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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

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    Post  macedonian Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:17 pm

    Regarding that pathetic excuse that NATO came up with vis-a-vis the tanks being T-72's (which they later had to change to them obviously being T-64's but still claimed them being Russian[!]), I found this interesting statement:
    MofA Article wrote:To me, a former Bundeswehr tank officer, the three traveling tanks reportedly driven by federalists in the videos above are T-64 BVs like the Ukrainian army uses in east Ukraine. Also - as Russia no longer has any T-64s where else could the Ukrainian federalist have obtained those three T-64 tanks than by capturing them in Ukraine?
    Obvious propaganda is obvious.
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    Post  Viktor Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:30 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:It's not batka who's disconnected from reality, but all his fanboys and fangirls who for years have been admiring him as a great leader, good ally etc.

    It's especially prevalent among Russians, and I really have a really hard time finding out why. Maybe it's that "iron fist" image (which, btw, is seriously damaging BY institutions by promoting comformism). And those magnificient moustache also may play a part  Smile 
    Just the opposite. Western opinion agencies found out with horror during theirs most recent poll conducted in Belarus that peopels opinion has completely shifted towards Russia because of Ukraine events. Even those who previously with kind feelengs toward western values have changed their mind and are looking in the Russian direction.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:30 pm

    Viktor wrote:Vann - Lukasenko NEVER said that. His words where taken out of contex. He knows very well what happened and supports Russian position to the last word. Try to find his original statements and see for yourself. If something exists out of its logical implications than you need to search further because in most cases that implys outside inteference. Second, pipes could not have been build before because Russia was trying to secure gas production of Caspian sea in front of Eu and the moment that was done project South Stream was launched.

    " May 11 referendum was illegal, those terrorists calling for separatism should be all killed". What was taken out of context here, buddy?  What a Face



    Viktor wrote:
    Just the opposite. Western opinion agencies found out with horror during theirs most recent poll conducted in Belarus that peopels opinion has completely shifted towards Russia because of Ukraine events. Even those who previously with kind feelengs toward western values have changed their mind and are looking in the Russian direction.

    I'm not talking about ordinary people, I'm talking about their president, who, btw, cannot be replaced by those people, given his "president for life" status.


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    macedonian wrote:Regarding that pathetic excuse that NATO came up with vis-a-vis the tanks being T-72's (which they later had to change to them obviously being T-64's but still claimed them being Russian[!]), I found this interesting statement:
    MofA Article wrote:To me, a former Bundeswehr tank officer, the three traveling tanks reportedly driven by federalists in the videos above are T-64 BVs like the Ukrainian army uses in east Ukraine. Also - as Russia no longer has any T-64s where else could the Ukrainian federalist have obtained those three T-64 tanks than by capturing them in Ukraine?
    Obvious propaganda is obvious.


    That's just how western propaganda works, you pick a random fact and twist it in such a way that it suits your view. That's how several tent camps became "40000 soldiers about to invade", that's how a bunch of guys having recently looted border guard base become "Russian spetsnaz", and that's how a burial ground for 40 guys at bihac became "albanian genocide" Smile
    It's not anything new here, but such stuff is excellent for a good laugh, I have to admit  Laughing 
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:49 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:It's not batka who's disconnected from reality, but all his fanboys and fangirls who for years have been admiring him as a great leader, good ally etc.

    It's especially prevalent among Russians, and I really have a really hard time finding out why. Maybe it's that "iron fist" image (which, btw, is seriously damaging BY institutions by promoting comformism). And those magnificient moustache also may play a part  Smile 
    Just the opposite. Western opinion agencies found out with horror during theirs most recent poll conducted in Belarus that peopels opinion has completely shifted towards Russia because of Ukraine events. Even those who previously with kind feelengs toward western values have changed their mind and are looking in the Russian direction.


    -Lukashenko knows that can't rely on Russia so has to hold a breathtaking balance

    -Can you plese mention for what values West stands for in first place?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:50 pm

    New photo showcasing the attack on the Russian Embassy in Kiev from a different angle:

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    Post  arpakola Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:16 pm


    Alleged footage of Grad attack on Dobropol(Dobropillya in google maps)
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    Post  arpakola Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:31 pm



    Unless Putin has something good in mind ,he will be remembered as a historic chicken..


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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:57 pm

    Russia now enemy, so we’ll help Ukraine build up military - NATO chief
    NATO is preparing a package deal to ramp up the Ukrainian military because it ‘must adapt’ to Russia viewing it as an enemy, the outgoing chief of the military bloc said.

    The deal would be submitted to foreign ministers of members states later this month, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen told El Pais in an interview. He declined to go into detail, but said it provides for defense industry reform and modernization of the Ukrainian military.

    The alliance may also facilitate cooperation with Ukraine over military training, although whatever exercises of NATO member troops would be held in Ukraine is up to individual countries, Rasmussen said.

    "We must adapt to the fact that Russia now considers us its adversary," he explained.
    ......
    http://rt.com/news/166040-nato-train-ukraine-military/
    Why the INF and similar treaties are still being maintained under these insane circumstances, is truly beyond me.  Shocked  Shocked


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    Post  Firebird Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:00 pm


    If thats true, surely Russia should send its forces in asap. Control to the Dnieper+Kiev+Odessa over to Transnistria. Then demilitarise the West and let it rot, leave a couple of bases there (as the US does in Germany, Japan and everywhere else).
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    Post  arpakola Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:23 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    If thats true, surely Russia should send its forces in asap. Control to the Dnieper+Kiev+Odessa over to Transnistria. Then demilitarise the West and let it rot, leave a couple of bases there (as the US does in Germany, Japan and everywhere else).

    I agree
    That should have benn done ..same time as per 11 may.

    Kremlin is loosing ground each day..



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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:23 pm

    http://rt.com/news/166040-nato-train-ukraine-military/

    NATO sees Russia as Enemy, will start supplying Ukrainian Army

    ATO is preparing a package deal to ramp up the Ukrainian military because it ‘must adapt’ to Russia viewing it as an enemy, the outgoing chief of the military bloc said.

    The deal would be submitted to foreign ministers of members states later this month, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen told El Pais in an interview. He declined to go into detail, but said it provides for defense industry reform and modernization of the Ukrainian military.

    The alliance may also facilitate cooperation with Ukraine over military training, although whatever exercises of NATO member troops would be held in Ukraine is up to individual countries, Rasmussen said.

    "We must adapt to the fact that Russia now considers us its adversary," he explained.

    Russia now needs to arm the separatists.  Because regardless what they do, they will be used as the enemy.

    Is there any sort of email so we can start flooding the Duma's email service so that we can start linking to everything our countries are trying to do to Russia, so that maybe they will get the hint then?

    Edit: Ooops, late on the news.
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    Post  arpakola Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:33 pm



    Ukrainian artillery shelled WW2 memorial and 'unknown soldiers' grave' in Saur-Magila in retaliation for yesterday's developments. The hill is as barren as it gets with no separatist anywhere near it.

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:59 pm

    Putin better start helping the Freedom Fighters in Ukraine.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jun 15, 2014 6:32 pm

    About the JEW York Times..

    the owner is a Zionist Jew ,and they all have a massive influence in US foreign policy ,so Don't be surprised ,the Zionist Jews are always pushing for war ,but never suggest Israel to go in the front line. They want IRAN to be bombed but they don't want to do it themselves.
    About NATO threats to Russia.. Russia needs to be ready for all kind of dirty wars ,including chemical warfare or even Biological weapons
    against Eastern Ukraine. The Good news is that Russia have raised good enough public opinion ,and the world more informed about what really happens in Ukraine.  As i told previously NATO have a major weakness , That is they are nothing without U.S. And its alliance is not solid at all.. We saw that in Syria ,when the Kenyan president Obama wanted to create an alliance to fight Syria.. and in the end almost no one showed for a fight. France sent 1 lonely warship ,same with UK. and everyone else was US navy. But no one else showed up. and that was just to fight Syria..  Not China or Russia.  So all that Russia needs to defeat NATO is to destroy its leader ,once a couple of US warships destroyed and Russia threatens to a nuclear war , everyone else will start routing in panic and leave the conflict.  and negotiations for peace will start..
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    Post  Airbornewolf Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:16 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:It's not batka who's disconnected from reality, but all his fanboys and fangirls who for years have been admiring him as a great leader, good ally etc.

    It's especially prevalent among Russians, and I really have a really hard time finding out why. Maybe it's that "iron fist" image (which, btw, is seriously damaging BY institutions by promoting comformism). And those magnificient moustache also may play a part  Smile 
    Just the opposite. Western opinion agencies found out with horror during theirs most recent poll conducted in Belarus that peopels opinion has completely shifted towards Russia because of Ukraine events. Even those who previously with kind feelengs toward western values have changed their mind and are looking in the Russian direction.

    the general opinion here in western europe is shifting more and more towards Russia as well....its just the political elite and NATO here that are dancing to the tunes of the White house.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:25 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    Viktor wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:It's not batka who's disconnected from reality, but all his fanboys and fangirls who for years have been admiring him as a great leader, good ally etc.

    It's especially prevalent among Russians, and I really have a really hard time finding out why. Maybe it's that "iron fist" image (which, btw, is seriously damaging BY institutions by promoting comformism). And those magnificient moustache also may play a part  Smile 
    Just the opposite. Western opinion agencies found out with horror during theirs most recent poll conducted in Belarus that peopels opinion has completely shifted towards Russia because of Ukraine events. Even those who previously with kind feelengs toward western values have changed their mind and are looking in the Russian direction.

    the general opinion here in western europe is shifting more and more towards Russia as well....its just the political elite and NATO here that are dancing to the tunes of the White house.

    There are? Cause all I am reading in western world is Anti Putin crap none stop, from people as well.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:26 pm

    Kharkiv Today:


    Possibility of mass Defections:
    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/736141
    All army units in Lugansk and east of it switch sides to join Lugansk republic

    World June 15, 18:55 UTC+4
    LUGANSK, June 15, /ITAR-TASS/. All army units in Lugansk and east of the city have switched sides to join the newly proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic, head of the republic Valery Bolotov said on Sunday.
    “By now, all army units in Lugansk and east of the city have come over to the Lugansk People’s Republic, except those staying at the airport. We are in talks with them, trying to persuade them,” he told a news conference.
    He refuted reports that the Dnepropetrovsk paratrooper brigade had left the Lugansk international airport. “No one left the territory of the airport,” he said.
    Commenting on reports that the Dnepropetrovsk paratroopers had been barred from leaving the airport by a Lvov brigade, also defending the airport, Bolotov said, “If the Dnepropetrovsk servicemen ask us to help, we will help them.
    Vladimir Gromov, the chief of the republic’s counter-intelligence service, told a news conference that anti-saboteur units will be formed.
    “From tomorrow, we are forming a special unit that will work to prevent subversive activities,” he said.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:34 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Kharkiv Today:


    Possibility of mass Defections:
    http://en.itar-tass.com/world/736141
    All army units in Lugansk and east of it switch sides to join Lugansk republic

    World  June 15, 18:55 UTC+4
    LUGANSK, June 15, /ITAR-TASS/. All army units in Lugansk and east of the city have switched sides to join the newly proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic, head of the republic Valery Bolotov said on Sunday.
    “By now, all army units in Lugansk and east of the city have come over to the Lugansk People’s Republic, except those staying at the airport. We are in talks with them, trying to persuade them,” he told a news conference.
    He refuted reports that the Dnepropetrovsk paratrooper brigade had left the Lugansk international airport. “No one left the territory of the airport,” he said.
    Commenting on reports that the Dnepropetrovsk paratroopers had been barred from leaving the airport by a Lvov brigade, also defending the airport, Bolotov said, “If the Dnepropetrovsk servicemen ask us to help, we will help them.
    Vladimir Gromov, the chief of the republic’s counter-intelligence service, told a news conference that anti-saboteur units will be formed.
    “From tomorrow, we are forming a special unit that will work to prevent subversive activities,” he said.



    New report surfaces of possibility that the military cargo plane that recently was shot down wiht 49 service mans..could have been attacked by the Ukraine Army..  Shocked 

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_15/Il-76-might-be-destroyed-by-Ukrainian-military-LPR-press-service-3258/

    There are reports of Servicemen from Lviv and Dnepropetrovsk are fighting with each other. and big divisions and serious local rebellions withing the army.. It could be a trap and all staged to infiltrate inside Donetsk forces ,but the possibility of real defections are very high.
    But make not mistake even the rumors of massive defections withing the army (even if they are not true) could be lethal for the loyalty of the Ukraine army.Because it will encourage others to consider defecting to Russian side and get a secure job withing Russian army. But whatever is happening in Ukraine ,there is something very very clear. Time is on the side of Russia. The more time the Ukrainian conflict continues , the worse the Ukraine economy will be and public opinion too and when it collapse ,is when the real revolution will begin. How many people you know that will defend their nation flag no matter what,if they either have to work for free or no job and no food for its family and on top of that needs to help in an illegal war ,that is indiscriminately bombing civilians?  Not many will remain loyal to kiev if the civil war last for another year. And NATO will not be able to carry the economy of Ukraine.

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    Post  macedonian Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:00 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:the general opinion here in western europe is shifting more and more towards Russia as well....its just the political elite and NATO here that are dancing to the tunes of the White house.
    Doesn't matter. Not at all.
    'The West' is all about elites™ and plebs.
    You know that no matter how disillusioned one becomes with the policies of the elites, if given an order ONE HAS TO go and fight for the said elites.
    That's how 'The West' works. That's how it prospers. That's how they sponsor 'revolutions' - by buying out or corrupting the ruling elites™.
    They couldn't care less about the plebs, be they Russian, Ukrainian, American, Dutch or Macedonian. Everyone should know their Modus operandi by now. This world is getting fckued over by them a little too much...
    And now they're PUSHING FOR WAR WITH RUSSIA. It'll not end well, this.
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    Post  macedonian Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:34 pm

    Ukraine to close border with Russia next week - defence minister
    Military together with frontier guards already blocked 250 km of the Ukrainian-Russian border, the acting head of department Mikhail Koval declared
    TASS wrote:KIEV, June 15, /ITAR-TASS/. Ukraine will close its border with Russia next week, Ukraine’s acting Defence Minister Mikhail Koval said on Sunday.
    “The military jointly with border guards have already closed 250 kilometres of the Ukrainian-Russian border. It will take several days more to close the entire border,” he said. “Ukraine’s supreme commander-in-chief, its president has already set clear tasks regarding the closure of the eastern border. We are fulfilling these tasks. Next week we will be through with them. We have practically closed almost 250 kilometres of the state border. Our people are deployed near the state border along with border guards.
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    Post  arpakola Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:34 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    Airbornewolf wrote:the general opinion here in western europe is shifting more and more towards Russia as well....its just the political elite and NATO here that are dancing to the tunes of the White house.
    Doesn't matter. Not at all.
    'The West' is all about elites™ and plebs.
    You know that no matter how disillusioned one becomes with the policies of the elites, if given an order ONE HAS TO go and fight for the said elites.
    That's how 'The West' works. That's how it prospers. That's how they sponsor 'revolutions' - by buying out or corrupting the ruling elites™.
    They couldn't care less about the plebs, be they Russian, Ukrainian, American, Dutch or Macedonian. Everyone should know their Modus operandi by now. This world is getting fckued over by them a little too much...
    And now they're PUSHING FOR WAR WITH RUSSIA. It'll not end well, this.

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    . The version of the transport Il-76 being destroyed near Lugansk by the Ukrainian military is not excluded, the press-service of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic (LPR) informed an ITAR-TASS correspondent today.

    "Shootings were observed on the territory of the airport during the week. Servicemen from Lviv and Dnepropetrovsk are fighting with each other. The Dnepropetrovsk group wanted to leave /the territory of the airport - ITAR-TASS/, but they were not allowed. There was a landing party from Dnepropetrovsk on board the shot down plane. Perhaps, /servicemen from/ Lviv thought it would somehow change the balance of forces. So, the version of the Il-76 aircraft being shot down by the Ukrainian military is not excluded," the press-centre of the LPR informs.
    The transport aircraft Il-76 was shot down at the moment of landing at the airport of Lugansk on the night of June 14.
    Earlier, the self-proclaimed LPR headed by Valery Bolotov took the responsibility for downing the aircraft. According to press-secretary of the LPR, Oksana Chigrina, the transport aircraft violated Bolotov's order on closed airspace over Lugansk. " Bolotov's order on closed airspace over Lugansk was violated. The document stated that in case of a violation of the order, appropriate measures will be taken," Chigrina said.


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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:38 pm

    The above video ,shows clearly that if Russia invade Ukraine ,their tanks cannot end in Donetsk and LUgansk ,but also will have to move
    to Kharkiv and possibly Odessa too ,because as soon the Russian army shows to protect the east.. the other regions will say.. me too..
    protect us.. too. So we are speaking here at nothing less that the total disbanding of Ukraine ,because they cannot survive as nation landlocked and without any industry .

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