertarians, homosexuals, Far Righters, religious extremists, Muslim extremists, all sorts of different disparate groups.
    Russia is far more homogeneous in some ways.

    Russia may have oligarchs. But America has oligarchs and a really, really oppressed poor. And its middle class and young skilled people are suffering. Really smart kids come out of good universities, and are by some definitions effectively bankrupt.

    There's so much shit that could be caused in America. Add in the Latino drug gangs and other criminality, together with porous Southern borders and much unemployment due to the drug of illegal immigration that American big business is hooked on.

    Russia might even look at Britain. There's a gigantic mass of immigration, potential Scottish breakaway and a class structure that hasn't changed that much since VIctorian times.

    Yes agitating is expensive. But Pak Das and submarines don't come cheap either...

    PS I knew there was one big group I forgot.. the INJUNS...


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    Post  Mike E Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:49 pm

    Good point... Maybe Russia should give the US some of its own medicine. 

    Even if they don't, the US is going to "fall". This country becomes more and more partisan and politically diverse that it can't last forever.... As you said, some US states want to "separate".

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:52 pm

    Situation in Novorossiya, on 17/08/14

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:58 pm

    Success is what keep USA together. In many ways they are more divided than Yugoslavia.

    Europe well most western countries still are dictatorships and they try to teach democracy to others, so bigoted. The revolution can't be avoided forever their citizens will demand freedom. I am disappointed by Spain but Elizabeth is old I hope for more. The people there deserve a better future away from tyrrans.
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    Post  Mike E Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:00 pm

    Many people are proud of the "West" of killing Tyrants (Gaddafi and Hussein etc) but are blind that their very own leaders are tyrants as well...
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    Post  Firebird Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:07 pm

    RT is reporting dozens of people killed in rocket attacks whilst in a convoy trying to leave Donbass. Saying that women and kids were included in the victims.

    The junta is saying its the Donbass forces and not the hohols (same lies, different day).

    I was wondering what the hell is this all about?

    Maybe the NATO dark forces/Shite Sektor or whoever just want to kill as many civilians as possible/smash up as much of Donbass as possible.

    If thats the case, surely the red line for Russia has been overstepped?
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:17 pm

    Mike E wrote:Many people are proud of the "West" of killing Tyrants (Gaddafi and Hussein etc) but are blind that their very own leaders are tyrants as well...

    Gaddafi and Lybia had far higher living standards than majority of americans have. Free education and very good eduaction, free healthcare which only a minority in US can even afford, housing is subsidized, the own citizens get monthly payments of the oil sales or subsidized gas for an amount of money every month like it is common in Iran. (where in the world else did get citizens any payment from the resources its country is selling?) Nowhere else!


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    Post  Hannibal Barca Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:18 pm

    Mike E wrote:Many people are proud of the "West" of killing Tyrants (Gaddafi and Hussein etc) but are blind that their very own leaders are tyrants as well...

    By definition. I mean only two areas in the world have so many monarchies. Middle East and Western Europe..
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    Post  Mike E Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:20 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Many people are proud of the "West" of killing Tyrants (Gaddafi and Hussein etc) but are blind that their very own leaders are tyrants as well...

    Gaddafi and Lybia had far higher living standards than majority of americans have. Free education and very good eduaction, free healthcare which only a minority in US can even afford, housing is subsidized, the own citizens get monthly payments of the oil sales or subsidized gas for an amount of money every month like it is common in Iran. (where in the world else did get citizens any payment from the resources its country is selling?) Nowhere else!

    I should of put (and meant) "tyrants".
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    Post  Mike E Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:20 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Many people are proud of the "West" of killing Tyrants (Gaddafi and Hussein etc) but are blind that their very own leaders are tyrants as well...

    By definition. I mean only two areas in the world have so many monarchies. Middle East and Western Europe..

    True...
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    Post  arpakola Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:56 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    T055 wrote:
    Mike E wrote:- Yes, I have. Blowing a country to crap doesn't help anyones economic situation, that is for sure. e...

    It does help the West. They eliminate systematically Russian strongholds. They don't care about civilians.

    Anyway, back to Kiev Zombie Army shelling Luhansk. I read that they have taken already one of the police stations and put a UKR flag on it.

    How can you say Russia economy is "Weak" when their GDP under illegal sanctions is ~1% ?


    Russian economy grows 0.8%, avoids technical recession
    http://rt.com/business/179556-russia-economy-grows-second-quarter/


    Do not post graphic photos on this forum. Post a link with a warning or do not post at all. I have been very soft on this for some time. To all people who feel the need to post such material here I do not have unlimited patience and people will start to get breaks from this forum. I don't think I am being unreasonable... I think I have been very clear. NO MORE WARNINGS.
    Finally they desided to save their oligarhs , not Donbass
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    Khodorkovsky's revenge

    this hard working person with  "promissing"  career ..
    During his studies at the institute, Khodorkovsky became a member of the Communist Party and an activist of the Komsomol – the Young Communists’ Union. He soon progressed to become deputy secretary of the institute’s Komsomol cell, and in 1986 he became a member, and then a deputy head, of the Komsomol committee in Moscow’s Frunzensky District.
    The Frunzensky Komsomol Committee was one of the few organizations that were first allowed to undertake business activities with the start of perestroika.  censored  Khodorkovsky was in charge of the committee’s business branch, and later he created and headed an event-management company  Very Happy , the Foundation for Youth Initiative. In 1987, Khodorkovsky, together with his business partner Platon Lebedev, founded the NTTMCenter – officially a sort of business incubator with broad Soviet state support. Two more of Khodorkovsky’s famous partners started to work with him at NTTM – they were Leonid Nevzlin and Vladislav Surkov.

    In late 1987, Khodorkovsky and his partners formed a company they called MENATEP (the Russian abbreviation for inter-branch science and technology programs). Very Happy  (well thats a serius business and science development..), and all sorts of deals with mass consumption goods. In 1988, Khodorkovsky registered one of the first commercial banks in the country, KIB NTP, and floated its shares, successfully attracting funds from the population.
    With this hard working person Khodorkovsky .. Mr. Vladislav Surkov worked as partner and advisor..
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #7 - Page 29 X_3
    and later as close advisor of Putin. has been said that this  (hard working) guy secured Medvedevs nomination for president..
    This same person ,Vladislav Surkov, has been openly accused from Donbass (Gubarev, Strelkov etc) that he works hard for the failure of the Donbass uprising.
    Who can denay that  Dugin's lost post as Head of the Department of Sociology of International Relations of Moscow State University has nothing to do with this guy??

    sory to say again... The Russian ruling class  has not a gram of patriotism and only cares for the SHORT term profits, not being able (as most of them are uneducated ) to see long term, as the US and European ruling class does.
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #7 - Page 29 SurkovPutin

    http://13571113.blogspot.gr/2014/08/the-president-and-avatar-or.html
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    Post  Vann7 Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:29 am

    Apparently Ukie army fired 3x Toscka-U ballistic missiles to near the border and Russia air defenses neutralized
    them before they impact the ground.

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #7 - Page 29 Ac0716c4f9fbb1b545d202b490d26364


    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3833-ukrainskie-ballisticheskie-rakety-byli-sbity-rossiyskoy-sistemoy-pro.html&usg=ALkJrhiwUKVkaY_hPLMnXxQ6iqDN9CchlA
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    Post  arpakola Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:33 am

    Vann7 wrote:Apparently Ukie army fired 3x Toscka-U ballistic missiles to near the border and Russia air defenses neutralized
    them before they impact the ground.

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #7 - Page 29 Ac0716c4f9fbb1b545d202b490d26364


    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3833-ukrainskie-ballisticheskie-rakety-byli-sbity-rossiyskoy-sistemoy-pro.html&usg=ALkJrhiwUKVkaY_hPLMnXxQ6iqDN9CchlA

    good real life test for russian antimissile systems.. s300 MP ..say
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    Post  Vann7 Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:58 am


    This video appears to be from a briefing by ukie army from the southern cauldron ,what happened 2-4 days ago.
    They managed to escape ..

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    Post  arpakola Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:07 am

    Ukies under fire


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    Post  Vann7 Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:37 am

    Im reading on the comments on Colonel site.. that apparently Strelkov was removed from his position
    because Russia and or Putin do not like him or do not trust in him.. Any one knows if there is any truth
    about this? That Streelkov is not liked by Russia?  and or Putin?  and the weird reason of removing him from his position?


    Also in colonel site.. he was replying to someone, and he told that there is very powerful people
    in Russia that wants to see it destroyed and the Novorrosiya also destroyed.. Anyone knows who
    could be he meaning? because all the major political parties supported the take over of Crimea and
    support novorrosiya. which Power enemies Russia have inside Russia? and what could they gain destroying
    Russia?  Neutral 
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    Post  arpakola Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:14 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Im reading on the comments on Colonel site.. that apparently Strelkov was removed from his position
    because Russia and or Putin do not like him or do not trust in him.. Any one knows if there is any truth
    about this? That Streelkov is not liked by Russia?  and or Putin?  and the weird reason of removing him from his position?


    Also in colonel site.. he was replying to someone, and he told that there is very powerful people
    in Russia that wants to see it destroyed and the Novorrosiya also destroyed.. Anyone knows who
    could be he meaning? because all the major political parties supported the take over of Crimea and
    support novorrosiya. which Power enemies Russia have inside Russia? and what could they gain destroying
    Russia?  Neutral 

    read my post on ,Vladislav Surkov and his company..

    Him and his oligarh friends prefer 100 times Yiaros and Porosenko , rather then to deal with Sterlkov and Gubarev..
    http://13571113.blogspot.gr/2014/06/gumbarev.html

    Putin seems that does note realises that is enough one week with wrong desisions to rub out everything he has done so far.. the last 15 years
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    Metaphysical Doubts Concerning the Existence of Modern Ukraine, a 1918 Creation of the German General Staff
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    Post  Vann7 Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:43 pm

    arpakola wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Im reading on the comments on Colonel site.. that apparently Strelkov was removed from his position
    because Russia and or Putin do not like him or do not trust in him.. Any one knows if there is any truth
    about this? That Streelkov is not liked by Russia?  and or Putin?  and the weird reason of removing him from his position?


    Also in colonel site.. he was replying to someone, and he told that there is very powerful people
    in Russia that wants to see it destroyed and the Novorrosiya also destroyed.. Anyone knows who
    could be he meaning? because all the major political parties supported the take over of Crimea and
    support novorrosiya. which Power enemies Russia have inside Russia? and what could they gain destroying
    Russia?  Neutral 

    read my post on ,Vladislav Surkov and his company..

    Him and his oligarh friends prefer 100 times Yiaros and Porosenko , rather then to deal with Sterlkov and Gubarev..
    http://13571113.blogspot.gr/2014/06/gumbarev.html


    But that guy Surkov he wants to see Russia destroyed? Colonel cassad told there are powerful people in Russia that wants to see Russia destroyed..  I cannot imagine a real Russian wanting to see their nation destroyed.

    according to wiki.. he is also under sanctions by the west.. for Crimea.. So apparently his position welcomes The Crimea takeover for being under sanctions.
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    Post  arpakola Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:18 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    arpakola wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Im reading on the comments on Colonel site.. that apparently Strelkov was removed from his position
    because Russia and or Putin do not like him or do not trust in him.. Any one knows if there is any truth
    about this? That Streelkov is not liked by Russia?  and or Putin?  and the weird reason of removing him from his position?


    Also in colonel site.. he was replying to someone, and he told that there is very powerful people
    in Russia that wants to see it destroyed and the Novorrosiya also destroyed.. Anyone knows who
    could be he meaning? because all the major political parties supported the take over of Crimea and
    support novorrosiya. which Power enemies Russia have inside Russia? and what could they gain destroying
    Russia?  Neutral 

    read my post on ,Vladislav Surkov and his company..

    Him and his oligarh friends prefer 100 times Yiaros and Porosenko , rather then to deal with Sterlkov and Gubarev..
    http://13571113.blogspot.gr/2014/06/gumbarev.html


    But that guy Surkov he wants to see Russia destroyed? Colonel cassad told there are powerful people in Russia that wants to see Russia destroyed..  I cannot imagine a real Russian wanting to see their nation destroyed.

    according to wiki.. he is also under sanctions by the west.. for Crimea.. So apparently his position welcomes The Crimea takeover for being under sanctions.

    Its hard talking refering to Surkov I guess, he means that those Oligarhs place their business interests above all
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:55 pm

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/745647

    Maybe Chubais is whom we are talking about? Sounds like the guy is pissed regarding the sanctions.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:56 pm

    One thing we DEMAND from Vlad. To win in Ukraine. To win Ukraine to be more precise. If this means negotiations and economic treaties and huge investments like they should have done back in November 2013 if Ukies where not the morons they are or if this means Ka-52s or Topol-Ms makes little difference. Just don't lose. And I think he is right on track.
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:00 pm

    Wait for the winter and hot headed will cool down very quick. The West will still spewing propaganda that Russia is letting people freeze to death and all that bullcrap they are spewing but all common people countries that were hit back by russian sanctions they understand that this is not Russias fault but the stupid sanction game the West has started.

    Let them freeze lets see how fast the hands will grap for Parasha-enkos throat.


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    Quite nice equipment rebels now have more.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:29 pm

    It seems that Porosenko mercenaries got complete and utter defeat on all fronts

    DNR: The militia captured the 30th Brigade the National Guard of Ukraine

    one brigade after another is being destroyed


    nuff said

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    Militias destroyed in the Luhansk region at least 6 Ukrainian tanks
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    Post  arpakola Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:05 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:One thing we DEMAND from Vlad. To win in Ukraine. To win Ukraine to be more precise. If this means negotiations and economic treaties and huge investments like they should have done back in November 2013 if Ukies where not the morons they are or if this means Ka-52s or Topol-Ms makes little difference. Just don't lose. And I think he is right on track.

    ok ok .. to win the 40% of it , I may say

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