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    Post  jhelb Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:56 pm

    Isos wrote:If india had 20 deads you can expect deads on the other side too.
    Maybe the Indians have also lost more than 20 soldiers. They are not disclosing it.
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    Post  Sujoy Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:02 pm

    Isos wrote:Yeah I know. I was pointing out why the propaganda move (sending the martial art guy there) was made. ==> because they fought with hands and stupid media are probably quoting some stupid retired soldier talking about how their martial arts are better than the other's....

    You know, total stupidity.
    Chinese state media is also saying the same thing. That PLA is sending martial artists to Ladakh

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3090840/china-recruits-mma-fighters-tibet-border-militia
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:03 am

    Wasn't it Enter the Dragon, where Bruce Lee was going to an island to fight some bad guys and he asked where the guns were.... experts know better than anyone else that you can spend decades learning to fight and becoming a master at a variety of fighting skills, but any idiot can be handed a shot gun loaded with buckshot and drop you from 20m away and there is not much you can do about it...

    The point is that in this case the enemies are not idiots on either side... being trained in hand to hand fighting gives you confidence, but even a pistol or a knife makes much more sense.

    I saw a documentary the other day that was actually quite good where they got trained fighters (trained with old weapons) to fight it out with weapons made safe but with referees checking for hits and scores and potential injuries. The spear was vastly superior to any kind of sword simply because you could reach and stab him and with your sword... even a long sword you can't reach and stab him... you can only deal with his spear...

    Most RPG gamers would be crushed to learn this but it is true.

    Equally 10,000 trained ninjas would not defeat 500 soldiers with assault rifles in the mountains... most of the time there is no way to sneak up on positions... and falls and avalanches and the cold are just as dangerous as bullets and hands and feet.

    In fact at altitude the real danger is actually feet or should I say metres... pulling a trigger is much easier that climbing around and physically fighting someone in such conditions.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:54 am

    They want to keep it gun-free area so it doesn't get out of control & escalate.
    Although the Chinese Kung Fu was influenced by the Indian monk Da Mo, the 1st Chan Buddhism patriarch, at the Shaolin temple, it is superior to the Indian martial arts. The PLA SOFs use simplified, easier to learn style created by combining the best techniques to neutralise & dispatch an enemy on the battlefield.


    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2020/07/11/13148959.shtml


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:08 pm

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/07/17/china-sends-flanker-fighter-jets-to-south-china-sea-amid-tensions/#3c2f7e302f73

    They may deploy more fighters if need be-this may be an advance party.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:13 am

    Iran could become a protectorate of China
    https://www.rosbalt.ru/world/2020/07/22/1854891.html
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:14 am

    Pakistan and China have entered a three-year deal to expand potential bio-warfare capabilities

    Wuhan Institute of Virology has signed the covert deal with Pakistan military’s Defense Science & Technology Organization (DESTO), to collaborate research in “emerging infectious diseases” and advance studies on the biological control of transmitted diseases.

    https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/xdx17f6auh0tew0g57ubqrzxkdeux9
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:21 am

    Very clever: https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/beijing-pushing-new-delhi-toward-a-hard-choice/?mc_cid=4f9545de82&mc_eid=5455568640
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:58 pm

    Chinese amphibious armoured personnel carrier. Unique feature - allows soldiers to jump off before it starts to sink.


    Chinese amphibious armoured personnel carrier
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    Post  Hole Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:51 pm

    A few weeks ago the american version sunk with 8 or 9 dead soldiers as a result.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:53 am

    Unfortunate... but it happens.

    That was flat water... they obviously didn't have the trim vane set properly or perhaps the bilge pumps were not doing their job and got swamped... but everyone sitting on top in life jackets is standard procedure because this happens...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:57 am

    Axis Tehran - Moscow - Beijing challenged the unipolar world

    https://www.juancole.com/2020/08/understanding-strategic-partnership.html

    Iran, Pakistan to stage joint naval drills in Strait of Hormuz  http://www.xinhuanet.com//english/2017-03/16/c_136132154.htm


    Now, Iranian & Pakistani navies will complement each other if need be.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:15 am

    By controlling the southern flank of the waters near Taiwan, China is preparing for an encirclement that would, as its most important components, not be a potentially disastrous Normandy-style invasion. Any invasion attempt would include military pressure as well as cyberattacks aimed at paralyzing Taiwan’s crucial infrastructure.
    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/us-doubles-down-on-taiwan-ties-to-poke-china/?mc_cid=ad9759c8ad&mc_eid=5455568640

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/taiwan-to-boost-invasion-defenses-with-us-weapons/

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/china-ups-ante-as-us-support-bolsters-taiwan/?mc_cid=d11a42f666&mc_eid=5455568640

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/us-china-sea-tensions-hot-and-getting-hotter/?mc_cid=a94ad20b7a&mc_eid=5455568640

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/china-accused-of-spying-on-australia-naval-build-up/?mc_cid=8ac6cc75a3&mc_eid=5455568640

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/china-flexes-at-us-in-four-seas-show-of-force/?mc_cid=4fcea32b9e&mc_eid=5455568640

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/why-there-wont-be-a-us-china-war/?mc_cid=1fffd75694&mc_eid=5455568640

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/the-eurasian-century-has-already-begun/?mc_cid=4fcea32b9e&mc_eid=5455568640

    https://www.juancole.com/2020/08/bruited-investment-beijing.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/world/asia/missiles-south-china-sea.html

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/us-china-blast-and-bluster-towards-a-sea-clash/?mc_cid=d5267194a3&mc_eid=5455568640


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:36 am

    Taiwan may already have nukes ready: https://nvo.ng.ru/gpolit/2020-08-07/8_1103_coldwar.html?print=Y
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:25 pm

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:03 am

    The clip creators claim to speak from the Chinese POV. The notion that China wants to dominate the World is incorrect. If she did, Kublai Khan troops would have reached & occupied W. Europe even before the Polo brothers reached him; the Ming fleet of giant junks would've stopped the Portuguese from reaching E. Africa & India, & the Americas, Australia & NZ would've been colonized by her. Rather, she wants to deny any single nation or group of nations such domination & thus secure her own well being. 
    After all, China was plundered by the West, Russia & Japan since the Opium Wars & until 1949. Imported low wage Chinese labor supported the same countries' economies, while the Christian influenced Taiping Rebellion killed 20–30M people.
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    Post  Begome Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:07 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The clip creators claim to speak from the Chinese POV. The notion that China wants to dominate the World is incorrect. If she did, Kublai Khan troops would have reached & occupied W. Europe even before the Polo brothers reached him; the Ming fleet of giant junks would've stopped the Portuguese from reaching E. Africa & India, & the Americas, Australia & NZ would've been colonized by her. Rather, she wants to deny any single nation or group of nations such domination & thus secure her own well being. 
    After all, China was plundered by the West, Russia & Japan since the Opium Wars & until 1949. Imported low wage Chinese labor supported the same countries' economies, while the Christian influenced Taiping Rebellion killed 20–30M people.

    From the Wiki: "In 1843, after carefully reading a pamphlet he had received years before from a Protestant Christian missionary, Hong declared that he now understood that his vision meant that he was the younger brother of Jesus and that he had been sent to rid China of the "devils", including the corrupt Qing government and Confucian teachings."
    This guy has reached levels of heresy that most Protestants can only dream of...I don't think it's fair to call the rebellion "Christian influenced", especially since Christianity (i.e. Orthodox Christianity) is pretty much by definition anti-revolutionary and thus doesn't promote any kind of rebellion.

    I agree about China taking a more subtle approach, though, and being probably somewhat more oriented toward a multi-polar world, like Russia, rather than striving for global hegemony. If they do take Taiwan, I hope the brilliant minds of TSMC don't run away; Russia needs their chips (for now)!
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:17 am

    From the Wiki: "In 1843, after carefully reading a pamphlet he had received years before from a Protestant Christian missionary,.." 
    I don't think it's fair to call the rebellion "Christian influenced", especially since Christianity (i.e. Orthodox Christianity) is pretty much by definition anti-revolutionary and thus doesn't promote any kind of rebellion.
    If he hadn't read it, he wouldn't be inspired by it to make trouble. 
    Protestantism was not above a rebellion- recall decades of religious wars in Europe. 
    In our time there's the Lord's Army in Africa.
    In fact, Japan avoided being colonized thanks to the timely expulsion of Christian missionaries & killing of local converts.
    In China, the Boxer Rebellion came to late.
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    Post  Begome Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:44 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:If he hadn't read it, he wouldn't be inspired by it to make trouble. 
    Protestantism was not above a rebellion- recall decades of religious wars in Europe. 
    In our time there's the Lord's Resistance Army in Africa.
    In fact, Japan avoided being colonized thanks to the timely expulsion of Christian missionaries & killing of local converts.
    In China, the Boxer Rebellion came to late.

    This is why I explicitly said that Christianity is Orthodox Christianity...any weirdo can call himself Christian and there were all sorts of "Christian" sects including ones that had "sex liturgies" and ate the aborted babies of female parishioners...Protestantism isn't real Christianity and this rebellion leader went way above even the typical Protestant level of craziness.

    I agree that "Protestantism is not above rebellion", though: it basically is rebellion and caused not just religious wars but also all sorts of other murderous and theocratic movements, like the Anabaptists (they're pretty peaceful these days, but that's certainly not how they started out). This "Lord's Resistance Army" also isn't Orthodox and it seems to mostly be a personality cult around their leader, as sects and cults often are.
    With respect to Japan: there were Orthodox missionaries there as well as Western missionaries; you can find the writings of some of the Orthodox fathers there who, even in a time when Japan was at war with Russia (the father's country of origin) told the Japanese to pray for Japanese victory even though they themselves would pray for Russian victory (being Russian) and openly saying that this is the way...to stick by your nation.

    So I would simply suggest not lumping in crazy cults and heretics and their anti-Christian movements with Christianity.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:05 am

    Within Christian Catholicism & Orthodoxy itself, there r different branches & sects:
     Eastern Catholic  List of Catholic orders and congregations
     Eastern Orthodox Church and Oriental Orthodox Churches

    Just like in the Koran, the Bible gives different things to different people.
    There were also Nestorian (Assyrian) Christians & Jews in China, but most of them were gone before the 1st Opium War. 
    Btw, Chingis Khan, upon learning the Christian theology of "1 God in Heaven", declared that there should be 1 empire on Earth- i.e. his Mongolian Empire that later united China under his grandson Kublai.
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    Post  Begome Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:33 am

    Only the Eastern Orthodox Church is Orthodox because only it has the Orthodox theology that explains our worldview.

    Eastern Catholics are pretty close to our theology but still deviate in a number of important ways, such as an undue (and Nestorian) focus on the "sacred heart" (which actually comes from Frankish pagan heart worship) and the acceptance of the Pope as "infallible supreme ruler of the universe", which is an entirely un-Christian idea (but no surprise that such an idea comes out of the West); they are also responsible for a number of massacres against Orthodox Christians in the East and are mostly a geopolitical tool of the Papacy. So, while they are clearly not Orthodox Christians, they show that the Roman Catholic Church isn't really a united Church, unlike their claims and unlike our Church, because they have all sorts of groups within it that believe wildly different things. In the Orthodox Church, whether you are in the East or in the West or anywhere else (and this, of course, includes Western Rite Eastern Orthodox) you must believe in our theology or you are not Orthodox by definition.
    The Oriental "Orthodox" also deviate greatly from our theology...it's not just about Chalcedon, as they have an entirely different Metaphysics from us, which becomes clear when they debate actual Orthodox people (see e.g. youtube.com/watch?v=4n-myvYQO8M). So you see, it is important to know what is the actual belief of a person when putting them in some category...if they are not Orthodox in their belief, like the Apostles and Church Fathers were, then they are not really / fully Christian (and most Roman Catholics today don't even know about the Church Fathers, other than, perhaps, St. Augustine); additionally, even a properly Orthodox person is not automatically a Saint and thus still constantly falls into Sin (and even Saints can sin, of course), so it's not valid, either, to look at any actions of any Orthodox people and call that something that is supported by Christianity. If you want to know what actions are actually supported by Christianity you need to read the Bible in the context of (i.e. with the commentary of) the Church Fathers, because the Bible is a very large collection of very old Books in languages (regarding the original text) that almost no one can understand any more today, so the proper interpretation is not always trivial.

    If by your comment about the Bible giving different things to different people you mean the Old Testament notion of the "Chosen People" (Israelites) then this is simply the early portion of God's working in the world. He chose the Israelites to establish His temple and carry His Commandments out into the world. When they started to become self-obsessed, however, and didn't accept the prophesied Messiah, who is His Son, He rejected them and entered into a new covenant with humanity (the New Testament), such that now His Church (the Orthodox Church) is the New Israel; this is why Christianity, unlike Judaism or Islam, is actually universalistic and doesn't view some people as inherently better than others. But while the Old Testament may seem much more "harsh" on the surface, if you pay attention, you can still find the teachings of the New Testament present in it, e.g. the 10 Commandments (Exodus 20) or "Love your neighbour as yourself" and the idea of not regarding people's worth differently based on social status (Leviticus 19:15-18) etc.

    With respect to the Chingis Khan thing...I don't see how that has to do with Christianity; Islam and Judaism also believe in One God and establishing "one empire under the sun" (e.g. a world government) is actually what the Bible prophesies the Antichrist will do.

    In an attempt to salvage the derailing of the thread, I certainly agree that numerous states and organizations (and especially the West) have attempted to use some perverted, false notion of Christianity for geopolitical purposes and this certainly happened in China, as well. But in Orthodoxy we have this idea of "synphonia", a balance / harmony, which applies also to the relationship between the Church and the State; so proper Orthodox Bishops will not allow the Church to be misused as a tool for geopolitical ambitions; if you are interested, you can check out the official Russian Orthodox Church's position on such issues at mospat.ru/en/documents/social-concepts/

    I think China could greatly benefit from a Christianization and the fact that, despite the persecution, so many people are participating in (even properly Orthodox) liturgies there shows that these people hunger for the Truth. At the same time, neither Russia nor any other Orthodox country will forcibly impose Christianity on them and this is not how Christianity works anyway; if there is a revolutionary element to Christianity then it is the revolution in one's heart, but not a rebellion or state coup.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:16 pm

    With respect to the Chingis Khan thing...I don't see how that has to do with Christianity; Islam and Judaism also believe in One God..
    regardless of which teaching he learned 1st, they r all monotheistic, & while fighting Muslims he used it to justify his ideology- similar to the 19th century Manifest Destiny in the USA.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmEScIUcvz0


    Since the Kievan Rus baptism in 988, the Russian Orthodox Church always served the state. in the USSR & now Russia, it was/is under the KGB/FSB control. 

    ..China could greatly benefit from a Christianization and the fact that, despite the persecution, so many people are participating in (even properly Orthodox) liturgies there shows that these people hunger for the Truth. 
    to the Orientals, there's more than 1 truth- Christianity is just 1 more teaching that some of them find helpful, while they & don't discard/integrate elements of it with Confucianist, Buddhist, Taoist & animist beliefs & practices. The same person will practice Confucianism in his daily life, Buddhism at a funeral, & Taoism when learning/practicing self healing/visual/martial arts & visiting a TCM doctor. 
    Btw, the Falun Gong  combined elements Buddhism & Taoism; it's the latest example of their mutual influences on each other, as the Chan (Zen) Buddhism itself is a product of Indian Buddhism combined with Taoism, which under its influence established its own formal church structure with big temples & monasteries. 
    The Chinese rulers were always afraid of religious sects getting out of control; they know how the West used Christianity to subjugate, exploit & colonize non-Europeans, & that's why they don't let Christian churches/NGOs to be infiltrated by outside intel services.
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    Post  Begome Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:35 pm

    regardless of which teaching he learned 1st, they r all monotheistic, & while fighting Muslims he used it to justify his ideology- similar to the 19th century Manifest Destiny in the USA.
    My point is that just because someone claims to be Christian or claims to be inspired by what he thinks Christianity is doesn't mean that actual Christianity is now responsible for his actions...also, "monotheistic" is a term that can mean different things; from our view most Roman Catholics are actually polytheists and Muslims are pantheists with a rather unclear status of "monotheism" (but this only becomes apparent when deep diving into the theology).
    The USA was never Orthodox.

    Since the Kievan Rus baptism in 988, the Russian Orthodox Church always served the state. in the USSR & now Russia, it was/is under the KGB/FSB control.
    There is big difference between coexistence in harmony and subservience. The ROC has supported the state when it was doing things it approved of and seeing how the Tsarist state was mostly leading the country in a very Orthodox manner, there was no reason to form any kind of "opposition"; this changed with the October Revolution, however, and the ROC certainly didn't bow down and support the communists, which is why they killed and tortured more than 50,000 priests, raped nuns and destroyed almost all monasteries and most Church buildings. It is no coincidence that so many people fled Russia after the revolution that they were able to found an entire new local Church (ROCOR - the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia) that then initiated a schism with the ROC once the few remaining ROC bishops in communist Russia started conceding to the communists' demands with the public declaration of then-Metropolitan Sergius in 1927, who, in his faithlessness, though to be fair under great hardship, capitulated to the atheists and started the process of allowing the ROC to be undermined by KGB agents and unbelievers. This is why it took more than 15 years after the fall of the Soviet Union for ROCOR to reunite with ROC...ROCOR was very insistent that any remnant of so-called Sergianism is purged. The fact that even today only a little more than 5% of the Russian population can simultaneously fit into ROC parish churches, despite the fact that Russia has been building on average 3 churches per day in the last 15 years and was a very Christian country before the revolution with a population of about 90 million of which most could fit into a church on Sunday and important holidays, shows the massive destruction that was wreaked, so the notion that the ROC was only ever a tool of the government is absurd, but unfortunately quite popular in the West, which, IMO, is simply a projection of what they know of "their own Church", which certainly does serve Western elites no matter the ideology and has for a long time (you can find images of Protestant ministers doing the Hitler salute in Nazi Germany and it's abundantly clear that today both most Protestant organizations as well as the RC Pope clearly push Western Liberalism).

    Back to China: yes, some elements of e.g. Hinduism are perennialist, but typically this is relatively superficial and simply meant to suck people into the religion (it is being propagated very intensely and with some success in the USA, especially), but it definitely has it's very own theology and metaphysics that merely uses perennialist notions as a tool. "True perennialism" is more of a modern invention and makes no sense whatsoever...it's just relativism, which is always self-contradictory; mixing and matching elements from different religions together only makes sense if you don't actually believe in any of them, because they all contradict one another; it is the modern, consumerist way to look at religion as just another product to incorporate into one's secular, godless lifestyle that has very different basic assumptions philosophically than any of those religions and therefore simply serves as yet another temporary distraction from the latent suspicion that life is meaningless. People have to be constantly and intensely indoctrinated not to notice this, which is what modern education systems and media do (the "secular prophets" like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye "the Science Guy" even explicitly tell you that you shouldn't think about philosophy, because their own philosophical grounding is absolutely laughable and if people did start thinking about this stuff they might start to notice that).
    Some people, though, will notice and then they will tell others and search together for an alternative, which is where both ideologies and religions can enter to "fill the void"...only one can actually be true, however, and Orthodox Christianity makes a very compelling case for itself, which is why it's growing much better than the other "denominations", and not just in the East. I think some concerns on the side of China with respect to outside influence from NGOs and religious organizations is legitimate but when it comes to Orthodox Christianity, which very decentralized to begin with, the disagreement is much more fundamental and to be found on the level of world view.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:40 pm

    The USA was never Orthodox.
    true, but its Westward expansion "from sea to shining sea" was justified in the name of progress & anti-paganism/animism/catholicism, as those lifeways/religions were practiced by the Natives & Mexicans that stood in the way. 

    ..from our view most Roman Catholics are actually polytheists..
    Slavic-paganism-make-its-way-to-the-practice-of-Orthodox-Christianity-in-RussiaEastern Orthodoxy: Mirror Image of Pagan Romanism

    Pagan symbols adopted by Christianity  http://oaks.nvg.org/ap3.html

    ..the notion that the ROC was only ever a tool of the government is absurd,..
    Peter the Great changed the ROC rights, installed a new Patriarch, & sent the Old Believers to hiding in Siberia & later abroad. Patriarchs Alexis & now Kirill was/is working hand in glove with KGB/FSB & Putin.

    ..Orthodox Christianity makes a very compelling case for itself, which is why it's growing much better than the other "denominations", and not just in the East.
    most Chinese Christians r Protestants, Baptists or Catholics, not Orthodox- I doubt there will be a huge following of Orthodoxy there. Like in India, there'll be more BuddhistsMuslims there than all the Christians combined. Official statistics don’t exist, but the Pew Research Center, which surveys religious belief worldwide, estimates some 245 million Buddhists in China, around 18% of the total national population. Another 21% of Chinese adhere to folk religions that often incorporate Buddhist beliefs, according to Pew. Buddhism Is Growing in China, But Remains in Legal Limbo ...

    [url=https://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/buddhism.htm#:~:text=Buddhism is China's oldest foreign,involved reaching Enlightenment through meditation.]Chinese Buddhism Facts and History[/url]

    Indeed, the Chinese venerate the Dragon (big flying snake) since according to their believes it controls rains essential to rice cultivation, while for the Christianity it represents evil that gave an apple to Eve & fought the righteous saintly heroes. 
    Don't expect most of them to convert/accept the E. Orthodoxy which is likely inspired the Egyptian theology:  https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2017/04/11/How-Egypt-was-Christian-before-the-birth-of-Christ#:~:text=11%20April%202017-,The%20documented%20history%20of%20Egypt%20dates%20back%20to%20the%20age,years%20of%20its%20written%20history.&text=In%20fact%2C%20Egypt%20has%20succeeded,many%20of%20its%20ancient%20beliefs.

    Even in Russian built Harbin, the Saint Sophia Cathedral is now a museum.



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    true, but its Westward expansion "from sea to shining sea" was justified in the name of progress & anti-paganism/animism/catholicism, as those lifeways/religions were practiced by the Natives & Mexicans that stood in the way.
    ...and it has nothing to do with Christianity; none of these people were Orthodox and it was their governments that pursued the expansion; if some RCs sanctioned it that would not surprise me but, again, has nothing to do with Orthodoxy.

    Responding to your links: Secular, Protestant and RC Western propaganda against Orthodoxy is more than 900 years old (in case of the latter) and doesn't impress any Orthodox Christian anymore. While Christianity (again, that's Orthodoxy, not some heretical sect or cult) does occasionally adapt itself to the local culture in its rites (see, e.g. Western Rite today and even in the local Churches in the East there are small differences that have to do with the history and traditions of those places and peoples) and obviously took a lot of practices from the Jews (I already talked about the Israelites in a previous post) to make it easier for the local population to accept it, but, of course, only in a Holy way (i.e. "baptizing" the tradition or rite), the theology is not altered, unlike in Western Christianity where you don't even know that you used to be Orthodox a long time ago anymore, because you keep changing your theologies (yes, plural; there is no unified Protestant or RC theology) as you please...what do you actually believe in? We know what we believe.
    Peter the Great changed the ROC rights, installed a new Patriarch, & sent the Old Believers to hiding in Siberia & later abroad.
    No one claimed that the relationship between the Church and the State was always perfect, but it was certainly far more balanced than in the West; after all, we live in a fallen world and not in paradise. The naming of a patriarch by the ruler is nothing new and goes back to the Byzantine Empire; that doesn't mean that the one named has to accept or is the ruler's slave and there are many cases where patriarchs went against the ruler if they thought the ruler was acting against God, even if it meant his imprisonment and torture. The patriarch is also not some form of Western-style pope but merely "first among equals" and in Orthodoxy in general we place far more weight on the laity, which ultimately preserves the faith even against heretical bishops and patriarchs and faithless rulers.
    Old Believers are a group of dangerous sects with very variable beliefs (so here again we have the same problem: what do they actually believe?) who in their pride chose to rebel against the Church...they needed to be dealt with but not everything that happened to them was done in the right way. Today, even though they are almost completely gone and thus irrelevant, they are a darling of Western and liberal anti-Orthodox press and organizations and the myths surrounding their oppression grow ever more adventurous.
    Patriarchs Alexis & now Kirill was/is working hand in glove with KGB/FSB & Putin.
    Hmm...potential suspects for poisoning Navalny? Laughing  Rolling Eyes

    Regarding future development of religious groups in China: I agree that Orthodox parishes are small in numbers there right now and I admit that overall the Evangelicals are still better than we are at missionizing (to our shame) but the notoriously anti-Orthodox Pew research center and their oh-so-scientific "estimates" are like asking some old Gypsie lady to look into a crystal ball for you. Some people believe the Apocalypse is nigh and thus China will be turning Orthodox soon but personally I think it may well be 1k+ years away (really, I have no idea...people have been prophesying that "the End is nigh" for thousands of years). When I was talking about the growth of Orthodoxy I was primarily referring to Eastern Europe (incl. Russia) as "the East", the West (we are still small there, as well, but growing while, at least in Western Europe, RC and Prots are losing members) and Africa. There may also be a reuniting with Oriental Orthodox in the future (there were some talks) but they obviously have to fix their theology first.
    Indeed, the Chinese venerate the Dragon (big flying snake) since according to their believes it controls rains essential to rice cultivation, while for the Christianity it represents evil that gave an apple to Eve & fought the righteous saintly heroes.
    Don't expect most of them to convert/accept the E. Orthodoxy
    The Dragon has nothing to do with the "snake" in the Garden of Eden...the "snake" was a spiritual entity (the Devil), not an actual snake (hint: actual snakes can't talk).
    It's true that sometimes the Devil is symbolized as a snake or even a snake with wings (though in proper Icons it is always completely black, which is not normally the case with "Chinese Dragons") but even in Eastern Europe you have traditions that regard Dragons as being more "neutral" or even benevolent beings, such as in the traditions of Bulgaria or Serbia, both Orthodox countries.
    E. Orthodoxy which is based on earlier Egyptian theology
    It doesn't matter how much drivel these anti-Orthodox authors come up with...one of those links even talks about the "judeo-christian religion" Laughing why don't you go ask an Orthodox Jew what he thinks of the concept of Judeo-Christian Religion? This fantasy was invented by Protestants in the last century to destroy RC and Orthodoxy through Ecumenism. Just because there are similarities between religions doesn't mean that they're all the same; it does, however, point to a common origin, which is part of our narrative and world view.
    Even in Russian built Harbin, the Saint Sophia Cathedral is now a museum.
    No surprises there...the Chinese government doesn't like religion because it has a religion of its own to sell and free and independent people can be harder to control than mindless consumerist drones. In EO parishes in China there is a mandatory registration of all participants for every liturgy with full name etc. that has to be given to the government.

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