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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:16 pm

    Regular wrote:Big damage done to the fuselage. It seems like it was BUK. To use SU-25 would be illogical.
    Anyways, it's not clear who did it, both sides do damage control and blame eachoter. I don't care if it's Separatist fault or Ukrainian army to be honest you can't bing back the dead. Well technically they are going back in the train, but you know why I mean. . RIP

    No fly zone was basically 300 meters bellow, no proper communication, flying over conflict zone. I blame dispatchers and airlines. I hope they will go tits up and bankrupt  for safety of their passengers


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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:23 pm

    Russia federation military .. release their Radars information of the flight path of the malasyan plane..



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    Post  NickM Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:25 pm

    Regular wrote:Hahahahahha Very Happy almost spilled my gray goose:D how in the hell you can dodge missile coming bellow You with an airliner ?

    British Airways planes were fired upon during the Serbian conflict . The BA pilots had to do a couple of hard turns and they survived .

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    As a matter of fact there are many american ashamed of living there.. and have quit their citizenship ..

    Record number of Americans give up citizenship
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101406922#.

    They are leaving the US cuz they know they have done a crime & now they will have to serve time . Something that can't be said about third world shitholes that those BRICS are .

    You seem to have gone full retard . I suspect you are a member of the Black Panther or any of those anti White groups ? These are the scumbags who are filling up the streets of UK and US on a regular basis .
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:29 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    I just laughed myself to dead.....

    A false flag attack???
    Are you kidding me?
    Is this to hide that your government plays a big role in the shooting down?


    Hide what?
    Russia is not at war with anyone ..even less Malasya.. Just give me a single reason why would
    Russia shoot a civilians Plane? Something that does sound credible and not incredibly stupid ?

    Russia have NOTHING to win moron ,shooting down a civilian plane from a friendly nation , Russia
    even have avoided any Fight with Ukraine even when its border have been bombed.. The Rebels neither are at war with Malasya. They are only defending their cities from Ukraine airforce bombing. Ukraine in the other hand have everything to win , They route a civilian airline towards a warzone.. This is a FACT. And they are 100% responsible ,their air traffic controllers to find safe routes for civilians planes. thats their job. Is dangerous to fly civilian planes over war zones ,anyone one with a degree of intelligence will know that. This is a regardless if they have manpads or not.. So many things can go wrong in that space.. Military jets can collide with the civilian plane ,GPS jammers can cause interference with the Civilians Planes instruments.. electronic attacks that blind radars.. etc.  

     Kiev killed the 300 passangers . as simple as that..  so that later cheerleaders like you could come praising NATO and their supported Nazis war in eastern Ukraine. Kiev simply used the plane to frame the rebels ,. to gain political world support in their criminal war. And all the real evidence , Not fake videos with masked men, strongly point that Kiev shut down the plane.


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    Post  Regular Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:36 pm

    NickM wrote:
    Regular wrote:Hahahahahha Very Happy almost spilled my gray goose:D how in the hell you can dodge missile coming bellow You with an airliner ?

    British Airways planes were fired upon during the Serbian conflict . The BA pilots had to do a couple of hard turns and they survived .

    Vann7 wrote:
    As a matter of fact there are many american ashamed of living there.. and have quit their citizenship ..

    Record number of Americans give up citizenship
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101406922#.

    They are leaving the US cuz they know they have done a crime & now they will have to serve time . Something that can't be said about third world shitholes that those BRICS are .

    You seem to have gone full retard . I suspect you are a member of the Black Panther or any of those anti White groups ? These are the scumbags who are filling up the streets of UK and US on a regular basis .
    Hard turns against missile flying bellow your visual contact and at 2.6 mach plus the one that has proximity fuse and 70kg warhead with shrapnel/rods/whatever? How you supposed to know it's flying towards you?
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    Post  fragmachine Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:58 pm

    Laught my ass off that 'Black Panther scumbag' thing tho bro... Let you guess who went full retard  Laughing 

    He doesn't seem to opose KKKiling of innocent civilians by some lowlife jewry in Gaza, or other so called 'shithole' countries - then be ware - you never know when your dinner will cut your head off!

    Meritum - As far as it is bit overweighted 'anglo-sax' killing, raping et cetera - everything is OK!

    But back to the reality, time is on our side. Still waiting for explanation from pathetic govs of UA and US for questions given by Russia.

    And, yeah -  B.R.I.C.S love broos !!
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:14 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    I just laughed myself to dead.....

    A false flag attack???
    Are you kidding me?
    Is this to hide that your government plays a big role in the shooting down?


    Hide what?
    Russia is not at war with anyone ..even less Malasya.. Just give me a single reason why would
    Russia shoot a civilians Plane? Something that does sound credible and not incredibly stupid ?

    Russia have NOTHING to win moron ,shooting down a civilian plane from a friendly nation , Russia
    even have avoided any Fight with Ukraine even when its border have been bombed.. The Rebels neither are at war with Malasya. They are only defending their cities from Ukraine airforce bombing. Ukraine in the other hand have everything to win , They route a civilian airline towards a warzone.. This is a FACT. And they are 100% responsible ,their air traffic controllers to find safe routes for civilians planes. thats their job. Is dangerous to fly civilian planes over war zones ,anyone one with a degree of intelligence will know that. This is a regardless if they have manpads or not.. So many things can go wrong in that space.. Military jets can collide with the civilian plane ,GPS jammers can cause interference with the Civilians Planes instruments.. electronic attacks that blind radars.. etc.  

     Kiev killed the 300 passangers . as simple as that..  so that later cheerleaders like you could come praising NATO and their supported Nazis war in eastern Ukraine. Kiev simply used the plane to frame the rebels ,. to gain political world support in their criminal war. And all the real evidence , Not fake videos with masked men, strongly point that Kiev shut down the plane.

    I didn't say Russia shot it down i said they played a big role in it, AS THEY ARE THE ONES THAT GIVE THOSE DAMN SAM SYSTEMS.

    And i agree with you about the air-traffic controller story.

    And the separatists are not defending 'their' cities, it is an ukrainian city....
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:22 pm

    And the seps are Ukrainian.

    Also, still no evidence that buks were Russian. Especially when it was mentioned buks were captured by seps from Ukr side. Add to that, Russia now just one uped the west with sat photos of Ukr buks in versinity and possible movement of Ukr aircrafts. Like I said, baited the seps as why else fly close to it with a cas.
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:46 pm

    sepheronx wrote:And the seps are Ukrainian.

    Also, still no evidence that buks were Russian. Especially when it was mentioned buks were captured by seps from Ukr side. Add to that, Russia now just one uped the west with sat photos of Ukr buks in versinity and possible movement of Ukr aircrafts. Like I said, baited the seps as why else fly close to it with a cas.

    Kiev was caught in a lie.. they told they have no Buks defenses in the zone.. and Russia released satellite information contradict that . Kiev also told they have no military planes active that day.. so their air force took
    a break that day?  Rolling Eyes  Russia nice radar videos if genuine ,shows Kiev SU-25 flying in a commercial exclusive zone ,that they are not supposed to enter and close to the Malasyan plane minutes before it disappear from map.

    What really is confusing for me.. is how badly done is the whole thing. Kiev should had know Russian Radars could detect their military planes actions . I do not think the plane was shut down by BUK.. the wing damage ,if photos are correct ,looks more like regular gun fire from a military plane at the same altitude of the civilian airline.

    It will be interesting to see how BUK destroy intercepted planes.. if they only break something enough to shutdown the plane ,but the plane continue to fly while decending or if they totally destroyed in the air after being hit. The video of how the malasyan plane crash shows the civilian plane flying in fire ,for sometime.
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    Post  TheArmenian Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:10 am

    Everybody is blaming the opponents BUK for shooting down the aircraft.
    Yet no one has proof that it was a BUK.

    Surprisingly, no one is talking about the possibility that it could be and internal explosion (such as a bomb on board the plane).
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    Post  Zivo Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:38 am

    TheArmenian wrote:Everybody is blaming the opponents BUK for shooting down the aircraft.
    Yet no one has proof that it was a BUK.

    Surprisingly, no one is talking about the possibility that it could be and internal explosion (such as a bomb on board the plane).

    There's talk based on a few photos of wreckage that the damage looks like it was caused by a large warhead, moving away from the AA missile hypothesis.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:46 am

    Zivo wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Everybody is blaming the opponents BUK for shooting down the aircraft.
    Yet no one has proof that it was a BUK.

    Surprisingly, no one is talking about the possibility that it could be and internal explosion (such as a bomb on board the plane).

    There's talk based on a few photos of wreckage that the damage looks like it was caused by a large warhead, moving away from the AA missile hypothesis.

    Who is exactly? Because planes have blown up before due to gas tank explosions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800

    And in that TWA flight 800 wiki, they even stated that US had evidence that a large missile hit the plane. Then it turned out that the US authorities were wrong.
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    Post  Zivo Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:12 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Zivo wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Everybody is blaming the opponents BUK for shooting down the aircraft.
    Yet no one has proof that it was a BUK.

    Surprisingly, no one is talking about the possibility that it could be and internal explosion (such as a bomb on board the plane).

    There's talk based on a few photos of wreckage that the damage looks like it was caused by a large warhead, moving away from the AA missile hypothesis.

    Who is exactly?  Because planes have blown up before due to gas tank explosions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800

    And in that TWA flight 800 wiki, they even stated that US had evidence that a large missile hit the plane.  Then it turned out that the US authorities were wrong.

    It's only unofficial speculation, just like 90% of all discussion right now. The holes in the second image look to me like they were caused by shrapnel entering into the aircraft.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:29 am

    Pepe Escobar does it again!!!

    It was Putin's missile!
    By Pepe Escobar

    And here's the spin war verdict: the current Malaysia Airlines tragedy - the second in four months - is "terrorism" perpetrated by "pro-Russian separatists", armed by Russia, and Vladimir Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up.

    Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary "We came, we saw, he died" Clinton said so. Because batshit crazy Samantha "R2P" Power said so - thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post. [1]

    Because Anglo-American corporate media - from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) - said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place.

    Right off the bat they were all lined up - the invariably hysterical reams of "experts" of the "US intelligence community" literally foaming at their palatial mouths at "evil" Russia and "evil" Putin; intel "experts" who could not identify a convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the Iraqi desert to take Mosul. And yet they have already sentenced they don't need to look any further, instantly solving the MH17 riddle.

    It doesn't matter that President Putin has stressed the MH17 tragedy must be investigated objectively. And "objectively" certainly does not mean that fictional "international community" notion construed by Washington - the usual congregation of pliable vassals/patsies.

    And what about Carlos?

    A simple search at reveals that MH17 was in fact diverted 200 kilometers north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysia Airlines in the previous days - and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why? What sort of communication MH17 received from Kiev air control tower?

    Kiev has been mute about it. Yet the answer would be simple, had Kiev released the Air Traffic Control recording of the tower talking to flight MH17; Malaysia did it after flight MH370 disappeared forever.

    It won't happen; SBU security confiscated it. So much for getting an undoctored explanation on why MH17 was off its path, and what the pilots saw and said before the explosion.

    The Russian Defense Ministry, for its part, has confirmed that a Kiev-controlled Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational near the MH17's crash. Kiev has deployed several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers; these are all perfectly capable of bringing down jets flying at 33,000 ft.

    Radiation from a battery's Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla (a village some 30km south of Donetsk) was detected by the Russian military. According to the ministry, the radar could be providing tracking information to another battery which was at a firing distance from MH17's flight path. The tracking radar range on the Buk system is a maximum of 50 miles. MH17 was flying at 500 mph. So assuming the "rebels" had an operational Buk and did it, they would have had not more than five minutes to scan all the skies above, all possible altitudes, and then lock on. By then they would have known that a cargo plane could not possibly be flying that high. For evidence supporting the possibility of a false flag, check here.

    And then there's the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev's tower, who was following MH17 in real time. For some Carlos is legit - not a cipher; for others, he's never even worked in Ukraine. Anyway he tweeted like mad. His account - not accidentally - has been shut down, and he has disappeared; his friends are now desperately looking for him. I managed to read all his tweets in Spanish when the account was still online - and now copies and an English translation are available.

    These are some of his crucial tweets:

    "The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48 pm)"
    "If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)"
    "As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)"
    "Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don't believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)"
    "The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn't. (7.15)"
    "The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)"

    Carlos's assessment (a partial compilation of his tweets is collected here http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/ ): the missile was fired by the Ukraine military under orders of the Ministry of Interior - NOT the Ministry of Defense. Security matters at the Ministry of the Interior happen to be under Andriy Parubiy, who was closely working alongside US neo-cons and Banderastan neo-nazis on Maidan.

    Assuming Carlos is legit, the assessment makes sense. The Ukrainian military are divided between Chocolate king President Petro Poroshenko - who would like a d?tente with Russia essentially to advance his shady business interests - and Saint Yulia Timoshenko, who's on the record advocating genocide of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine. US neo-cons and US "military advisers" on the ground are proverbially hedging their bets, supporting both the Poroshenko and Timoshenko factions.

    So who profits?
    The key question remains, of course, cui bono? Only the terminally brain dead believe shooting a passenger jet benefits the federalists in Eastern Ukraine, not to mention the Kremlin.

    As for Kiev, they'd have the means, the motive and the window of opportunity to pull it off - especially after Kiev's militias have been effectively routed, and were in retreat, in the Donbass; and this after Kiev remained dead set on attacking and bombing the population of Eastern Ukraine even from above. No wonder the federalists had to defend themselves.

    And then there's the suspicious timing. The MH17 tragedy happened two days after the BRICS announced an antidote to the IMF and the World Bank, bypassing the US dollar. And just as Israel "cautiously" advances its new invasion/slow motion ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Malaysia, by the way, is the seat of the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission, which has found Israel guilty of crimes against humanity.

    Washington, of course, does profit. What the Empire of Chaos gets in this case is a ceasefire (so the disorganized, battered Kiev militias may be resupplied); the branding of Eastern Ukrainians as de facto "terrorists" (as Kiev, Dick Cheney-style, always wanted); and unlimited mud thrown over Russia and Putin in particular until Kingdom Come. Not bad for a few minutes' work. As for NATO, that's Christmas in July.

    From now on, it all depends on Russian intelligence. They have been surveying/tracking everything that happens in Ukraine 24/7. In the next 72 hours, after poring over a lot of tracking data, using telemetry, radar and satellite tracking, they will know which type of missile was launched, where from, and even produce communications from the battery that launched it. And they will have access to forensic evidence.

    Unlike Washington - who already knows everything, with no evidence whatsoever (remember 9/11?) - Moscow will take its time to know the basic journalistic facts of what, where, and who, and engage on proving the truth and/or disproving Washington's spin.

    The historical record shows Washington simply won't release data if it points to a missile coming from its Kiev vassals. The data may even point to a bomb planted on MH17, or mechanical failure - although that's unlikely. If this was a terrible mistake by the Novorossiya rebels, Moscow will have to reluctantly admit it. If Kiev did it, the revelation will be instantaneous. Anyway we already know the hysterical Western response, no matter what; Russia is to blame.

    Putin is more than correct when he stressed this tragedy would not have happened if Poroshenko had agreed to extend a cease-fire, as Merkel, Hollande and Putin tried to convince him in late June. At a minimum, Kiev is already guilty because they are responsible for safe passage of flights in the airspace they - theoretically - control.

    But all that is already forgotten in the fog of war, tragedy and hype. As for Washington's hysterical claims of credibility, I leave you with just one number: Iran Air 655.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-190714.html
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    Post  Regular Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:10 am

    Strelkov said that they shot down An-26 same day when MH17 fell. Any more info about that Antushka?
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    Post  Zivo Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:18 am

    Regular wrote:Strelkov said that they shot down An-26 same day when MH17 fell. Any more info about that Antushka?

    I don't think Strelkov actually said that, but some separatist online press reported it and it was removed after the info broke about MH-17.

    It seems damning, but think about it for a second. It's not like the SAM crews are directly reporting their kills online. If someone saw a plane crashing, they would assume it was a shoot-down of a Ukrainian aircraft and report it as such. After all, a AN-26 was brought down the day before.

    Every time ISIS saw a smoke trail or afterburner from a MiG's exhaust in Syria, they also claim it as a shoot-down.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:01 am

    There is a story that MalAir is moving the route used by MH17 to go through Syria; so do the puppeteers want to use MalAir again to frame the Syrian government in a new false-flag exercise?


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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:15 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:There is a story that MalAir is moving the route used by MH17 to go through Syria; so do the puppeteers want to use MalAir again to frame the Syrian government in a new false-flag exercise.

    Wont happen because it would then start to raise real questions even in western countries. While right now, they just aimlessly blame Russia.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:23 am

    Cut all speculations now. Let's wait for disclosure of black box reading.

    The rebels handed the black box and flight recorders.

    http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-ukraine-rebels-hand-black-boxes-downed-

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:31 am

    If there was any damning evidence, I doubt they would hand it over so carefully, and Putin would not be so insistent for US to show their sat imagery as well as handing it over to international community to investigate.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:54 am

    I posted this in the science development thread:
    MSFT/IBM Boomerang'd As Russia Retaliates, Prepares To Cease Imports Of US IT
    With the German economy already suffering (and AMD cutting its outlook), it appears Putin's promise to ensure Obama's action will see retaliation are starting to weigh as much on the rest of the world as Western media suggest US sanctions are weighing on Russia. This time, after blocking foreign cars and Intel/AMD chips, Bloomberg reports the State Duma, Russia’s lower house of parliament, is drafting a bill to require government agencies and state-run enterprises to give preference to local providers of software and hardware. For some context, IBM, Microsoft, HP, Cisco, Oracle, and Germany’s SAP SE had combined revenue of 285 billion rubles ($8.1 billion) from Russia (with 77% coming from government and SOEs). “This all has to do with sanctions,” warned one Russian politician.

    That means serious money is more than likely to be poured into MCST and Baikal electronics for development of Russia's hardware IT sector. Software could be MCST due to the Elbrus OS.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:35 am

    sepheronx wrote:I posted this in the science development thread:
    MSFT/IBM Boomerang'd As Russia Retaliates, Prepares To Cease Imports Of US IT
    With the German economy already suffering (and AMD cutting its outlook), it appears Putin's promise to ensure Obama's action will see retaliation are starting to weigh as much on the rest of the world as Western media suggest US sanctions are weighing on Russia. This time, after blocking foreign cars and Intel/AMD chips, Bloomberg reports the State Duma, Russia’s lower house of parliament, is drafting a bill to require government agencies and state-run enterprises to give preference to local providers of software and hardware. For some context, IBM, Microsoft, HP, Cisco, Oracle, and Germany’s SAP SE had combined revenue of 285 billion rubles ($8.1 billion) from Russia (with 77% coming from government and SOEs). “This all has to do with sanctions,” warned one Russian politician.

    That means serious money is more than likely to be poured into MCST and Baikal electronics for development of Russia's hardware IT sector.  Software could be MCST due to the Elbrus OS.

    It's also weakening and discrediting the influence of the oligarchs, all those sacrifices the common Soviet/Russian citizen made (to neo-liberalize the economy and have good standing with the West) all for it to amount to nothing, as it's clear that officially the Cold War has restarting again, and it never really ended, it just went in to hibernation.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:47 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I posted this in the science development thread:
    MSFT/IBM Boomerang'd As Russia Retaliates, Prepares To Cease Imports Of US IT
    With the German economy already suffering (and AMD cutting its outlook), it appears Putin's promise to ensure Obama's action will see retaliation are starting to weigh as much on the rest of the world as Western media suggest US sanctions are weighing on Russia. This time, after blocking foreign cars and Intel/AMD chips, Bloomberg reports the State Duma, Russia’s lower house of parliament, is drafting a bill to require government agencies and state-run enterprises to give preference to local providers of software and hardware. For some context, IBM, Microsoft, HP, Cisco, Oracle, and Germany’s SAP SE had combined revenue of 285 billion rubles ($8.1 billion) from Russia (with 77% coming from government and SOEs). “This all has to do with sanctions,” warned one Russian politician.

    That means serious money is more than likely to be poured into MCST and Baikal electronics for development of Russia's hardware IT sector.  Software could be MCST due to the Elbrus OS.

    It's also weakening and discrediting the influence of the oligarchs, all those sacrifices the common Soviet/Russian citizen made (to neo-liberalize the economy and have good standing with the West) all for it to amount to nothing, as it's clear that officially the Cold War has restarting again, and it never really ended, it just went in to hibernation.

    that is what I was thinking too. My father has been telling me this for years, as after the cold war, the dew lines were not really closed, but laid off workers, and it is a relic of the cold war still running. Maybe he can get a job again working for them as he was a lead tech (wish I had the knowledge he does, so I could get a job like that making big bucks).

    Anyway, this all spells big news for Russian tech industries. It is well known that Russians are very good at IT software development, as they are big time winners in international exhibitions as well as many employees for Google, Intel and Microsoft has come from Russia. Only thing this means is that there will now be money and concentration on internal development, and if they do not take it under as state control, the companies will end up flourishing as they will seek other markets like China and India. Which would be also good, as India is huge in IT software development, and getting them onboard in developing a Russia and Indian OS will just speed up things.

    With the MRAM plant opening in Moscow (that 300mm wafer plant I mentioned in the science thread), and Elbrus 8C being tested already and Baikal with Rostec and Rusnano funding development of an 8 core ARM 64bit Cortex processor, chances are, all development will be done internally or with close partners like China. Add in the fact that Russian companies have been trying to get into the domestic market for developing phones, tablets, etc. This will just boost sales. Localizing development of the hardware, which is the processor at least and the memory, Russia can obtain the upper hand. Only major thing missing will be the GPU side of things, and this is where China can come in handy.

    If Russia can keep internal competition between Baikal and MCST (maybe even privatizing MCST in the process), the Russian semiconductor industries will flourish. Get China, India and Brazil involved in developing 3rd party components and software that is optimized under these architectures, and you will see a massive jump. Only issue now is that China is interested in their lineup of processors. Good thing though, is that Russian is RISC and CSIC (ARM/SPARC and Elbrus E2K) vs China's which is simply ARM and SPARC (both RISC). So China may be interested in the CISC side of things from Russia. RISC though is making a big comeback due to raw performance.

    Anyway, I am digressing (getting excited). This will only further increase Russia's IT industry. Hopefully they learned from past mistakes (USSR) and allow private companies in IT flourish and buy from them, rather than taking control of the company and doing it themselves (where stagnation in the company eventually happens).
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:08 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:Cut all speculations now. Let's wait for disclosure of black box reading.

    The rebels handed the black box and flight recorders.

    http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-ukraine-rebels-hand-black-boxes-downed-


    Further:

    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741716

    Tried searching for a credible Malaysian news site, but all I get is western news (CBC, BBC, CNN, FOX) all talking about evil putin. Google is no good. All other ones are english based Malaysian news, and we all know how honest those are.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:23 am

    Vann7 wrote:It is possible that Malasya is part of the crime.
    sepheronx wrote:Edit: No, Malaysia would not be involved in this at all.  The re-routing can be done by the ACO in Kiev.  I remember reading when the day the plane went down, there was communication ongoing between the ACO and the Pilots of the aircraft.  Guess the ACO re-routed them to that destination.  In that case, Ukraine gov should be held accountable.

    I didn't say "Malaysia"; I said "MalAir".

    My earlier post consisted of a proof for the MH17 affair being a false-flag/human-shield exercise; my post did not constitute an attribution of guilt, even though it incorporates a partial attribution of guilt.

    With respect to who the guilty parties are, I have written an earlier post; MalAir and/or the pilots are third tier guilty parties for following orders to go into the war zone.

    The fact that the “Nazi stooges” and their “puppeteers” constitute the second and the first tier of the guilty parties, respectively, does not mean that the MalAir and the pilots aren’t guilty.

    Vann7 wrote:... but i do not see what can they gain from that?

    Nothing necessarily, they were primarily following orders.

    sepheronx wrote:
    Wont happen because it would then start to raise real questions even in western countries.

    Didn't 911 raise questions in "western countries"? People don't have much of a memory, and their views are of zero value in the "western countries".

    By the way, you know that most Chinese are of the opinion that foul play was responsible also for the MalAir MH370, but MH370 didn't stop MH17 from happening.


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