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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri May 15, 2020 6:58 pm

    Not the greatest article. And they used mig-35 instead of Su-35. And they are guessing the cost.  $3 billion for 26 Su-35 to be all delivered by 2023. Works out at $115.38 million each. And includes missiles and weapons etc.

    https://m.ednews.net/en/news/world/428645-russia-sold-26-su-35-fighter-jets-to-egypt-totalling-3-billion#.Xr5m97Fex90.facebook
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    Post  ahmedfire on Fri May 15, 2020 8:48 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Not the greatest article. And they used mig-35 instead of Su-35. And they are guessing the cost.  $3 billion for 26 Su-35 to be all delivered by 2023. Works out at $115.38 million each. And includes missiles and weapons etc.  

    https://m.ednews.net/en/news/world/428645-russia-sold-26-su-35-fighter-jets-to-egypt-totalling-3-billion#.Xr5m97Fex90.facebook

    The previous news have been talked about 24 aircraft that costs 2 billion . Now 26 with 3 billion means a wide range of missiles and bombs are included which definitely will add a huge capabilities to EAF . Can't wait to change the wallpaper with the Su-35 over the Pyramids  Very Happy

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri May 15, 2020 9:27 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Not the greatest article. And they used mig-35 instead of Su-35. And they are guessing the cost.  $3 billion for 26 Su-35 to be all delivered by 2023. Works out at $115.38 million each. And includes missiles and weapons etc.  

    https://m.ednews.net/en/news/world/428645-russia-sold-26-su-35-fighter-jets-to-egypt-totalling-3-billion#.Xr5m97Fex90.facebook

    The previous news have been talked about 24 aircraft that costs 2 billion . Now 26 with 3 billion means a wide range of missiles and bombs are included which definitely will add a huge capabilities to EAF . Can't wait to change the wallpaper with the Su-35 over the Pyramids  Very Happy

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    Yeah that's a lot missiles. And USA will be fuming. I think Egypt is turning away from USA weapons. I feel Egypt always had a Mish mash of equipment it wouldn't hurt streamlining it a bit and due to having such a large military need to strike better cost effective deals and not be getting ripped off by Western countries
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    Post  ahmedfire on Fri May 15, 2020 10:36 pm

    Yeah that's a lot missiles. And USA will be fuming. I think Egypt is turning away from USA weapons. I feel Egypt always had a Mish mash of equipment it wouldn't hurt streamlining it a bit and due to having such a large military need to strike better cost effective deals and not be getting ripped off by Western countries

    Actually i didn't like the EAF situation to depend on huge F-16 fleet . US simply couldn't be trusted if Egypt go for war with Israel .

    And i don't see a future for any new US aircraft to serve in EAF .Egypt will not buy F-35 and will operate the F-16 fleet till being retired .

    US has threatened to impose sanctions on Egypt because of this SU-35 deal , so may the sanctions would be applied or they just are afraid to completely lose Egypt .
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri May 15, 2020 11:23 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:
    Yeah that's a lot missiles. And USA will be fuming. I think Egypt is turning away from USA weapons. I feel Egypt always had a Mish mash of equipment it wouldn't hurt streamlining it a bit and due to having such a large military need to strike better cost effective deals and not be getting ripped off by Western countries

    And i don't see a future for any new US aircraft to serve in EAF .Egypt will not buy F-35 and will operate the F-16 fleet till being retired .

    US has threatened to impose sanctions on Egypt because of this SU-35 deal , so may the sanctions would be applied or they just are afraid to completely lose Egypt .

    Ur right Israel could totally crap on them and all f-16 rendered useless bad move by Egypt getting involved with f-16 better to phase out asap. USA at most likely threaten to remove the 1.5 BN dollars they give as aid but Egypt could save that amount easily by not buying western equipment


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    Post  Isos on Fri May 15, 2020 11:29 pm

    They won't phase them out. They have enough missiles and bombs to use them for another decade.

    They can always make spare parts by themselves like Iran for their f-14.
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    Post  George1 on Fri May 15, 2020 11:48 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Yeah that's a lot missiles. And USA will be fuming. I think Egypt is turning away from USA weapons. I feel Egypt always had a Mish mash of equipment it wouldn't hurt streamlining it a bit and due to having such a large military need to strike better cost effective deals and not be getting ripped off by Western countries

    USA halted weapon transfers to Egypt in October 2013 because they considered Sisi autocratic after he took power by coup against a democratic elected president.
    So Egypt turned to the Russia to satisfy its needs or/and to pressure to US to resume arms sales, which it was finally done when Obama restored US military aid to Egypt in 2015.

    My opinion is that Egypt doesnt have the intention to break full military cooperation with US. They also bought ships from France and submarines from Germany. They just want to diversify their their arms sources with purchases from other countries as well.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat May 16, 2020 12:04 am

    George1 wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Yeah that's a lot missiles. And USA will be fuming. I think Egypt is turning away from USA weapons. I feel Egypt always had a Mish mash of equipment it wouldn't hurt streamlining it a bit and due to having such a large military need to strike better cost effective deals and not be getting ripped off by Western countries

    USA halted weapon transfers to Egypt in October 2013 because they considered Sisi autocratic after he took power by coup against a democratic elected president.
    So Egypt turned to the Russia to satisfy its needs or/and to pressure to US to resume arms sales, which it was finally done when Obama restored US military aid to Egypt in 2015.

    My opinion is that Egypt doesnt have the intention to break full military cooperation with US. They also bought ships from France and submarines from Germany. They just want to diversify their their arms sources with purchases from other countries as well.


    Of course they won't breakaway from USA because USA give them 1.5 BN dollars in aid for military but by accepting that money it will most likely come with conditions and USA might no more russian deals or very limited deals. Streamlining their equipment is badly needed. And western systems don't tend work well in integration with russian systems. And if they start installing western systems into russian made equipment that adds to cost.
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    Post  dino00 on Sat May 16, 2020 1:01 pm

    Russia launches production of Su-35 fighter jets for Egypt — source

    The timeframe for first batch’s delivery has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak


    "The Gagarin Aircraft Plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur has launched the production of Su-35, intended to be delivered to the Egyptian Air Force under the contract signed in 2018," the source said.

    "The timeframe for first batch’s delivery to the Egyptian side has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak," he added.


    Russia’s Kommersant daily reported in March 2019 that Egypt had decided to purchase several Russian-made Su-35 fighter jets for about $2 billion. The signing of the deal has never been confirmed by official sources

    https://tass.com/defense/1157115
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat May 16, 2020 1:54 pm

    dino00 wrote:Russia launches production of Su-35 fighter jets for Egypt — source

    The timeframe for first batch’s delivery has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak


    "The Gagarin Aircraft Plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur has launched the production of Su-35, intended to be delivered to the Egyptian Air Force under the contract signed in 2018," the source said.

    "The timeframe for first batch’s delivery to the Egyptian side has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak," he added.


    Russia’s Kommersant daily reported in March 2019 that Egypt had decided to purchase several Russian-made Su-35 fighter jets for about $2 billion. The signing of the deal has never been confirmed by official sources

    https://tass.com/defense/1157115

    The article I put on here says 26 aircraft plus missiles $3 billion order to be completed by 2023
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    Post  Isos on Sat May 16, 2020 2:12 pm

    It must also include ground equipment needed to use the sukhois which must be different from the mig-29 they have and totally different from what they use for their f-16.

    Fuel for exemple is not the same on US and RU aircraft so they will need different refueling trucks. Or testbeds for missiles, engines, radars ...

    If they buy another batch, the unit cost will be closer to 60-70 millions as they will buy only the fighters.

    And we could potentially see a contract with Saudi Arabia because they have close ties with Egypt military and US are threatening them to take away their stuff (patriot and fighters) because of the oil war.
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    Post  dino00 on Sat May 16, 2020 3:04 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Russia launches production of Su-35 fighter jets for Egypt — source

    The timeframe for first batch’s delivery has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak


    "The Gagarin Aircraft Plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur has launched the production of Su-35, intended to be delivered to the Egyptian Air Force under the contract signed in 2018," the source said.

    "The timeframe for first batch’s delivery to the Egyptian side has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak," he added.


    Russia’s Kommersant daily reported in March 2019 that Egypt had decided to purchase several Russian-made Su-35 fighter jets for about $2 billion. The signing of the deal has never been confirmed by official sources

    https://tass.com/defense/1157115

    The article I put on here says 26 aircraft plus missiles $3 billion order to be completed  by 2023

    You said that they were guessing the cost Smile the price is from Kommersant, the important part is that they started work.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat May 16, 2020 4:25 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Russia launches production of Su-35 fighter jets for Egypt — source

    The timeframe for first batch’s delivery has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak


    "The Gagarin Aircraft Plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur has launched the production of Su-35, intended to be delivered to the Egyptian Air Force under the contract signed in 2018," the source said.

    "The timeframe for first batch’s delivery to the Egyptian side has not been set yet, due to restrictions imposed by the novel coronavirus outbreak," he added.


    Russia’s Kommersant daily reported in March 2019 that Egypt had decided to purchase several Russian-made Su-35 fighter jets for about $2 billion. The signing of the deal has never been confirmed by official sources

    https://tass.com/defense/1157115

    The article I put on here says 26 aircraft plus missiles $3 billion order to be completed  by 2023

    You said that they were guessing the cost Smile  the price is from Kommersant, the important part is that they started work.


    the $2 billion figure was the old article back in 2018 and only included 24 aircraft  and no missiles and necessary weapons as stated in the new article.  New article states an extra 2 aircraft plus missiles etc so it might not be $3 billion but most likely closer to the $3bn figure than the $2bn that is of course if they are getting 26 instead of 24 and getting missiles etc. And the article from Tass did state this
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    Russia’s Kommersant daily reported in March 2019 that Egypt had decided to purchase several Russian-made Su-35 fighter jets for about $2 billion. The signing of the deal has never been confirmed by official sources.

    China has become the first foreign country to buy Su-35 when it signed a $2.5-billion deal with Russia for 24 aircraft. The deal also envisaged supplies of ground equipment and spare engines. The delivery of the aircraft to China was completed in 2019."

    Back in 2019 is wasn't even confirmed. And secondly that China purchased 24 for $2.5bn. So if Egypt is getting 2 more aircraft plus missiles etc then a figure nearer the $3bn figure is a reasonable number

     I am sure a more concrete answer will come out in next few weeks or month.

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