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    Post  jhelb on Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:03 pm

    Recently released report suggests People’s Liberation Army Air Force's Su-27s lost a majority of engagements in a November 2015 joint exercise with the 701 Fighter Squadron of the Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF)

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2020-02-08/plaaf-senior-pilot-reveals-poor-performance-joint-exercise-rtaf
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    Post  Isos on Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:55 pm

    jhelb wrote:Recently released report suggests People’s Liberation Army Air Force's Su-27s lost a majority of engagements in a November 2015 joint exercise with the 701 Fighter Squadron of the Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF)

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2020-02-08/plaaf-senior-pilot-reveals-poor-performance-joint-exercise-rtaf

    It's pretty good for such an old aircraft. It had total superirity in dogfight and had decent result in BVR.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:30 pm

    Isos wrote:
    jhelb wrote:Recently released report suggests People’s Liberation Army Air Force's Su-27s lost a majority of engagements in a November 2015 joint exercise with the 701 Fighter Squadron of the Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF)

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2020-02-08/plaaf-senior-pilot-reveals-poor-performance-joint-exercise-rtaf

    It's pretty good for such an old aircraft. It had total superirity in dogfight and had decent result in BVR.

    Yeah. Face it against a Su-35 and story will change as Su-35 has reduced RCA greatly compared to legacy Su-27 and a far more powerful radar.

    I like how they don't mention J-10 results. Chances, not so fair.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:53 pm


    Yeah. Face it against a Su-35 and story will change as Su-35 has reduced RCA greatly compared to legacy Su-27 and a far more powerful radar.

    I like how they don't mention J-10 results. Chances, not so fair.

    The problem was the shorter range r-77. In terms of radar su-27 detected the grippen at 120km so if it had the rvv sd with 120km range it would have had better results. And it is a proof that all those fanboys made numbers about RCS and detection ranges are total bulshit. According to them gripen, rafale, typhoon have less than 1m2 RCS and should be detected by a su27 at ranges around 50km ....

    Reducing rcs would be good for ECM against amraam but it would still be detected well before missile's max range. They also didn't test ECM.

    IMO russian will read this story seriously and invest in r-77M for its su-30/35.
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    Post  jhelb on Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:55 am

    Isos wrote:IMO russian will read this story seriously and invest in r-77M for its su-30/35.

    Same time lat year Hindus had claimed that their Mig 21s armed with R 77 shot down a Pakistani F-16. Too bad they couldn't provide any evidence to back up their claims. Else it would have proved how effective R 77s are.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:18 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Isos wrote:IMO russian will read this story seriously and invest in r-77M for its su-30/35.

    Same time lat year Hindus had claimed that their Mig 21s armed with R 77 shot down a Pakistani F-16. Too bad they couldn't provide any evidence to back up their claims. Else it would have proved how effective R 77s are.

    They said it was a r73.

    That doesnt mean the r77 sucks and can't be used. It only means most of the time the amraam equiped jet will launch the missiles first and that's an advantage. Russian btw use the longer range 77-1 and not the basic 77.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:14 pm

    Spy vs spy as China eyes US-Oz sea defense moves
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:16 am

    Just based on the title... that is pot calling the kettle black... China might spy on US Australian exercises, but the Americans spy on everyone all the time...

    US Aussie exercises are not intended for practise against anyone but China.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:36 am

    Would u be happy or not if Australia & perhaps NZ got colonized by Chinese & other Asians in ur lifetime? IMO it will happen eventually.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 27, 2020 5:52 am

    Would u be happy or not if Australia & perhaps NZ got colonized by Chinese & other Asians in ur lifetime? IMO it will happen eventually.

    What do you mean by colonised?

    I have plenty of ethnically Chinese and Asian friends who are New Zealanders... they have strong ties to China, but most white New Zealanders have strong ties to other countries too... most non whites have strong ties to other countries too... there is a large population of pacific islanders in Auckland who don't support the all blacks when we play Samoa or Fiji... that is fine... I have no problem with that.

    The fact that you think China is going to come down and claim ownership of NZ and Australia the way the British did and the French tried to and the Americans are trying to.

    It is amusing to see our local press really upset about China buying local land for farms, but little to no mention of rich Americans building bunkers here in case WWIII comes or the US collapses...

    Just racist.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed May 27, 2020 6:27 am

    What do you mean by colonised?
    if they settle there in large #s & multiply, demographics will change in their favour & these island nations will become just like the SE Asia with large ethnic Chinese population.
    The fact that you think China is going to come down and claim ownership of NZ and Australia..
    Mexico doesn't officially claim ownership of its former states in the SW US while Ms of Hispanics live there. Not all of those Mexican Americans r loyal to Mexico- in fact, they been here for generations & r as dedicated to this country as any other group, many of them r military veterans, on active duty, also in the Customs/Border Patrol, police force & as firefighters. B. Richardson, a Latino, was New Mexico's Governor. Presidential candidates must attract their votes before hoping to win their nomination & election.
    But with a large Chinese diaspora in any country, it'll become impossible to side with China's enemies.
    ..rich Americans building bunkers here in case WWIII comes or the US collapses...
    I'm surprised that rich Chinese & Japanese don't build bunkers there.
    IMO, S. America may be a better place to avoid & seat out WWIII. During WWII, Japanese bombed Darwin & Germans operated U-boats in the Tasman Sea.
    Australia? Canberra is now facing a stark choice since the PRC has thrown down the gauntlet. The Chinese ambassador there is threatening economic pain, and the editor of state-owned Global Times recently described Australia as gum stuck to China’s shoe.
    Once upon a time such language would have meant a fist on the snout. And plenty of Australians (including Australians of the political class) would like to oblige. But there are also plenty of Australian businessmen, as well as current and former senior government officials, who will grovel if there is money and mineral exports involved.
    One suspects the Australians will stand firm on security and sovereignty. But alone, Australia isn’t enough to forestall PRC domination of the region. New Zealand? It faces the same pressure as Australia, but is more likely to fold – and it’s a pretty small island nation anyway.

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/last-chance-for-us-to-counter-chinas-rise/?mc_cid=ea178eb089&mc_eid=5455568640


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