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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:36 am

    No respect  lol1  lol1

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1090903463825936384

    Actually watching that video it is rather interesting.

    All these years we have heard about how uncool Russian aircraft camouflage is and how awesome US all grey camouflage is, but if you look at that video as the aircraft move into the background... the 32-36 second mark notice how shit the American camo is and how awesomely effective the Russian camo is...

    The F-15 is easy to see but the Flanker just disappears despite being the bigger aircraft...
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    Post  Hole Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:18 am

    Looks like Russia got its hands on some klingon tech. Very Happy
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    Post  hoom Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:32 am

    That is a pretty interesting comparison.
    To be fair though the Su-27 is below horizon with clouds behind while the F-15 is silhouetted above the horizon.

    Also for the record: the F-15 wasn't merely 'patrolling' as claimed there, it was armed and intercepting probably a Russian diplomatic flight in 2018 (some suggest 2017).
    Video is taken from intercepted plane.

    Its at least very bad manners to intercept diplomatic flights by openly armed planes & is definitely drifting excessively close so the F-15 was the one out-of-order -> the armed Su-27 aggressively forcing it away.
    Imagine what would happen if an armed Russian plane got that close to Airforce1?

    Similar thing happened in 2017 when a diplomatic plane carrying Shoigu was intercepted by an armed F-16.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:35 am

    That is a pretty interesting comparison.
    To be fair though the Su-27 is below horizon with clouds behind while the F-15 is silhouetted above the horizon.

    Nah bollocks... the dark coloured US aircraft would stand out above or below the horizon... in front of white cloud or blue sky... and the light coloured Russian fighter disappears in something called cloud which you often find in the sky where aircraft operate...

    Also for the record: the F-15 wasn't merely 'patrolling' as claimed there, it was armed and intercepting probably a Russian diplomatic flight in 2018 (some suggest 2017).
    Video is taken from intercepted plane.

    It was in the Baltic sea area in international waters about 8,000km away from America... this American plane came in close to intercept a civilian airliner with Russian officials and that Flanker came in and shooed the American plane away...

    Its at least very bad manners to intercept diplomatic flights by openly armed planes & is definitely drifting excessively close so the F-15 was the one out-of-order -> the armed Su-27 aggressively forcing it away.

    It is Russias backyard, not Americas... fuck the F-15... if it was not in the wrong it would have come back...

    Imagine what would happen if an armed Russian plane got that close to Airforce1?

    Yeah, 400km off the US coast in international airspace but AF1 heading back to the US and a Flanker appears on its wing... they would shit bricks...

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    Post  Cheetah Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:28 pm

    The following video was recently uploaded on Russia's MoD Youtube channel:



    At '1:00', there is a shot from inside the cockpit of one of the Su-27s. I was just curious as to what that instrument is to the bottom-right of the HUD, seemingly where the right MFCD usually sits (popping out from the dash, possibly attached to the HUD base). Looks like the pilot chucked their phone into a holder, and is passing the radar info though it Laughing.

    While I feel that's most certainly not the case, I can't say I've ever seen it before.
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    Post  medo Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:19 pm

    Cheetah wrote:The following video was recently uploaded on Russia's MoD Youtube channel:



    At '1:00', there is a shot from inside the cockpit of one of the Su-27s. I was just curious as to what that instrument is to the bottom-right of the HUD, seemingly where the right MFCD usually sits (popping out from the dash, possibly attached to the HUD base). Looks like the pilot chucked their phone into a holder, and is passing the radar info though it Laughing.

    While I feel that's most certainly not the case, I can't say I've ever seen it before.

    Yes, it looks like the pilot placed his mobile phone on the HUD. Maybe he use it for GPS navigation. Unfortunately it covers his radar/IFDL screen.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:29 am

    The V shape on the screen looked like it would be the sort of output the display it is covering would show... perhaps it wasn't the pilot... to be honest reading the comments before looking at the video I thought he might have taped it on to record video of the flight... certainly at the end when firing the cannon... it would be the cool sort of video most people can't record when they are at work... but having watched it and the fact that it actually conceals the existing display suggests to me that the aircraft might have had its original display being found to be faulty and replaced with this temporary alternative... it certainly seemed to be displaying MFD type information so might have been plugged in to the aircraft and just acting as a small MFD.

    It is a Navy aircraft and they generally don't like to spend money on things they don't have to when they don't have to and if a small MFD can be attached to the cockpit and perform the function of a much older display then why not?
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    Post  mnztr Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:53 pm

    Not heard much about the SU-27 recently. The last major upgrade was around 2004. Is there any plan to upgrade them again in parallel with the SU-30 MK2? I assume Russia still has a pretty huge fleet of them.
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    Post  Isos Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:03 am

    mnztr wrote:Not heard much about the SU-27 recently. The last major upgrade was around 2004. Is there any plan to upgrade them again in parallel with the SU-30 MK2? I assume Russia still has a pretty huge fleet of them.

    I think the only in service are the SM and SM3 modernized which is a handfull of them.

    No sign that they will modernize them. They will be replaced by su-57 IMO.

    They are still good for patrols and interceptions but they are pretty old and have nothing in common with 30/35 so the sooner they are removed the better for the servicability of their air force.
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    Post  LMFS Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:47 am

    Only one regiment of them (excluding SM3) in VKS if I am not wrong, the newly ordered Su-35s will replace them.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:21 am

    They are upgrading their Su-30s to Su-35 level... the main benefit of which would be to allow the upgraded Su-30 to use its superior and powerful radar and extra guy in the back seat to direct other aircraft in a flight of smaller lighter cheaper planes who mainly operate radar silent.

    That would work with Su-27s with minor upgrades so they can use the latest weapons and it would work with MiG-35s.

    Most of those aircraft don't need to be Su-57s because their general roles will be shooting down cruise missiles and intercepting foreign aircraft approaching Russian air space etc etc...

    It would make sense to replace all the old model Su-27s with MiG-35s because they are smaller and lighter and cheaper to operate, yet working with an Su-30 using its radar and IRST as well as their own radars operated passively they get all the advantages of the bigger aircraft at lower operational costs.
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    Post  medo Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:40 am

    Russia still use Su-27P fighters. They are good enough to intercept NATO spy planes and bombers. No need for additional modernizations. They have two regiments of Su-27SM and one regiment of Su-27SM3. Old Su-27 will be replaced by Su-35 and Su-57. Question is, if Russia will sell retired Su-27 fighters. In that case they could modernize them to SM3 level or at least with SVP-24-33 like Su-33 for the needs of customer. Similarly as they do with retired MiG-29 jets, which they sell and donate to Serbia, Syria, Mongolia and Libya? and some were modernized to SM level. Mongolia could be a good customer for retired Su-27 jets as Mongolia is a big country to cover it. Syria could be another customer, specially if UAE pay for them and they could take modernized to SM or SM3 level. Assad already inspect Su-27SM3 in Hmeimim and they were used there.
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    Post  Isos Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:44 am

    Iran could buy them with no modernization to boost its fleet. Su30SM would need years to be build and handed over and then the pilots will already be trained on sukhoi.

    Su-27 are all ready and could be just cleaned a little bit.

    48 of them for 100 million dollars would be a nice contract. They are at the end of their life.
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    Post  medo Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:36 am

    Isos wrote:Iran could buy them with no modernization to boost its fleet. Su30SM would need years to be build and handed over and then the pilots will already be trained on sukhoi.

    Su-27 are all ready and could be just cleaned a little bit.

    48 of them for 100 million dollars would be a nice contract. They are at the end of their life.

    Iran is interested in new build planes, not in used ones. They could take few Su-27UB for conversion of pilots to fly Flankers and this is it. They repair and upgrade enough F-14 jets, that they could wait to get new Su-30.
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    Post  Isos Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:57 am

    They have a really small airforce for their huge territory. They have around 40 in service and who knows in what condition.

    The rest (mirage f1, mig-29, f-4, f-5) are useless and in poor conditions.

    New jets will need quite some time to be delivered and since US won't take off the sanctions their economy won't allow big purshases.

    48 su27 maintained by Russia would increase numbers and allow to cover all the territory.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:14 pm

    The old Su-27s include UB two seaters which have full radar... they just have a little less fuel and an extra seat...

    And Iran could pay in oil.... everyone they sell to gets sanctions from the US but Russia is already under sanctions so why would they care...

    Obviously they wouldn't pay top dollar for the Iranian oil... Iran probably can't use dollars anyway, they could use the money to rearm and make any potential attack by the US or Israel or HATO as painful as possible...

    Russia can replace the Su-27s with MiG-35s which wont be cheap to buy but should be cheaper to operate together with upgraded Su-30s directing them...
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    Post  franco Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:51 pm

    mnztr wrote:Not heard much about the SU-27 recently. The last major upgrade was around 2004. Is there any plan to upgrade them again in parallel with the SU-30 MK2? I assume Russia still has a pretty huge fleet of them.

    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27P's
    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27SM's
    - 2 squadrons of the Su-27SM3's
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    Post  Isos Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:05 pm

    franco wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Not heard much about the SU-27 recently. The last major upgrade was around 2004. Is there any plan to upgrade them again in parallel with the SU-30 MK2? I assume Russia still has a pretty huge fleet of them.

    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27P's
    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27SM's
    - 2 squadrons of the Su-27SM3's

    How many planes each squadron ?
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:15 pm

    Isos wrote:They have a really small airforce for their huge territory. They have around 40 in service and who knows in what condition.

    The rest (mirage f1, mig-29, f-4, f-5) are useless and in poor conditions.

    New jets will need quite some time to be delivered and since US won't take off the sanctions their economy won't allow big purshases.

    48 su27 maintained by Russia would increase numbers and allow to cover all the territory.


    Well, some equipment will need to be replaced anyway (like some non exportable parts, e.g. Identification friend or foe, etc). Some could also benefit of small modernisation packages, like the one offered by the Baranovichi plant, as long as bielorussia does not create issues

    https://558arp.by/eng/products-and-services-eng/services-eng/modernization-aviation-materiel-eng/su-27-30-aircraft-eng
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    Post  franco Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:29 pm

    Isos wrote:
    franco wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Not heard much about the SU-27 recently. The last major upgrade was around 2004. Is there any plan to upgrade them again in parallel with the SU-30 MK2? I assume Russia still has a pretty huge fleet of them.

    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27P's
    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27SM's
    - 2 squadrons of the Su-27SM3's

    How many planes each squadron ?

    A squadron is normally 12 planes but 1 squadron per regiment normally will also include an additional 4 2-seaters. The 20 Su-30M2's are filling most of this role presently. Plus regiments of older aircraft will usually include a few spare aircraft due to higher maintenance down time.

    The SM's and SM3's were upgrades with no plans to do more. I suspect the -27P's will be retired when the latest orders for Su-35S and -30SM2's are completed.
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    Post  medo Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:36 pm

    franco wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Not heard much about the SU-27 recently. The last major upgrade was around 2004. Is there any plan to upgrade them again in parallel with the SU-30 MK2? I assume Russia still has a pretty huge fleet of them.

    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27P's
    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27SM's
    - 2 squadrons of the Su-27SM3's

    There were 4 squadrons of Su-27SM (48 jets in 2 Far East regiments) + 5 for Lipetsk. 2 Su-27SM crashed. What happened to 1 squadron?
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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:18 pm

    franco wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Not heard much about the SU-27 recently. The last major upgrade was around 2004. Is there any plan to upgrade them again in parallel with the SU-30 MK2? I assume Russia still has a pretty huge fleet of them.

    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27P's
    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27SM's
    - 2 squadrons of the Su-27SM3's

    franco can you give us the numbers of all Su-27s by version? thanks
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    Post  franco Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:33 pm

    medo wrote:
    franco wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Not heard much about the SU-27 recently. The last major upgrade was around 2004. Is there any plan to upgrade them again in parallel with the SU-30 MK2? I assume Russia still has a pretty huge fleet of them.

    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27P's
    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27SM's
    - 2 squadrons of the Su-27SM3's

    There were 4 squadrons of Su-27SM (48 jets in 2 Far East regiments) + 5 for Lipetsk. 2 Su-27SM crashed. What happened to 1 squadron?

    They were moved west. One squadron still in Far East, one in Northwest and one in Crimea. There are from various sources 43-46 aircraft still operational with most of the 3 squadrons actually having a couple of spares.

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    Post  franco Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:42 pm

    George1 wrote:
    franco wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Not heard much about the SU-27 recently. The last major upgrade was around 2004. Is there any plan to upgrade them again in parallel with the SU-30 MK2? I assume Russia still has a pretty huge fleet of them.

    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27P's
    - 3 squadrons of the Su-27SM's
    - 2 squadrons of the Su-27SM3's

    franco can you give us the numbers of all Su-27s by version? thanks


    That's a job for our Italian friend, the airplane tracker Very Happy

    My take of those still operational would be:

    - 43-46 -27SM's
    - 22-26 -27SM3's
    - 1 -27UBM
    - 60-80 -27P/S/UB's

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    Post  marcellogo Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:05 pm

    franco wrote:
    George1 wrote:


    That's a job for our Italian friend, the airplane tracker Very Happy

    My take of those still operational would be:

    - 43-46 -27SM's
    - 22-26 -27SM3's
    - 1 -27UBM
    - 60-80 -27P/S/UB's

    I earnestly think the proportions are a little different:
    For what I remember SM3 are both newly built ones than updated SM, those where acquired from 2004 i.e. are almost contemporary to F-22, so I'll think that the sum of the two versions would amount to more than 30.

    Let's add also the 20 Su-30mk2 and the 5 upgraded Su-30 to the total number available.

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