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    Post  arpakola Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:34 am

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    Hannibal Barca wrote:Why? What's wrong with this guy? I know VICE is a CIA front shit. Just take a look to their site. But this guy seems to be OK. No? We have any negative reports?

    NATO NGO  my friend ... NATO NGO !!!

    take care

    Don't get me wrong. The Greek franchise of VICE is terrible. NGO in it's highest! We have a huge problem with the social scum here, you know very well but I am talking about this particular guy covering the Ukrainian thing and I have to say that I am reasonably satisfied.

    Am I contented with VICE: No. It is as shit as FOX. Greek subordinates probably worst ever seen!
    Am I contented with this particular guy covering Ukraine? Yes.

    There is always an Anti Russian spice at the end of every single video he releases. Simon is the worst and the most dangarous..
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    Post  macedonian Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:09 am

    Watching Putin live...damn RT needs better translators.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:28 am

    macedonian wrote:Watching Putin live...damn RT needs better translators.

    I agree about RT. Maybe flamming-python should become their translator.
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    Post  macedonian Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:29 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    macedonian wrote:Watching Putin live...damn RT needs better translators.

    I agree about RT. Maybe flamming-python should become their translator.

    Ha ha...very funny - I THOUGHT THE SAME THING!

     Laughing Laughing 
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    Post  arpakola Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:37 am

    Bilboard in Dnepropetrovsk
    '10,000 For A Moscovite, a win-win deal' by Benyamin Kolomoisky owned PrivatBank, same bank that arrested all accounts of Crimean residents without warning within 72 hours of Crimean Referendum.

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    Post  George1 Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:29 pm

    KIEV, April 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukraine's parliament-appointed interim President OleksanderTurchinov said at a parliament session on Thursday that the 25th paratroopers brigade will be dissolved.

    On Monday, the brigade, stationed near the town of Sloviansk, Donetsk region, sided with people's militia, acting mayor and commander of self-defense battalion Vyacheslav Ponomaryov told ITAR-TASS.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:10 pm

    George1 wrote:KIEV, April 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukraine's parliament-appointed interim President OleksanderTurchinov said at a parliament session on Thursday that the 25th paratroopers brigade will be dissolved.

    On Monday, the brigade, stationed near the town of Sloviansk, Donetsk region, sided with people's militia, acting mayor and commander of self-defense battalion Vyacheslav Ponomaryov told ITAR-TASS.

    When their enemies in Kiev are such morons, the DPR defenders probably don't need to break much of a sweat. Ukraine is going to eat itself even without them.
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    Post  arpakola Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:03 pm

    turning away from Kramatorsk, back home..



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    Post  Vann7 Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:09 pm



    What happened with the news of yesterday of a new round of convoy of 50 armored tanks/apc recently moving towards Donetsk?
    SHouldt take days to arrive donetsk if they were near.. This group is not the same of the 6 tanks that defected earlier..

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:52 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    What happened with the news of yesterday of a new round of convoy of 50 armored tanks/apc recently moving towards Donetsk?
    SHouldt take days to arrive donetsk if they were near.. This group is not the same of the 6 tanks that defected earlier..


    Not sure if its the guys you mean but about 200 paratroopers were disarmed yesterday; as a result of negotiations they all took the bolt carriers out of their AKs, handed them over, and then turned around back to Dnepropetrovsk, along with their vehicles. And now that brigade has been disbanded by Tuchinov's order; so anyone else still hanging around would be demobilized or transfered to other units
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    Post  etaepsilonk Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:54 pm

    Ukrainian side quits discussions in Geneva, although they seem to continue without it:
    http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1129273
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:41 pm

    The EU parliament threatens sanctions on Russian energy companies
    http://ria.ru/world/20140417/1004334881.html

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    Krivoj Rog graffiti

    Then:

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #3 - Page 14 Graf1k10

    Now:

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    "Glory to Berkut"

    Also some graffiti in Kherson:

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    "Glory to Berkut"

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    In addition to the shutting down of 2 NPP blocs announced a couple days ago by the Ukraine,
    now the Ukrainian tycoon, Dmitrij Firtash - is announcing the suspension of production at 4 chemical plants

    http://vognebroda.net/d-firtash-planiruet-v-mae-ostanovit-proizvodstvo-na-chetyreh-himicheskih-predpriyatiyah

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    Kharkov activists from the Oplot organization indeed liquidated a pro-Maidan checkpoint at one of the roads into Kharkov
    http://rusvesna.su/news/1397682342

    Apparently, there was a fight at a pro-Maidan checkpoint in Odessa too.

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    According to some witnesses (there are a couple of vids about from the event), the bloody events at Mariupol yesterday was the result of the National Guard opening fire on protestors who came, unarmed, to a military unit with a call for the soldiers to put down their arms. Fire from automatic rifles and machine guns was opened, several bullets richochet off buildings and so on - hitting protestors, killing 1.

    http://vognebroda.net/vlasti-na-ukraine-zhelayut-skryt-istinnoe-polozhenie-veshchey-o-zhertvah-stolknoveniy-v-mariupole

    There is another version, that people were organized by several provocateurs, to try and take the military unit by storm, up to 500 people were there, tried to storm the gate; then fire was opened up, 3 were killed, dozens injured and over 60 arrested.
    Molotov cocktails were thrown some time later after fire was opened, when protestors returned

    But more than likely, this is all part of the same event; i.e. people first gathered to the military base to talk, the National Guard opened fire, injuring several - and then a huge crowd formed and tried to storm the base.

    Basically, details are still unclear.

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    Donetsk residents are right now occupying the Donetsk airport, allegedly led by about 50 members of the Donetsk Berkut.
    It was earlier surrounded by people, and then they went inside and took over.

    Apparently the airport management have expressed sympathy for the DPR, and had negotiations with the protestors

    Ukrainian military are present, looking out the windows. According to some info, there are members of the Ukrainian Police Interior Forces armed with SVD rifles, positioned on top of buildings.

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1397742464 (pics at the link)

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    According to ITAR-TASS, Slavyansk locals have seized the local Radio-TV transmission centre, responsible for broadcasting to Slavyansk, Kramotorsk and other nearby towns.

    They have completely disabled all Ukrainian broadcasting, and enabled Russian TV channels.

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    Some unreliable reports about a hospital in Zaporozhie being seized by unknown people.
    Likely BS IMO

    Still, where there's smoke..

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    Oleg Tsarev was elected as the leader of the South-East movement, at a conference in Donetsk of 25 anti-Maidan and social organisations from Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhia, Nikolayev, Odessa, Kharkov and Kherson regions yesterday

    http://vognebroda.net/predstaviteli-dvadtsati-pyati-obshchestvennyh-organizatsiy-izbrali-tsarkova-koordinatorom-edinogo-tsentra-yugo-vostochnogo-soprotivleniya
    http://rusvesna.su/news/1397738346

    But it seems that he himself is still behind bars.

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    Oh yeah and I nearly forgot - a Kazakh businessman, Yermek Tajchibekov - is offering 1,000,000 roubles (around 30,000 dollars) for the head of Kolomojskij
    Hunting season is open until 1st May

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1397732118

    Here's his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/taychibekoff
    Pretty whack


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    Post  macedonian Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:43 pm

    Lavrov: Ukraine crisis 'agreement reached'

    bbc wrote:Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said that all sides have agreed to steps to "de-escalate" the crisis in Ukraine at talks in Geneva.

    He was speaking at the end of the talks between Russia, Ukraine, the EU and US in the Swiss city.


    Ukraine has been in crisis since the toppling of its pro-Moscow president in February.

    This was followed by the seizing of government buildings in eastern Ukraine by pro-Russian separatists.

    Mr Lavrov said there was agreement that all illegal military formations in Ukraine must be dissolved, and that everyone occupying buildings must be disarmed and leave them.

    He added that there would be an amnesty for all protesters under the agreement.

    Mr Lavrov said the crisis must be settled by Ukrainians themselves and there must be long-term constitutional reforms.

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    Post  macedonian Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:45 pm

    They are crazy if they trust the Americans.
    And I don't think they are crazy.
    So I'm hoping that they still have a few aces up their sleeves.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:45 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Not sure if its the guys you mean but about 200 paratroopers were disarmed yesterday; as a result of negotiations they all took the bolt carriers out of their AKs, handed them over, and then turned around back to Dnepropetrovsk, along with their vehicles. And now that brigade has been disbanded by Tuchinov's order; so anyone else still hanging around would be demobilized or transfered to other units

    This news..


    Over 50 Ukrainian Armored Vehicles Rolling Toward Donetsk - Activists

    DONETSK, April 16 (RIA Novosti) - Pro-federalization activists in Ukraine’s southeastern city of Donetsk say more than 50 military armored vehicles of the Ukrainian Army have been spotted in the region and are now closing on the city.
    “Fifty six times of various vehicles are underway, including infantry fighting vehicles, personnel carriers and trucks for transporting people. They are moving toward Donetsk. We are getting ready to stop them,” Igor Khakimzyanov, chief of the so-called “people’s army” in the self-proclaimed Donetsk Republic, told RIA Novosti.


    That news happened AFTER ,the 6 captured APC that switched sides.,. it was a new group of armored vehicles heading to DONETSK...
    Any idea what happened to that large group of soldiers. in armored cars ? haven't heard anything about them..

    http://en.ria.ru/world/20140416/189241618/Over-50-Ukrainian-Armored-Vehicles-Rolling-Toward-Donetsk--.html

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:50 pm

    Vann7 wrote:That news happened AFTER ,the 6 captured APC that switched sides.,. it was a new group of armored vehicles heading to DONETSK...
    Any idea what happened to that large group of soldiers. in armored cars ? haven't heard anything about them..

    http://en.ria.ru/world/20140416/189241618/Over-50-Ukrainian-Armored-Vehicles-Rolling-Toward-Donetsk--.html


    There were many groups of BMDs all day

    One of them was seized

    Another one broke through when a Ukrainian serviceman threatened to suicide-bomb himself with a grenade

    Another one broke through when Ukrainian servicemen started firing into the air beside the protestors and a BMD ran over a Lada Niva (or what looked like one)

    And then about 200 in total were surrounded and caught in an encirclement for several hours. In the end they agreed to disarm themselves, and then turned around on their vehicles and left.
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    Post  Vann7 Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:10 pm

    WTF... why an ukrainian soldier threatened to suicide with a grenade?  Shocked 

    What was his demands?


    In another note.. it looks like the mistral will be good for the black sea.. and use the helicopters as an early warning system of cruise missiles flying low and to track submarines. One for the black sea.. and another for Northen Sea and another for Far east. That is if Russia still plan to buy them and there is no reverse.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:25 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    In another note.. it looks like the mistral will be good for the black sea.. and use the helicopters as an early warning system of cruise missiles flying low  and to track submarines.  One for the black sea.. and another for Northen Sea and another for Far east. That is if Russia still plan to buy them and there is no reverse.

    Nope. They'll go to northern/pacific fleets. Black sea is too small for such ships.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:45 pm

    Putin is the president of the Ukraine

    A little bit of a Freudian slip, from the Ukrainian media Smile

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    Post  macedonian Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:51 pm

    I can't help but feeling that Russia either:
    -Has lost this round; or
    -Is playing a losers role on purpose...

    But who knows what they have in mind, or what they've been (possibly) threatened with.

    I'm feeling a bit angry by this whole situation and the cemented hypocrisy by 'The West'.
    F' 'em!
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:55 pm

    macedonian wrote:I can't help but feeling that Russia either:
    -Has lost this round; or
    -Is playing a losers role on purpose...

    But who knows what they have in mind, or what they've been (possibly) threatened with.

    I'm feeling a bit angry by this whole situation and the cemented hypocrisy by 'The West'.
    F' 'em!

    It's not the Crimea, Russia is not playing a hand in this latest episode, or not much one - as it has been saying all along.

    So what did it lose?  Razz 

    It escaped sanctions, and that's good

    The agreement is non-enforceable, so it will fail anyway, but now Russia has legitimized its position.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:04 pm

    I believe it is pretty clear what Putin is doing. Russia can do whatever she likes in Ukraine but if she acts immediately taking half Ukraine will be more difficult to grab the Western Ukraine in a couple of years. On the other hand if she grabs all Ukraine immediately will be confronted with a huge unrest and dissatisfaction and a widespread panic among neighboring countries who will fear Russias power.

    He practically keeps the tensions high while waiting the situation in Western Ukraine to mature slowly but surely. Then he will have enough excuses to react decisively engulfing all Ukraine. To give it with an example, if USA was not so impatient with Vietnam to step in during the 60s now Vietnam would have been capitalist, equally all Korea would had been capitalist once became evident that communism is failing but by creating high tensions with the civil war North Koreans resisted long enough for China to emerge and Russia to recover.

    The plan, to me, is simple. Why to take half Ukraine now when you can take whole a little later.
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    Post  As Sa'iqa Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:09 pm

    Today huge pro-Ukrainian protests were held in Donetsk and Kramatorsk. Seems that even there support for Donetsk Republic (or whatever is it's name) is not universal.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:11 pm

    Please Al_Saiga consider that we are only restricted to one negative vote per day and restrain yourself from posting a lot of such posts daily which will make it hard for us to downvote you accordingly.
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    Post  etaepsilonk Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:13 pm

    As Sa'iqa wrote:Today huge pro-Ukrainian protests were held in Donetsk and Kramatorsk. Seems that even there support for Donetsk Republic (or whatever is it's name) is not universal.

    Well, if we count forced demonstrations of university students under the threat of expulsion, then yes, that support is not universal indeed  Wink

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    Anyway, regardless if these political agreements will hold or not, I'm greatly relieved to see the situation between russia and west deescalating, for now at least.

    But I also thought that these talks would include the gas supply situation. Appearantly that wasn't the case.
    So, does anyone know when the gas supply talks could be held?


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