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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:53 pm

    GarryB wrote:Honestly the way the EU treats Russia I would say paying good money to get people to and from there faster is a waste of time and money and just another string they can cut.

    I would say high speed rail links within Russia between major cities and areas is well worth the money and effort, but rather than rail links to the EU, I would direct them the other way and go for rail links to Asia and through Asia...

    Set up a military park in the far east somewhere where you can drive a tank or fly a fighter or fire a machine gun or rocket launcher... they can use up old ammo and spend money having fun with their mates. You could have once in a lifetime things like firing a tank gun or artillery piece for $5K US it could all be videoed and you get to keep the empty shell case or whatever... there will be lots of ex army and ex military people who might like a job there that does not involve going to shit holes around the world and killing people...

    You could add a few other adventure type things or nature things along the high speed route where you can stop for as long as you like and catch the next train to continue your journey or whatever...

    That's the thing though.

    What's Russia's value, fundamentally?

    It's a country linking the whole of Eurasia, west to east, north to south

    By itself it doesn't have nearly as much population as either Europe, or Asia or the Middle East though.

    While the EU can always cut the strings, it would be to its own benefit, that say people in China can take a high-speed train all the way to the heart of Europe through Central Asia and Russia. And that they can use the same super highway to get to Asia.
    And like I said, we already have a fast rail service with Helsinki; that's one thing the EU hasn't objected to at least.

    Therefore Russia building high speed rail links with Europe cannot be taken in isolation. There should also be a high speed rail linking to Iran, and possibly beyond to Pakistan, and of course high speed rail lines linking to China. If the tunnel to Hokkaido to Sakhalin ever gets built (the bridge to Sakhalin itself from the mainland is assured in that case too), then we can connect Japan's railways to the trans-Siberian line too for logistics and travel. Ditto for South Korea; in case the US ever fucks off the construction of the inter-Korean railway can proceed all the way to Vladivostok.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:18 am

    What's Russia's value, fundamentally?

    To the EU... it is a punch bag to make the domestic population feel better about their problems and complexity of life.

    To the US a potential rival to its control of the EU and the world.

    To Russia... somewhere to live that is safe and affordable.

    It's a country linking the whole of Eurasia, west to east, north to south

    Lots of vested interests in existing links who will resist any change to cross Russia instead of going around... lots of ports and countries that will loose money and business traffic...

    By itself it doesn't have nearly as much population as either Europe, or Asia or the Middle East though.

    And how long before people stop complaining about the climate and start saying overpopulation is the problem?

    Evidence from Chernobyl clearly shows extreme radiation is less dangerous to nature than human habitation... take the people away and nature blooms...


    While the EU can always cut the strings, it would be to its own benefit, that say people in China can take a high-speed train all the way to the heart of Europe through Central Asia and Russia. And that they can use the same super highway to get to Asia.

    The EU is not a single unified block working together for the good of the member states... half the countries of the EU oppose NSII simply because it involves Russia... the EU is getting a hell of a lot more out of NSII than Russia is, yet elements in the EU seem set on sabotage and interference.

    Transport links to Asia wont benefit all EU states either and the ones that don't benefit will certainly try to sabotage that too... and lets face it... they wont even get on board unless they make a lot of money and Russia doesn't benefit too much.

    And that is why Russia is doing it... and also clearly why they rejected Chinese participation because China clearly wanted a piece of the pie that was too big... why would Germany refuse a big piece too?

    And like I said, we already have a fast rail service with Helsinki; that's one thing the EU hasn't objected to at least.

    When 100 million Chinese people take the train from Russia to Helsinki every year they will want a slice of the pie.

    And Finland isn't a member of the EU is it?

    Therefore Russia building high speed rail links with Europe cannot be taken in isolation.

    I think Russia should focus on internal rail links both high speed and normal speed to open up the far east and link the various remote areas together in an affordable transit system. Heading east or south makes sense but not west beyond existing links.
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    Post  thegopnik on Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:08 pm

    Decided now to post this stuff here to not make it seems I am spamming the shit out of this at the Su-57 thread.

    Here they go into more detail about the metamaterial https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-59291-x#Fig3 The cloaking used was 20mm and the frequency they have tested was like 2-7ghz and they show the demonstration of the cylinder with the frequencies passing it.

    Also China claims this so this might give us a general idea.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/metamaterials-has-china-just-made-a-major-stealth-breakthrough?ref=scroll

    "Chinese scientists announced they’ve invented a new kind of coating for aircraft and other weapons that’s virtually undetectable by radar.

    This new, lab-made “metamaterial,” in essence a very fine mesh with microscopic etchings, could shrink the radar signature of a fighter jet, warship, or missile by a thousand times, claimed the scientists at the Chengdu-based Institute of Optics and Electronics, part of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

    If the Chinese team led by professor Luo Xiangang is telling the truth and their metamaterial works like they’ve claimed, China might seem poised to become the world leader in stealth technology, leapfrogging the United States and effectively canceling out a major American military advantage."


    But there are good reasons to be very skeptical.


    https://sciencex.com/wire-news/355834671/scientists-create-stealth-technology-that-hides-metal-masts-and.html

    The research of the team is a theoretical work and demonstrates new methods and open effects. The next stage of the project and the immediate goal, according to the researchers, is to learn how to reduce the magnetic response of elongated metal structures.

    "We have already deduced the theory for super-toroidal configurations earlier. Now we want to show it experimentally. Thus, we will come closer to solving the problem of complete invisibility. Although according to the optical theorem, it is impossible to create perfect invisibility, we can take a big step towards this," concluded Basharin.


    Hopefully material better than chameleon changing helmet they have proposed at army expo and walking into female bath houses.


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    Post  kvs on Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:14 pm

    Metamaterials are cool, but once again the stealth fetish is rearing its ugly head. Yeah, they can be transmitters in some frequencies
    but not in all of them. They will absorb and thus will re-emit. Radars are no longer radar frequency constrained devices.
    The periodic table of the elements imposes limits on "invisibility" that can never be overcome. Maybe some sci-fi phasing tech
    will arrive if humanity survives in the coming thousands of years. But there is no point holding one's breath.

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    Post  thegopnik on Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:33 pm

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&pto=aue&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://naukatehnika.com/koordinator-ot-texmasha.html&usg=ALkJrhiEi1jCq1PyPEWwtbOdpQYBaKMN6A

    Specialists of the Scientific Research Institute of Electronic Devices (NIIEP) have developed a new device for high-precision ammunition. The target coordinator allows for complex processing of data on ground objects, relying on the temperature contour and the dimensions of the targets. The new coordinator is based on a radio scheme that allows you to select new groups of objects when scanning a surface. Thus, the target coordinator can search for objects with a given size, and the temperature of which contrasts with the environment in a certain range.

    Sergei Zhirov, Director General of NIIEP, emphasized that the target coordinator can simultaneously obtain both qualitative and quantitative properties of ground targets. In turn, this increases the accuracy of detection and the accuracy of shooting by eliminating false targets. In addition to accuracy, the new component can increase the noise immunity of high-precision ammunition, allowing you to filter out unnecessary signals. The detection device can be implemented both on the basis of microprocessors and using analog elements, which leads to design flexibility. Recall that NIIEP is part of the Tekhmash research and production concern (Rostec State Corporation). The institute specializes in the development of automation and near location systems. In particular, NIIEP specialists are developing laser fuses for guided missiles and automatic weapons systems. Among other things, NIIEP components are installed in Iskander-M missile systems, Smerch MLRS, and KAB-500 corrected bombs.

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    Post  Scorpius on Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:44 pm

    Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia - Page 29 Y2RuaW1nLnJnLnJ1L2kvcGhvdG9nYWxsZXJ5LzIwMjAvMTEvMTEvNzIyZjczMzYyZjQ5YjhlLzcyMmY3MzM2MmY0OWI4ZTE2MDUwOTI4ODIuanBnP19faWQ9MTM3NDEx
    The first Russian cargo drone with a hybrid engine was tested recently in Moscow. The hybrid hydrogen-electric power plant provides a maximum driving range of up to 900 kilometers. The cost of transporting goods is 60% cheaper than when transporting traditional trucks, according to the developers.

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    Post  kvs on Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:56 pm

    But this vehicle requires smart highways to be useful. It needs external information input to avoid collisions and operate in traffic.

    That is not bad, car AI is nowhere ready for prime time regardless of what Musk and his sycophants claim or believe.

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    Post  Hole on Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:40 pm

    Which brings us to the question is it more difficult (expensive) to upgrade highways or cars?
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    Post  x_54_u43 on Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:01 pm

    Scorpius wrote:Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia - Page 29 Y2RuaW1nLnJnLnJ1L2kvcGhvdG9nYWxsZXJ5LzIwMjAvMTEvMTEvNzIyZjczMzYyZjQ5YjhlLzcyMmY3MzM2MmY0OWI4ZTE2MDUwOTI4ODIuanBnP19faWQ9MTM3NDEx
    The first Russian cargo drone with a hybrid engine was tested recently in Moscow. The hybrid hydrogen-electric power plant provides a maximum driving range of up to 900 kilometers. The cost of transporting goods is 60% cheaper than when transporting traditional trucks, according to the developers.

    Please post the link to website you got this from, and IIRC from the top of my head, the article states that the cost of creation of this vehicle is 60 percent lower than a similar manned analogue conversion.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:56 pm

    x_54_u43 wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:Νew Technologies and Innovation Development in Russia - Page 29 Y2RuaW1nLnJnLnJ1L2kvcGhvdG9nYWxsZXJ5LzIwMjAvMTEvMTEvNzIyZjczMzYyZjQ5YjhlLzcyMmY3MzM2MmY0OWI4ZTE2MDUwOTI4ODIuanBnP19faWQ9MTM3NDEx
    The first Russian cargo drone with a hybrid engine was tested recently in Moscow. The hybrid hydrogen-electric power plant provides a maximum driving range of up to 900 kilometers. The cost of transporting goods is 60% cheaper than when transporting traditional trucks, according to the developers.

    Please post the link to website you got this from, and IIRC from the top of my head, the article states that the cost of creation of this vehicle is 60 percent lower than a similar manned analogue conversion.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/137411/
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:08 pm

    Hole wrote:Which brings us to the question is it more difficult (expensive) to upgrade highways or cars?

    Highways.

    But that's not the real problem, for companies it's liability, any failure or accident that may happen along the way will fall directly onto the company.
    So to avoid this liability problem they need to put a driver on these trucks in order to avoid numerous lawsuits.

    This is why we still have locomotive operators, trains don't need the complex AI that cars do, but they still keep their operators for liability reasons.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:04 am

    Which brings us to the question is it more difficult (expensive) to upgrade highways or cars?

    I would hope both would be upgraded...

    We need better cars and better roads... not all the cars on the road will be smart and not all the roads will be smart either.

    But that's not the real problem, for companies it's liability, any failure or accident that may happen along the way will fall directly onto the company.
    So to avoid this liability problem they need to put a driver on these trucks in order to avoid numerous lawsuits.

    A very important factor... imagine writing the AI logic... you are driving down the road in a small car and a large heavy truck... for what ever reason is barrelling down the road on your side of the road passing another heavily loaded truck on the proper side of the road... the AI has a choice to hit one or the other truck head on at high speed (no point in improving safety if you can't go faster right?) or it can mount the pavement to avoid both trucks and kill pedestrians...

    When it goes to court and everyone produces their video footage of the incident... both trucks, the car itself, and likely a few shop or pedestrian mounted cameras too... no point suing the drivers... they can't afford multi million dollar fees and costs... it is the maker of the road and the trucks and car that have to worry.

    The sad thing is that some thing smart automatically driven cars will be safe... they will be safer... but not actually safe.

    Malfunctions to sensors might lead to smart cars running people over or stopping because a bird flew in front of the car, or running into buildings and off roads.

    Rather than rely on road systems the cars or vehicles need to be able to see what is actually there... not just what is supposed to be there.

    Of course it means you can go out and get hammered and not have to pay of a taxi home... which is a good thing... of course when you breathalyse an automatic car could petrol fumes be confused with alcohol content?

    Be great for terrorists too... fill a van with a huge bomb and send it to the target...
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:27 pm

    kvs wrote:But this vehicle requires smart highways to be useful.  It needs external information input to avoid collisions and operate in traffic.

    That is not bad, car AI is nowhere ready for prime time regardless of what Musk and his sycophants claim or believe.


    Russian manufacturers are investing quite a lot into truck AIs so clearly they are indications that they'll get a return on their investment

    In Russia a lot of new toll highways are being planned; likely they'll be fitted with any needed sensors when they're built.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:45 am

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/elbrus-crowdfund-motherboard

    Interesting. So we may be able to get a motherboard that will work for Elbrus CPU's!

    I may just try to get one.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:45 am

    miketheterrible wrote:https://www.tomshardware.com/news/elbrus-crowdfund-motherboard

    Interesting.  So we may be able to get a motherboard that will work for Elbrus CPU's!

    I may just try to get one.

    Nice. But the author is engaging in ignorant blather. Intel's failure with VLIW does not mean that
    Elbrus is some "pushed" architecture. It has over 40 years behind it and the compilers for the
    this VLIW architecture are world class. Elbrus is already being used in HPC systems and it
    is a success. Intel failed because it reflects the shallow western culture of quick fixes and
    instant gratification.


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