The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

http://www.sott.net/article/281891-Eyewitness-account-of-Ukrainian-atrocities-in-Slavyansk-Three-year-old-boy-nailed-to-an-announcement-board

arpakola wrote:http://www.sott.net/article/281891-Eyewitness-account-of-Ukrainian-atrocities-in-Slavyansk-Three-year-old-boy-nailed-to-an-announcement-board

Ukr nazis are back. Remember Volyn massacre. I want to spit at any "real polE" who supports those Ukr faggots. I don't want no mercy for RS.

Donbass people! Kill all of the facists scum, hang Svoboda and other faggots in the daylight in Kiev at the lightpoles as it was - a reversed - Hungary revolution!

TheArmenian wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:The anti-Kiev forces are rapidly growing in strength. New weapons have recently appeared in their hands in ever increasing quantities. If they can get a large number of volunteers to quickly join their ranks, they should be able to hold off the expected Ukrainian assault on Donetsk and Lugansk. After a few weeks of failed UKrainian attempts, Poroshenko will have to come to the table and the conflict will most likely turn into a frozen one like Transdniestria and Karabagh. That is a possible outcome of this tragic situation.

Anyways,
I made a list of the heavy weapons and vehicles in possession of the rebels. I gathered the information from photos and video clips posted in various places.

- There are at least 4 NONA self-propelled mortar artillery: 2 with Strelkov's Slavyansk forces that were brought to Donetsk and 2 more with the Vostok    battalion in Donetsk. Strelkov's ones have the "To Kiev" words stenciled on them, the Vostok ones don't have that.
- T-64 tanks (unknown numbers) in various units both in Donetsk and Lugansk
- 1 T54 tank and possibly a few WWII era tanks are being refurbished for action
- BMP2 vehicles in unknown numbers in all units
- Various BTR 60/70/80 vehicles in many units
- Strelkov has one or 2 surviving BMD2, I have seen a few more with other units in Donetsk
- 1 BM-21 Grad launcher was seen in a video clip in Lugansk
- 1 D-30 howitzer was captured from the Ukrainian army
- A number of Sani 120mm mortars
- 1 Strela-10 (Sa-13) mobile SAM launcher in Donetsk
- Various KAMAZ and Ural Trucks, some have been armoured
- Many UAZ and other Jeeps and pickups.
- Newly seen in Donetsk was a UAZ Patriot 4x4 pickup truck

Other weapons include:

- SPG-9 recoilless guns
- Fagot, Konkurs and Metis ATGMs
- PTRS 14.5mm anti tank rifle from WWII
- AGS-17 grenade launchers
- RPG-7/18/22/26
- Utes .50 caliber machine guns
- IGLA MANPADS
- ASVK 12.7 mm sniper gun

UPDATE I:

Add 3 of BS-3 100mm anti-tank guns where seen in Krasnodon Lugansk today.

UPDATE II:

Add 3 MT-LB vehicles

UPDATE III:



3 x 2S1 GVOZDIKA 122mm Self-propelled guns seen in Yenakievo today

Russia have failed MISERABLY ,to document the war crimes of the Kiev national guard ,Right Sector and other CIA-Criminals groups. A simple video of war crimes committed on civilians by the Ukraine army ,killing civilians with their own hands women and children will be enough to destroy the image of Poroshenko Junta and its operations in eastern Ukraine.  Most of the times civilians and children are killed ,, the story is never filmed for people to see it.

Only changing world opinion can stop the war in Ukraine ,and without documenting in camera the genocide against civilians that will not be possible.


and in other news.. on the diplomatic side..
The White House is becoming isolated more than ever this week. their travel to Europe this week ,to create a united front for more Sanctions against Russia is doomed to Fail. Nothing less than 9 nations in Europe standing against Sanctions on Russia. The US senate and congress Neocons cronies for sure have to be on total hysteria now.. their NATO allies are in rebellion it seems.. 

Will be nice if Russia now orders more military hardware from the EU , like 2 more Mistral ships and 1 helicopter carrier from Spain and a couple of diesel electric submarines from Germany just to annoy the hell of the Neocons cronies.. it will be priceless.   

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_15/Nine-EU-members-to-veto-anti-Russian-sanctions-4853/

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/740601
Lugansk Republic press service: militiamen kill about 100 Ukrainian soldiers
LUGANSK, July 15 /ITAR-TASS/. Militiamen of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) have killed about 100 Ukrainian army personnel, destroyed five tanks, two infantry combat vehicles, two armored personnel carriers and a mortar battery over the past 24 hours during a battle for the Lugansk Airport, the LPR press service reported Monday.
“In this way, the Lugansk residents have managed to keep airport blockade. The enemy retreated to positions occupied a day before. The localities of Rodakovo, Alexandrovka, Yubileyny remain under LPR army control,” the press service said.
Before noon on Monday, Lugansk was shelled by the Ukrainian military presumably from the Tyulpan heavy 240-millimeter mortar. Shells landed in an area of private houses, a house was completely destroyed and one person was wounded.

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http://161.ru/text/newsline/819093.html
В приграничье Дона погибли два военнослужащих Минобороны РФ

Оригинал материала: http://161.ru/text/newsline/819093.html

There is something fishy about some of DPR/LPR's claims.

1. They claim mora than 100 UKR soldiers killed in Lugansk - where are the photos of dead bodies and destroyed equioment? So far we only have one video of a a guy talking about something

2. They claim they captured a SU-25. If they did, did they release a video showing the aircraft? What are it's ID numbers? IF they conducted an airstrike, which airport did it take off from? There are no airports in rebels' control.

Евросоюз отказался оплачивать долг Украины за газ
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/15/nopay/

arpakola wrote:Евросоюз отказался оплачивать долг Украины за газ
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/15/nopay/

Translation:

The European Union refused to pay the debt of Ukraine for gas
The EU does not intend to repay the debt of Ukraine for Russian gas. On this, as reported by RIA Novosti , the head of the European Commission's Directorate for Energy Dominique Ristori.

Responding to a question about whether the EU is considering the possibility of paying debts Ukraine Ristori shook his head and said that the EU has rendered an important macro-financial assistance. "We are also in close contact with the International Monetary Fund, to promote the reform of the energy market of Ukraine. That's important, "- he said.
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/15/nopay/

Its Official now ,the people of Donetsk and Lugansk have united their parliaments ,a constitution and created the
state of Novorossia.   

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/740756

Notice the people on the the meeting..   




On the war front.. there are reports in July 15 of another SU-25 plane shot down..

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/740761

I cannot understand the Ukraine Airforce actions.. it appears as if most of the pilots do not want to fight
and ejecting from the planes as soon the fly near the combat zones.. This is mind blowing , I never seen such poor
performance of any airforce against paramilitary groups.. in Syria war for example , you could count with one hand or bit more the planes shut down in more than 3 years. Last time Syrian airforce lost a plane to jihadist manpads was like a year ago and they have to fight very well armed jihadist with stingers missiles and IGlas. and Ukraine airforce is losing 1 plane almost every day.  

Unfortunately we still didn't see any photo of UkAF Su-25 wreckage.

medo wrote:Unfortunately we still didn't see any photo of UkAF Su-25 wreckage.

But they have the pilot arrested..
So it will be a matter of time for you to see evidence..

Lugansk militia detains Ukrainian pilot, contemplates prisoner exchange

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_15/Lugansk-militia-detains-Ukrainian-pilot-contemplates-prisoner-exchange-6620/

a captured pilot is more than enough evidence for me.. than to go with a camera into a forest ,that you don't know
if could be mined or ukraine troops searching for it too.  The crew of the AN-26 plane is also captured .

But in my opinion the pilots of the SU-25 pilot should not be released at all..

Ukrainian AF aircraft hits urban areas in Donetsk region with 11 dead, 8 injured

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_15/Ukrainian-AF-aircraft-hits-urban-areas-in-Donetsk-region-with-11-dead-8-injured-2711/

Earlier in the day a Ukrainian aircraft fired five rockets within the urban boundaries of the town of Snezhnoe, says Interfax citing a source in the Donetsk-based militia headquarters. "They hit the tax administration building and one of the entrances to a nearby residential house," militia reported. "[b]Eleven people were killed, according to information available by 5 pm. Eight were injured, among them a child.[/b] The child has been transported to the Donetsk regional hospital," the Donetsk regional administration said on its website. Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_15/Ukrainian-AF-aircraft-hits-urban-areas-in-Donetsk-region-with-11-dead-8-injured-2711/ wrote:

The pilots attacking civilians must have to be sent to Russia for warcrimes and a trial against them in public made ,with the families of the victims for indiscriminate attack on civilians. Releasing them is a Big mistake ,because they will return to fly in another plane and continue killing civilians. Hopefully Putin and Russia Government will stop failing miserably in incompetence in documenting the illegal war in eastern Ukraine and for once show a solid case of Genocide and warcrimes against Kiev military operation in the east ,in the world for everyone to see . IS pretty Pathetic ,beyond stupidity that Russia all they have achieved until now is a lonely documented case against two journalist killed.. after many months of war and many hundreds of civilians killed and schools and hospitals bombed. If Russia plans not to invade , then at very least they need to fully get the world attention of the Civilians
being systematically killed in Ukraine.

As long the kiev junta continue not being held accounted for their genocide against civilians womens and children , the war will continue.

Some good news from the front...

It looks like the Junta attack on Lugansk has failed. According to the latest reports, they are pulling back on all fronts having suffered pretty serious losses. They've pulled back to their starting positions and in some cases up to 20km further back from their starting positions (reports about Aleksandrovsk and surrounding towns being abandoned). I think they're trying to straighten the front line and reduce the number of exposed positions.

The official reason given for the withdrawal is that the rebels have threatened to level Lugansk if they do not withdraw     so them being sensitive souls, they've agreed to pull back   

Also, the Junta confirms they are trying to retreat from the corridor along the Russian border (a.k.a the Cauldron). Reports about large columns of Ukr. armour on the move in that area...hopefully the rebels will be able to wreck some of those columns as they have to pass the Saur Mogila heights. Yesterday the rebels occupied and are fortifying the small village of Stepanovka which is also in that area (right on the Russian border).

Stepanovka



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Some help from Serbian patriots.

Babay
‏@Truth_Seeker_11
Serbian unit in the #Donbass militia has grown to 35 volunteers, after arrival of new recruits from #Serbia, no KIA

They're operating in a joint Serbo-Russian unit and have suffered their first casualties, 4 wounded (3 Serbs + 1 Russian) in the fighting around Lugansk airport.

  Serbian Volunteers

Regarding casualties, the Junta regularly understates it's own losses, sometimes by a magnitude of x 10, while giving ridiculous estimates on rebel losses...yesterday they reported the destruction of nearly 2000 rebels.

A Ukr soldier called 112 Ukraina channel and criticised  the media for it's reporting on the ATO. He says from the 800 men in his unit at the start, there are 400 left. He says they're under constant attack, they don't see the rebels most of the time, short of food, ammo and medicines...his unit is in the previously mentioned corridor along the border

Original text

Звонок из зоны АТО: Мы отступаем четвертый день...
Сегодня, 19:01, Иван, участник АТО

В студию телеканала "112 Украина" поступил звонок от участника АТО. Его рассказ мы передаем дословно, а имя и личные данные не приводим в целях безопасности.
Нас осталось человек 400 из почти 800. С 2:00 нас накрывают "Градами". Около 14:00 был минометный обстрел, а нам даже нечем ответить… Несем потери. Есть убитые и раненые. Сегодня и вчера.
Подкрепления нет, еды нет, воды привезли 400 литров на 400 человек, это по литру в день на человека. А медиа пишут, что мы атакуем Свердловск. Какое?!
Мы отступаем уже четвертый день. Команды выводить нас - нет, нас убьют как пушечное мясо. Мы даже не знаем, против кого мы воюем, мы их не видим, они нас бьют сугубо артиллерией. Притом с территории "нуля" (между границей РФ и Украины). Это та территория. Два несчастных километра нейтральной зоны.
У нас взорваны очень много машин, горят бензовозы, боекомплекты. Команды отходить нет, следим. Командир бригады сказал стоять.
От полной роты осталось 35 человек, единица техники, а должно быть десять единиц техники и 90 человек. Можете представить потери.
Хочу сказать, чтобы наше руководство АТО начало хоть немного действовать, чтоб они отвели отсюда войска. Я понимаю, что это будет место для укрепления боевиков. Чтоб они отвели войска и стали одной живой цепью, чтобы не забрасывали группы. Мы не отказываемся воевать, но не хотим быть пушечным мясом. Мы хотим идти сплошным цельным фронтом. Пусть хоть один приедет сюда и посидит хоть день.
Комментарий пресс-секретаря АТО Владислава Селезнева:
Об этой ситуации есть информация у командования АТО. Сейчас делается все возможное, чтобы вывести наших военных из этой зоны риска.
То, что вчера произошло с Ан-26 – составляющая масштабной операции по обеспечению подразделений, которые выполняют задания на определенных участках границы.
Сейчас происходит так называемое наращивание сил.1

Source: https://vk.com/video254720383_169536809?list=5210c722e78a1d72cd

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Wrecked Ukr Artillery position

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Graphic !!

Also, the Junta confirms they are trying to retreat from the corridor along the Russian border (a.k.a the Cauldron). Reports about large columns of Ukr. armour on the move in that area...hopefully the rebels will be able to wreck some of those columns as they have to pass the Saur Mogila heights.

It will be interesting to see how the rebels fight this battle. They have some key advantages in the region, and the Ukies have to cross a narrow gap with little cover. Looks like good ATGM terrain, and the rebels hold the high ground with a mere 10km gap between that and the Russian boarder.

Zivo wrote:

Also, the Junta confirms they are trying to retreat from the corridor along the Russian border (a.k.a the Cauldron). Reports about large columns of Ukr. armour on the move in that area...hopefully the rebels will be able to wreck some of those columns as they have to pass the Saur Mogila heights.

It will be interesting to see how the rebels fight this battle. They have some key advantages in the region, and the Ukies have to cross a narrow gap with little cover. Looks like good ATGM terrain, and the rebels hold the high ground with a mere 10km gap between that and the Russian boarder.

Strelkov's latest report...as usual in cryptic form   

Марш противника сопровождается. Далеко не все достигнут вожделенной базы под Амвросиевкой. Да и в ее окрестностях, кстати, не очень радостно. Много взрывов.

(a rough translation) the enemy's march is being "followed" or "escorted". Not all of them will make it back to their base at Amvrosievsk. All is not happy there either...lots of explosions.


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Spetznas unit from Kirovograd has been ambushed near the Izvarino border crossing....8 dead and about 10 wounded. Rebel report confirmed by Uke media

Fighters from the third separate special purpose regiment attacked with rocket-propelled grenades. Eight soldiers were killed and a dozen wounded, some in critical condition.
http://www.unian.net/politics/940042-vozle-izvarino-obstrelyali-ukrainskih-voennyih-vosem-pogibshih-smi.html

Looks like Assault Rifles and Machine guns have become dated.. now you simply fire a Kornet hit armor 5km away and use mortars and the battle ends with one side wiped. Regardless if they are special forces or not.. a special hit with a rocket grenade from 2k-4km away is going to neutralize even the best world soldiers..

The Russian Kornets-D should become very handy since can hit soldiers up to 10km away and also be used against
CLose air support too like a manpad. But Krasnopol-M lazer artillery takes the cake for me. To have a artillery 30km away , doing direct hits on tanks is truly amazing. You can literary do carpet bombing on any column of tanks without having airforce in a well coordinated attacks and several artillery units.

On predictions ... i really think the Rebels do have a very big chance to win 50/50 ,with well coordinate tactics but also fully documenting the warcrimes of Kiev junta ATO operations on civilians.  But if they win other cities will Rebel
too and take arms ,taking advantage of the collapse of the Ukie army and major defections everywhere. Hopefully
Odessaa and other coastal zones will follow ,all the way to Kharkiv and become part of NOVORossia .Truly Regardless of what happens on the military conflict.. Ukraine will disband in many parts.. i dont think they will survive as one nation in less than a year . Will be surprised if Ukraine still exist by summer 2015.

As Sa'iqa wrote:There is something fishy about some of DPR/LPR's claims.

1. They claim mora than 100 UKR soldiers killed in Lugansk - where are the photos of dead bodies and destroyed equioment? So far we only have one video of a a guy talking about something

2. They claim they captured a SU-25. If they did, did they release a video showing the aircraft? What are it's ID numbers? IF they conducted an airstrike, which airport did it take off from? There are no airports in rebels' control.

I have no knowledge about rebel Su-25, but 100 KIA in next few days wouldn't surprise me. We hear very alarming info even on Ukrainian news.. To be honest, I'm starting to feel bad for Ukrainian soldiers..

Wow.. even in Zionist heaven  (ie.. MP.net).. people are turning more and more against the Kiev junta military operations in eastern ukraine and their indiscriminate bombing .. Here is a shocking video of one civilians building
Bombed by the Ukranian Airforce with civilians and children inside..Dozen of civilians reported in the attack..  



The kiev junta is claiming ,that Russia attacked the building.   
It just shows the lack of respect and seriousness the kiev junta have for civilians womens and children being killed in their illegal operations,really hope that if Russia invade Ukraine , that they first get very good intelligence of all the leaders and ministers in power of the Poroshenko Government. and Generals responsible for the war in eastern ukraine.. and that an Iskander missiles decapitate all of them..including Porky King , before they flee to United States for protection.

As i said this war can only be ended in 2 fronts.. both important..

1) Full documented media Coverage of kiev national guard war crimes against civilians..
2) And Rebels holding up and defending their positions .

Once the world opinion ,but also majority of Ukrainians start to see the reality of what the Ukie national guard and airforce at the orders of Poroshenko are really doing against civilians ,Massive protest world wide will start and massive defections from the Ukraine army.  A single well documented war crime event against women and children will be enough to shock the world and Pressure Poroshenko to stop the war.

Documented reports like this .. is what are really needed to stop the war.
even OSCE monitors are saying civilians are bombed.. wondering what will the PRO NATO folks will say now
about the kiev war on eastern ukraine.




Anti-terrorist operation is not , but an ethnic cleansing of Russians and supporters ,including women and children.


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medo wrote:

Picture of destroyed Ukrainian T-64BM Bulat tank. It looks, that on back of turret all ERA blocks exploded. Could be true the story of one soldier, who fire with NSV machine gun on tanks and destroy them. Actually not really destroy them, but activate all ERA blocks on one side and than the job could be easily finished with RPG or ATGM.

From a different angle   



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A radio repeater tower at Donetsk airport has apparently been blown up



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Ukr. Huey choppers   

Vann7 wrote:As i said this war can only be ended in 2 fronts.. both important..

1) Full documented media Coverage of kiev national guard war crimes against civilians..
2) And Rebels holding up and defending their positions .

Once the world opinion ,but also majority of Ukrainians start to see the reality of what the Ukie national guard and airforce at the orders of Poroshenko are really doing against civilians ,Massive protest world wide will start and massive defections from the Ukraine army.  A single well documented war crime event against women and children will be enough to shock the world and Pressure Poroshenko to stop the war
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Crimes are being documented. Avakov and Kolomojski have already been charged in absentia.....although I don't think that by itself will influence events at this stage

Ternopil




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Lviv

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/15/ato/

Ukranian Gov admits these losses to date during the ATO:
258 dead
922 wounded
45 captured

arpakola wrote:Ternopil

That video shows exactly what i have been saying.. the first signs of a full scale civil war.. Regardless of what happens in the military conflict/genocide in the east . You will see that level of unrest in all cities.. Imagine
Euromaidan unrest in Kiev but spread in all cities in all ukraine.  Like others have said.. patriotism is nice ,but
when people no longer can eat ,have no job and no money , those Euromaidans thugs who kissed the EU flag
will spit on it. Is all about money and future . And in the end family needs will have more weight than the ukraine
flag.

So the US state department very well knows , Ukraine is a time bomb ,that will explode when its economy collapse.
And unfortunately for them ,their puppets will be the ones ousted from power when that happen by the very same
thugs they financed first.

So this is why the US state department is desperate to sanction Russia and decelerate their economy significantly at any cost ,force them to invade Ukraine and not allow them to leave.. and all that before Ukraine economy collapse. So Russia will be blamed for it. Because it will be very dangerous for them ,that when Ukraine economy collapse and people frozen on their homes without Gas ,that US and the EU end being blamed for their misery.. that they feel betrayed ,that were promised a better future and progress and they get instead and no mans land nation of criminals and gangs on every corner looting everything.

It will be impossible for US and its NATO allies to hold the loyalty of Ukraine if the nation economy collapse and Crimea under Russia do very well .  So this is why i think we will see more attacks on Russia territory but
also massacres against civilians inside Ukraine ,to lure Russia to invade ,and then justify a blockade on Russia energy business in europe.

And things will get even more nasty if the Rebels defeat the kiev national guard forces ,and or thousands of them defect and are taken Prisoner. This will be a major blow to Kiev and a major defect and Ukrainians could get very angry against poroshenko . In short if the Rebels win the war ,Poroshenko and his ministers could end lynched
like Qadafi in kiev parliament for the wasted thousands of soldiers lives wasted in the operation..

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/unn-stream

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