When those pics of T 50 ( prototype 051) in its hangar were taken a press call was made to announce "greater involvement" of Russian Academy of Sciences' participation by raising the faculty from 1 ( on this date ) to 5 .
+70
Kimppis
Rmf
szo
Kyo
type055
kvs
tempestii
2SPOOKY4U
EKS
Mike E
navyfield
bantugbro
mutantsushi
gaurav
mig7
RTN
Morpheus Eberhardt
Indian Flanker
Zinuru
Djoka
George1
Airbornewolf
lulldapull
Hannibal Barca
Alex555
Hachimoto
Giulio
havok
eridan
etaepsilonk
magnumcromagnon
Cyberspec
ali.a.r
Werewolf
CaptainPakistan
GJ Flanker
macedonian
Arrow
zg18
BlackArrow
Vann7
flamming_python
KomissarBojanchev
a89
JPJ
Rpg type 7v
Department Of Defense
collegeboy16
quetzacol
dionis
AlfaT8
sepheronx
NickM
TheArmenian
coolieno99
nemrod
Zivo
Firebird
mack8
Mindstorm
Sujoy
Deep Throat
Stealthflanker
SOC
TR1
Flanky
medo
Viktor
Austin
GarryB
74 posters
PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Sujoy- Posts : 2429
Points : 2587
Join date : 2012-04-02
Location : India || भारत
- Post n°46
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
When those pics of T 50 ( prototype 051) in its hangar were taken a press call was made to announce "greater involvement" of Russian Academy of Sciences' participation by raising the faculty from 1 ( on this date ) to 5 .
dionis- Posts : 217
Points : 218
Join date : 2012-12-13
- Post n°47
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
This is *written* so poorly that I can't bear to finish reading it.
Of course little tidbits of what may as well be complete BS, like the 20 year old APG-77 is "more advanced" than the NIIP AESA, caught my eye.
Of course little tidbits of what may as well be complete BS, like the 20 year old APG-77 is "more advanced" than the NIIP AESA, caught my eye.
AlfaT8- Posts : 2508
Points : 2499
Join date : 2013-02-02
- Post n°48
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
What are you talking about??dionis wrote:This is *written* so poorly that I can't bear to finish reading it.
Of course little tidbits of what may as well be complete BS, like the 20 year old APG-77 is "more advanced" than the NIIP AESA, caught my eye.
dionis- Posts : 217
Points : 218
Join date : 2012-12-13
- Post n°49
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Wrote text somewhere else and posted into the wrong thread - hah!AlfaT8 wrote:What are you talking about??dionis wrote:This is *written* so poorly that I can't bear to finish reading it.
Of course little tidbits of what may as well be complete BS, like the 20 year old APG-77 is "more advanced" than the NIIP AESA, caught my eye.
Stealthflanker- Posts : 1459
Points : 1535
Join date : 2009-08-04
Age : 36
Location : Indonesia
- Post n°50
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Not really, the blades will still have some reflection left.. and not to mention that there are still other parts of engine made of conductive metal that can be the source of RCS.coolieno99 wrote:Actually Russia has been using composites in her aircrafts for a long time. The vertical tail fin of the MiG-29 is made of composites. What's new is that they are now working on radar-absorbing composite fan blade for new jet engine to be mounted on the PAK-FA. This will eliminate the need for a radar blocker ( or a S-duct ).
GarryB- Posts : 40729
Points : 41231
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
- Post n°52
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Interesting... but that is where the main undercarriage is... there is no room for R-73s there.
collegeboy16- Posts : 1135
Points : 1134
Join date : 2012-10-05
Age : 28
Location : Roanapur
- Post n°53
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
So the pakfa has 6 bays(4 in the middle and 1 at either side in the long slim protrusions beneath the wing). I find this a bit lacking though, only 6 targets could be engaged with missiles, perhaps the morphei could be small enough to fit 2 in a bay?
TR1- Posts : 5435
Points : 5433
Join date : 2011-12-06
- Post n°54
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
It is the standard capacity for everything 5th gen, though some have increased since. The two main bays are clearly large enough to contain 6 missiles of R-77 size...will they in the future? We will see.
Department Of Defense- Posts : 32
Points : 25
Join date : 2013-05-07
Location : In The Neighborhood
- Post n°55
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
NPO Saturn should ideally focus on fully developing the PAK FA's AL 41F engine . This development is going on for eternity & yet there is nothing concrete that has yet come out.
Just look at how long NPO Saturn took to develop the AL-55I turbofan for the HJT-36 IJT & how long it is taking to develop a 20% uprated thrust AL-31FP .
They need to swing for the fences coz as of now things are moving very slowly .
Just look at how long NPO Saturn took to develop the AL-55I turbofan for the HJT-36 IJT & how long it is taking to develop a 20% uprated thrust AL-31FP .
They need to swing for the fences coz as of now things are moving very slowly .
GarryB- Posts : 40729
Points : 41231
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
- Post n°56
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Wasn't there a report recently about the engines going well and that they will be ready for the operational PAK FAs in 2016 or 2017 when they fully enter operational service?
Most of the time the PAK FA will carry very light military payloads and with internal carriage there will be no external drag so the increased thrust engines are not really critical to its performance.
I would say the new missiles being specifically developed for the aircraft will be much more important to how effective the aircraft will be.
Most of the time the PAK FA will carry very light military payloads and with internal carriage there will be no external drag so the increased thrust engines are not really critical to its performance.
I would say the new missiles being specifically developed for the aircraft will be much more important to how effective the aircraft will be.
Department Of Defense- Posts : 32
Points : 25
Join date : 2013-05-07
Location : In The Neighborhood
- Post n°57
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Lockheed has also produced tons of such reports for the last 5 years about the F 35 doing extremely well . Reports mean nothing .GarryB wrote:Wasn't there a report recently about the engines going well and that they will be ready for the operational PAK FAs in 2016 or 2017 when they fully enter operational service?
You kidding me ......right ? In that case why not have the engines of the SU 30 SM or SU 35S on the PAKFA ?GarryB wrote:Most of the time the PAK FA will carry very light military payloads and with internal carriage there will be no external drag so the increased thrust engines are not really critical to its performance.
GarryB- Posts : 40729
Points : 41231
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
- Post n°58
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
The F-35 is a huge international program with lots and lots of customers that have sunk lots of cash into this aircraft... press releases have a different meaning for it.Lockheed has also produced tons of such reports for the last 5 years about the F 35 doing extremely well . Reports mean nothing .
When Saturn starts lying then we can question the validity of its reports... so far its track record is good.
Actually the engines on the Su-30SM and Su-35S are from the current PAK FA... but funding has been allocated to produce more powerful and more fuel efficient engines so why would they not introduce that engine when it is ready for the aircraft it was made for?You kidding me ......right ? In that case why not have the engines of the SU 30 SM or SU 35S on the PAKFA ?
More importantly why introduce it now when it is not ready and risk losing an expensive prototype?
Rpg type 7v- Posts : 245
Points : 97
Join date : 2011-05-01
- Post n°59
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
thats the benefit of poded engine configuration in pak-fa unlike f-22 whose intakes and engines are of strict dimensions , the drawback is worse rcs ofcourse.
JPJ- Posts : 9
Points : 11
Join date : 2011-04-22
- Post n°60
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Problems with Pak Fa?, Wath you think?
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ain-defense-perspective/2013-09-20/various-obstacles-confront-russias-t-50-project
Thanks
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ain-defense-perspective/2013-09-20/various-obstacles-confront-russias-t-50-project
I think that Su 35 has a 117S (AL-41F1S) similar but not the same than the 117 (Al-41F-1) of the Pak Fa, and SM has the al 31FP the same of the MKI (or maybe a 31MF1)GarryB wrote:Actually the engines on the Su-30SM and Su-35S are from the current PAK FA... but funding has been allocated to produce more powerful and more fuel efficient engines so why would they not introduce that engine when it is ready for the aircraft it was made for?
Thanks
sepheronx- Posts : 8907
Points : 9167
Join date : 2009-08-06
Age : 35
Location : Canada
- Post n°61
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Nothing wrong with PAK FA. The article is a joke seeing as they are taking some 'analyst' that somehow knows if they can mass produce new radar? And they state first one is hand assembled? They guys a tool. All brand new radars are hand assembled, and when the testing are finished, they move onto getting the facilities retooled to be able to run high volume production of said product. As well, they are claiming that they are using Indias contribution of FGFA for PAK FA development, when it has been known for quite sometime already that India has no contribution to PAK FA other than FgFA.
Yeah, as well, introducing equipment for a 5th gen fighter, having to be 95% Russian components, is quite a feet, especially when development for such subsystems just started and are working out kinks before development.
They dont list their sources nor do they remotely understand the difference between PAK FA and FGFA is the problem with that artical, which throws its credibility out the window.
As well, you cant "hand make" composite materials. The way its dine on PAK FA like any other aircraft shows machenary has done it not hand. Or jet would look much like Irans so called fifth gen jet.
Yeah, as well, introducing equipment for a 5th gen fighter, having to be 95% Russian components, is quite a feet, especially when development for such subsystems just started and are working out kinks before development.
They dont list their sources nor do they remotely understand the difference between PAK FA and FGFA is the problem with that artical, which throws its credibility out the window.
As well, you cant "hand make" composite materials. The way its dine on PAK FA like any other aircraft shows machenary has done it not hand. Or jet would look much like Irans so called fifth gen jet.
Last edited by sepheronx on Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:30 pm; edited 1 time in total
Viktor- Posts : 5796
Points : 6429
Join date : 2009-08-25
Age : 44
Location : Croatia
- Post n°62
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Stupid article.
sepheronx- Posts : 8907
Points : 9167
Join date : 2009-08-06
Age : 35
Location : Canada
- Post n°63
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Very much so. FGFA will help reduce cost of lets say radar, composite materials and engines over a long time for PAK FA, but not initially, and definately not now. As well, they wouldnt retool a facility to build radar that are still going through testing phase, I dont think any industry does that till the testing phase is done and they move onto full rate production. That is going to be some time. With Zhuk-A to end up on Ka-52k, radar components like the t/r modules will end up being cheaper over long term and thus reducing costs for the new aesa radar for pak fa.Viktor wrote:Stupid article.
There are currently what? 4 pak fa's with only two of them with some avionics for testing purposes? They are jumping to conclusions far too early. Criticize in around 2017 if they still have not opened up a full rate production of the aesa radar and composite materials. But not now. They as well do not mention that composites have been in full rate production in Russia for a long time.
TR1- Posts : 5435
Points : 5433
Join date : 2011-12-06
- Post n°64
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
That article is clearly written by someone with little actual knowledge of the program.
Factual errors abound, regarding radar, engines...everything really.
Pass.
Meanwhile this pretty girl will keep flying...
Factual errors abound, regarding radar, engines...everything really.
Pass.
Meanwhile this pretty girl will keep flying...
JPJ- Posts : 9
Points : 11
Join date : 2011-04-22
- Post n°65
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Thank you. Its now clear for me
TR1- Posts : 5435
Points : 5433
Join date : 2011-12-06
- Post n°66
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
For example- the engines are not Su-35 engines, an the radar is not N-050.JPJ wrote:Thank you. Its now clear for me
Austin- Posts : 7617
Points : 8014
Join date : 2010-05-08
Location : India
- Post n°67
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Pitor PAK-FA write up from Air International issue
http://www.crocko.com/EA00ED90007D40E4BF8A66E1F2378F23/AirInternational201310-PAK-FA.zip
I need clarification on now the lower number of stages for new engine in hot and cold section will improve the performance ?
http://www.crocko.com/EA00ED90007D40E4BF8A66E1F2378F23/AirInternational201310-PAK-FA.zip
I need clarification on now the lower number of stages for new engine in hot and cold section will improve the performance ?
a89- Posts : 105
Points : 110
Join date : 2013-01-09
Location : Oxfordshire
- Post n°68
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
The AESA description is very interesting. Any comments on the program's pace. Do you also think that PAK-FA will fall behind schedule?Pitor PAK-FA write up from Air International issue
sepheronx- Posts : 8907
Points : 9167
Join date : 2009-08-06
Age : 35
Location : Canada
- Post n°69
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Thanks again Austin for the article.
What is interesting for me is the misunderstanding of the financial aspect between India and Russia on FGFA. Since Indian Rupee dropped quite a bit, the price probably jumped high, and they are negotiating on lowering it? Well, they said it will be resolved by next year. But where is the 5 prototype indeed? Whats the hold up?
As well, didnt know they are working on another radar for FGFA based on N-036. Interesting news.
What is interesting for me is the misunderstanding of the financial aspect between India and Russia on FGFA. Since Indian Rupee dropped quite a bit, the price probably jumped high, and they are negotiating on lowering it? Well, they said it will be resolved by next year. But where is the 5 prototype indeed? Whats the hold up?
As well, didnt know they are working on another radar for FGFA based on N-036. Interesting news.
KomissarBojanchev- Posts : 1429
Points : 1584
Join date : 2012-08-05
Age : 27
Location : Varna, Bulgaria
- Post n°70
Re: PAK-FA, T-50: News #2
Is there a chance in the future for there to be separate T-50 variants, one having 3d TVC while the other one having 2d stealth nozzles ?