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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

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    Post  arpakola Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:13 pm

    macedonian wrote:Strelkov's answer to the 'ceasefire':

    Strelkov wrote:In the opinion of the Commander in Chief of the DPR (“Donetsk People’s Republic”) Militia, the announced ceasefire is merely a ploy to allow [Ukraine] to regroup its forces.

    The news of a ceasefire immediately spread across Slavyansk. Where there is electricity, people learned about it through television, where there is none – with the help of radios that still catch the signal of the Kramatorsk radio station. The first thing that we asked [Strelkov] about:
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    Strelkov: Yesterday alone, we received approximately 40 volunteers. Today, I am expecting around 50. To date, I have witnessed only an inflow of [volunteers] to our region. People join the ranks of the militia, receive weapons and take their places at our combat positions. Any outflow is insignificant. Of course, we do get craven people, there are also deserters. There are those, who, having come under fire, become terribly afraid and announce their desire to [leave]. As in any army, their share is about 10%. I think that there will be no one willing to take Poroshenko’s offer either in the Slavyansk garrison or the in the garrisons of the neighbouring cities.

    According to Strelkov, his initiative shows that Poroshenko is trying to keep a good face while playing foul. Even now, Ukranian force, in large columns, are moving from Berdyansk to Mariupol and, from there, to the North – North-East. Their intention is to assume starting positions for an offensive along the border.

    According to [Strelkov], they are planning to cut off the Lugansk and Donetsk oblasts from their natural food and fuel supply channels – channels, which theoretically, could be used for equipment and weaponry.

    Strelkov: In the end, we are still hoping that Russia will help us sooner or later. But, for now, the Ukrainian side will conclude concentrating their forces in the course of the next twenty-four hours, will conduct new air and artillery strikes, and will commence an offence along the border in both direction – from the North and from the South. No other conclusion is possible, unless, of course, Vladimir Vladimirovich personally intervenes in this situation and takes some sort of measures to completely undermine the plans concocted by the Kiev occupation powers.

    So, they don't seem to have a problem with people joining their ranks, rather (as I've said before) they have a problem with lack of weapons. Godspeed to them!

    Вчерашняя отправка ополчения в Славянск!
    Людей с каждым днем приходит все больше и больше.
    Все на борьбу с фашистской хунтой, убивающей наших женщин и детей!
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    "Yesterday volunteers to Slavyansk from Donetsk. More and more people come to fight vs fascist junta."

    Bolatov said today that they captured 7 BTR's, 1 BMP, 1 BMD, 2 tanks.
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    Post  macedonian Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:39 pm

    ^^^
    Brave, good people.
    I hope they prevail.
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    Post  Viktor Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:52 pm

    Interesting

    In Lugansk, killed an American general?
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    Post  Viktor Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:55 pm

    Very important to recognize the truth - even from under USA influence UN

    UN observers: "Right sector" involved in the events of May 2 in Odessa
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    Post  Viktor Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:54 pm

    The man  russia 

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    Post  Airbornewolf Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:54 pm

    macedonian wrote:^^^
    Brave, good people.
    I hope they prevail.

    i agree, brave people that risk their lives protecting their homes against an enemy bent on destroying their homes and fammilies. i would have done the same thing in their positions.

    but i really hope they do not give their lives without some proper gear and training. maybe a certain sympathetic and anonymous country can deliver some "non lethal aid" too if they are not doing so already.

    after all,....its "non-lethal support" to the point where it is taken out of the crate,assembled and the safety is removed right? Razz. the TOW-2's in Syria rebels hands where supplied in the same fashion.

    i really admire their commitment to take up arms, but what i see is potential possibly wasted in somebody that can have far better odds with some training and equipment. im not talking about weeks of bootcamp either, with a few tips and tools survival odds can be signifcantly increased that prevent common mistakes in combat. but they have to train that. communicate with eachother, contact manouvre's, leadership and seeing opertunity's and take initiative.


    i i would not send these men off to fight and die without knowing they made some sort of chance against the enemy, these are obviously people that have fammily's one way or another. human resources should be respected, understood and positively motivated for maximum effect.
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    Post  medo Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:55 pm

    Bolatov said today that they captured 7 BTR's, 1 BMP, 1 BMD, 2 tanks.

    Yesterday they also capture 1 or 2 T-64 tanks, so they capture whole armored company. They could now formed an enforced company with 200 men.

    If they actually capture that tank base, they could equip with those tanks ans BMPs an armor brigade with rest to be used for spare parts. Are there any SAMs?
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    Post  etaepsilonk Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:20 pm

    Pro-kiev forces used APERS rounds in Slaviansk.
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    Post  medo Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:42 pm

    There are some info, that NG battalion Aidar was destroyed under Lugansk in Ambush.
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    Post  macedonian Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:48 pm

    medo wrote:There are some info, that NG battalion Aidar was destroyed under Lugansk in Ambush.
    Yes, it's a few hours old news, and it's confirmed by the Ukrainians too.
    Though they claim that Aidar acted without coordinating with Central Command, and THAT'S WHY it happened... Laughing 
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    Post  macedonian Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:53 pm

    Slightly offtop, but Korea is surprisingly quiet on the whole mess...
    I'm starting to (generally) like Koreans more and more (apart from liking my Korean friends who are pure golden people!).
    I found this pic apparently from the Russia-Korea game yesterday:
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    Love it! Japan - take note!
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    Post  medo Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:28 pm

    macedonian wrote:Slightly offtop, but Korea is surprisingly quiet on the whole mess...
    I'm starting to (generally) like Koreans more and more (apart from liking my Korean friends who are pure golden people!).
    I found this pic apparently from the Russia-Korea game yesterday:
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    Love it! Japan - take note!

     thumbsup 
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    Post  mack8 Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:40 pm

    I'm afraid that is photoshop, 99.99% certain.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:44 am

    [quote="macedonian"]Slightly offtop, but Korea is surprisingly quiet on the whole mess...
    I'm starting to (generally) like Koreans more and more (apart from liking my Korean friends who are pure golden people!).
    I found this pic apparently from the Russia-Korea game yesterday:
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    It could be photoshop.. but thats exactly the kind of things that can end the war..
    Public Opinion is Everything...If Ukrainians weren't so parasites and lazis ,and they had MILLIONS PROTEST in all cities all the way to kiev to STOP the illegal war in E.Ukraine and solve things diplomatically , That the national guard needs to stop bombing cities.. you can be sure it will pressure enormously the Fascist in power and even the white house , it will Panic them of losing control of the entire nation and will force them to negotiate.  But the Lazy Ass parasites Ukrainians DO nothing..  get 50,000 to 100,000 protesters in all cities..from Odessa to Kharkiv
    against Kiev illegal war and you will see how they will Panic and will stop the war. I repeat again.. the war can be ended in no time.. without a single shot been fired.. just normal civilians protesting can stop a war. And Mass public participation will convince any Police or soldiers on the side of Kiev ,to defect and switch sides.. Ukraine biggest problem is its own people. They expect others to solve their problems without them doing anything.  

    This is what can save Ukraine.. more than any weapon or any army..
    How can kiev fight this ???????????



    That will make VERY unpopular the leadership in kiev and force them to backdown and start reforms and anything they want. Egypt removed from power a Dictator not one but 2 times..without any call of arms or occupying any building. Why the White House could do nothing to save Morsi ? People united in the millions with international media coverage can counter any army in the world. Not even all the money of the US congress could keep his puppet in power.. and all that was needed was simple ... Fucking people participation in rallies. People to Protest and get media worldwide to cover everything. Violence is not needed.. People lack of Fucking participation is. Ukrainians are their worse enemy.. they are lazy fat ass and too conformist . Half a million miners prefer to earn a misery in Ukraine than
    to go to the streets and protest their government. If egyptians can remove TWO dictators in a year, backed by USA ,that had them living in misery. So is not rocket science ..is to just a matter of determination. When you see young womens taking gun to defend civilians ,and mens just living their lives as usual ,there is a problem in that society.
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    Post  macedonian Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:41 am

    And not only men man-up to fight for their liberty...


    Brave girl...
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    Post  macedonian Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:56 am



    Supposedly a footage of the mentioned 'Aidar' battalion getting destroyed by Self-defense forces.
    You'll need to use a lot of imagination and analytic skills to decipher that one though.
    Well, it's a battleground footage, one can't expect cameras covering many angles of the fight.
    But an interesting watch.
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    Post  arpakola Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:15 am



    =============================
    itr is said that there was a meeting of Mustafa Dzhemilev and Ihor Kolomoyskyi at Dnipropetrovsk at 17th July with the agenta  to start terror acts in Crimea..!!

    ОБРАЩЕНИЕ СЕРГЕЯ АКСЁНОВА К ЖИТЕЛЯМ КРЫМА
    Исполняющий обязанности Главы Республики Крым – Председатель Совета министров РК Сергей Аксёнов прокомментировал сообщения, появившиеся в СМИ, о том, что в Днепропетровске состоялась встреча Мустафы Джемилева и Игоря Коломойского, на которой было решено сформировать карательный батальон «Крым».
    «Дорогие крымчане! Мы с вами живём в многонациональном Крыму, в котором нам удалось сохранить мир, спокойствие и межнациональное согласие.
    Действия некоторых бывших лидеров крымско-татарского народа, направленные на борьбу с людьми, которые ранее проживали на территории одного государства, являются, по меньшей мере, несправедливыми по отношению к своим же бывшим согражданам, а призывы к крымским татарам о вступлении в созданные карательные батальоны – однозначно бесперспективными.
    Те, кто решатся на участие в подобных бандформированиях, будут подвергнуты самому строжайшему наказанию в соответствии с действующим уголовным законодательством Российской Федерации. У Правительства Республики Крым и Правительства Российской Федерации достаточно сил, чтобы противостоять любой угрозе со стороны подобных экстремистских организаций.
    Нам не стоит забывать, что жители Юго-Востока Украины, в том числе Луганской и Донецкой Народных Республик, имели право на своё волеизъявление и на определение своей судьбы. Это наши братья и сёстры, выбор которых мы обязаны уважать. А если кто-то считает, что они не имеют права выбора и за этот выбор к ним следует применять действия карательного характера, то это глубочайшая ошибка. Воевать с собственным народом – большая глупость и путь к военным преступлениям!
    При этом, на сегодняшний день и Президент Российской Федерации Владимир Путин, и власти Республики Крым выполняют все обязательства перед крымчанами и перед теми народами, которые несправедливо были подвергнуты депортации.
    В многонациональном Крыму любая организация противостояния по национальному признаку является проявлением высшей политической глупости, узколобости отдельных дискредитировавших себя личностей».


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    Post  macedonian Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:20 am

    About that previous post (the destroyed battalion)...here's a LifeNews link.

    WARNING! It's graphic! Watch at your own risk!
    Life News

    I unfortunately have watched the whole thing (the first video on that page)...There are a few POW's there, and you can sense their fear! I mean really sense it! I truly and honestly hope they don't get mistreated!

    War just brings out the worst in people...fcuk...
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    Post  macedonian Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:47 am

    Two more videos:

    and a heart-wrenching story:


    How the fcuk does it come this far...
    People exchanging bodies and speaking the very same language...their culture is the same, most of them have families across the border in Russia...
    You have to hand it to the Americans, they sure have perfected this "Divide and Conquer" tactic...not that Russians and Ukrainians are blameless...
    It's an ugly start to this day.
    Well...I'm off.
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    Post  TR1 Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:47 am

    macedonian wrote:About that previous post (the destroyed battalion)...here's a LifeNews link.

    WARNING! It's graphic! Watch at your own risk!
    Life News

    I unfortunately have watched the whole thing (the first video on that page)...There are a few POW's there, and you can sense their fear! I mean really sense it! I truly and honestly hope they don't get mistreated!

    War just brings out the worst in people...fcuk...

    That wounded soldier, who they call Ilya, dies during the film.

    RIP Sad
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    Post  macedonian Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:48 am

    TR1 wrote:
    macedonian wrote:About that previous post (the destroyed battalion)...here's a LifeNews link.

    WARNING! It's graphic! Watch at your own risk!
    Life News

    I unfortunately have watched the whole thing (the first video on that page)...There are a few POW's there, and you can sense their fear! I mean really sense it! I truly and honestly hope they don't get mistreated!

    War just brings out the worst in people...fcuk...

    That wounded soldier, who they call Ilya, dies during the film.

    RIP Sad
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    Post  arpakola Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:38 am


    Graphic.. !!
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:22 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    macedonian wrote:About that previous post (the destroyed battalion)...here's a LifeNews link.

    WARNING! It's graphic! Watch at your own risk!
    Life News

    I unfortunately have watched the whole thing (the first video on that page)...There are a few POW's there, and you can sense their fear! I mean really sense it! I truly and honestly hope they don't get mistreated!

    War just brings out the worst in people...fcuk...

    That wounded soldier, who they call Ilya, dies during the film.

    RIP Sad
    X2

    In that clip, were there any non-Ukrainians in the Ajdar battalion? I thought I heard references to other countries.


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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:39 pm



    In that clip, where there any non-Ukrainians in the Ajdar battalion? I thought I heard references to other countries.

    If you look at the clip.. someone says American soldier.. in Russian ,when uncovering the face of one killed.. Americanski ..
    he told.. There are unconfirmed reports of an american general too killed in that day.. could be the same. and some pages ago
    i posted a summary of Ukrainians soldiers killed and foreign soldiers too in kiev operations , from a forum..
    There are reports of about 50 Americans killed ,but also NATO private contractors too.  Russia Lavrov also said there are americans
    fighting with Kiev.. Their intelligence they have on the ground. both foreign fighters exist in both sides.. so is fair.. but what is true is that
    Kiev accuse the Donetsk Fighters to be all Chechens terrorist and thats not true.. vast majority of fighters are from Ukraine. Most fighters from Kiev comes from western Ukraine ,from the Rusophobic NAzi region.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:48 pm

    I just heard a fourth hand news allegedly from Rosbalt that the Russian forces are moving to/towards the Ukrainian border.

    Can someone clarify this?

    I am not insinuating anything, as real Russian military actions have always been disclosed only afterwards, and when there is an announcement nothing militarily happens.

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