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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:09 pm

    A retired general.

    FYI, BBC is full of shit.

    Yes, they are sending martial artists to train their soldiers. But if they were at war with India, the fighting would have already started. Martial arts wont win in this conflict and they all know that. This is to prevent any further deaths if both sides decide to use hand to hand combat.

    Anyone with common sense would know.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:36 pm

    During the last incident they were fighting with hands. 20 indians deads and (unofficial) 40 chineses.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:42 pm

    Yes, but that isn't a war. That was a mob gang fight. Of course they would fight with hand to hands. And the deaths are attributed to soldiers falling off cliffs. Not from breaking necks like they are Steven Seagal.

    If a "war" ever broke out, they would be shooting each other and hand to hand becomes useless.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:11 pm

    Yeah I know. I was pointing out why the propaganda move (sending the martial art guy there) was made. ==> because they fought with hands and stupid media are probably quoting some stupid retired soldier talking about how their martial arts are better than the other's....

    You know, total stupidity.
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    Post  jhelb on Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:41 pm

    Isos wrote:During the last incident they were fighting with hands. 20 indians deads and (unofficial) 40 chineses.
    Not a single dead body of a PLA soldier was found. Those Indians made up those figures. China has not accepted that figure of 40 either.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:11 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Isos wrote:During the last incident they were fighting with hands. 20 indians deads and (unofficial) 40 chineses.
    Not a single dead body of a PLA soldier was found. Those Indians made up those figures. China has not accepted that figure of 40 either.

    Chinese are not reliable either.

    If india had 20 deads you can expect deads on the other side too.

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    Post  jhelb on Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:56 pm

    Isos wrote:If india had 20 deads you can expect deads on the other side too.
    Maybe the Indians have also lost more than 20 soldiers. They are not disclosing it.
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    Post  Sujoy on Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:02 pm

    Isos wrote:Yeah I know. I was pointing out why the propaganda move (sending the martial art guy there) was made. ==> because they fought with hands and stupid media are probably quoting some stupid retired soldier talking about how their martial arts are better than the other's....

    You know, total stupidity.
    Chinese state media is also saying the same thing. That PLA is sending martial artists to Ladakh

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3090840/china-recruits-mma-fighters-tibet-border-militia
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:03 am

    Wasn't it Enter the Dragon, where Bruce Lee was going to an island to fight some bad guys and he asked where the guns were.... experts know better than anyone else that you can spend decades learning to fight and becoming a master at a variety of fighting skills, but any idiot can be handed a shot gun loaded with buckshot and drop you from 20m away and there is not much you can do about it...

    The point is that in this case the enemies are not idiots on either side... being trained in hand to hand fighting gives you confidence, but even a pistol or a knife makes much more sense.

    I saw a documentary the other day that was actually quite good where they got trained fighters (trained with old weapons) to fight it out with weapons made safe but with referees checking for hits and scores and potential injuries. The spear was vastly superior to any kind of sword simply because you could reach and stab him and with your sword... even a long sword you can't reach and stab him... you can only deal with his spear...

    Most RPG gamers would be crushed to learn this but it is true.

    Equally 10,000 trained ninjas would not defeat 500 soldiers with assault rifles in the mountains... most of the time there is no way to sneak up on positions... and falls and avalanches and the cold are just as dangerous as bullets and hands and feet.

    In fact at altitude the real danger is actually feet or should I say metres... pulling a trigger is much easier that climbing around and physically fighting someone in such conditions.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:54 am

    They want to keep it gun-free area so it doesn't get out of control & escalate.
    Although the Chinese Kung Fu was influenced by the Indian monk Da Mo, the 1st Chan Buddhism patriarch, at the Shaolin temple, it is superior to the Indian martial arts. The PLA SOFs use simplified, easier to learn style created by combining the best techniques to neutralise & dispatch an enemy on the battlefield.


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