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    Post  dino00 Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:18 pm

    India accelerates weapons purchases in wake of border clash with China

    ...It’s also granted special financial powers that comes with a ceiling of $71.42 million to rapidly buy weapons. But these fast-track purchasing programs will still involve a multi-vendor competition. Twenty-five of these procurement programs are for the Army and the Air Force; 10 are for the Navy. The Army is likely to buy ammunition for its T-90 tanks, BMP-2 vehicles, air defense guns, artillery guns and small arms, as well as rockets, missiles and mortars. The Air Force is likely to buy air-to-air missiles, air to-ground missiles, smart bombs, chaffs, flares and precision-guided munitions.

    As part of the procurement effort, Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and Defence Secretary Ajay Kumar visited Moscow from June 22-25 and met with Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu, Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov and chief of Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheev.

    An MoD official said India requested the immediate supply of spare parts for Su-30MKI fighters, Kilo-class submarines and T-90 tanks, as well as the emergency purchase of missiles and specialized ammunition for Russian-origin fighter jets, tanks, warships and submarines
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    https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2020/07/06/india-accelerates-weapons-purchases-in-wake-of-border-clash-with-china/

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    Post  Isos Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:42 pm

    Rather pathetic... hopefully for Russia indian MoD is full of stupid guys and they will get rich thanks to them. They spend billions and billions on an handfull of western stuff to end up beging for munitions just before a potential war because they don't have stocks for 70% or more of the weapons.

    Just like studying 2 months of courses in 10 minutes before an exam and hoping to succeed...
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    Post  dino00 Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:32 pm

    Russian fighters will cost India $ 2.4 billion

    The contract may be concluded before the end of the year
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    Discussions on the procurement of these fighters have been ongoing since 2018, a source close to the Russian military-technical cooperation agencies says. According to him, it is assumed that the MiG-29 fighters will be taken from the presence of the Russian Air Force
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    Partial Article, Need Subscription
    https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2020/07/06/834074-istrebiteli-24
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    Post  Isos Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:46 pm

    From west it would have costed 10 billions.
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:26 am

    India looking to acquire an additional 1500 T-90 tanks
    [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Edppy-_UwAAUcVv?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img]
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    Post  dino00 Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:18 am

    [quote="Cyberspec"]India looking to acquire an additional 1500 T-90 tanks
    [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Edppy-_UwAAUcVv?format=jpg&name=900x900[/img][/quote]

    Page can't be found...but nice if true
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    Post  Viktor Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:27 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:India looking to acquire an additional 1500 T-90 tanks
    RUSSIA - INDIA Military Contracts - Page 28 Edppy-_UwAAUcVv?format=jpg&name=900x900

    Page can't be found...but nice if true

    I think plugs are mixed with tanks here

    India signs $75-million deal with state-run BEML for 1,500 T-90 tank mine ploughs
    https://defence.capital/2020/07/20/india-signs-75-million-deal-with-state-run-beml-for-1500-t-90-tank-mine-ploughs/

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:59 am

    The contract is for 1512 Mine Ploughs only, that will be fitted to the T-90 S/SK. Not 1500 new T-90 tanks. The mine ploughs will be manufactured at BEML facilities with the help of Pearson Engineering, UK

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    Post  LMFS Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:41 pm

    Take this with a pinch of salt (or two), sources in India reportedly say the air force will buy the Zhuk-AM for existing MiGs:

    https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_1567834
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:22 pm

    Brief history of the Su-30MKI by Janes

    Janes reported on 19 June 2020 that the IAF was looking to fast-track the procurement – valued at about USD1.4 billion – of 21 used Mikoyan MiG-29 and 12 new Sukhoi Su-30MKI combat aircraft to boost its air combat capabilities.

    Below is the an extract from the Su-30M profile, just one of more than 41,000 verified and validated equipment profiles available from Janes.

    Su-30MKI

    ('Flanker-H') Version for India in four configurations, initially referred to as Su-30MKI, MKII, MKIII and MKIV. Indian contract signed 30 November 1996. First eight delivered March 1997 to basic Su-30PU (Su-30K or even Su-37UB) standard, with AL-31F engines; eight for 1998 delivery were expected to have French Sextant avionics including VEH 3000 HUDs, high-resolution colour LCD MFDs, a new flight data recorder, a Totem ring laser gyro dual INS with embedded GPS, Cockpits stated to be "practically identical" although rear seat occupant normally operates radar, systems and weapons. Israeli EW equipment, a new UOMZ OLS-30 electro-optic targeting system and rearward-facing radar in tailcone; 12 originally to have been delivered 1999 were to add canards, as on Su-37; final 12 (originally scheduled for delivery in 2000) were to have AL-37FP engines with single-axis thrust-vectoring nozzles inclined outwards 32° from the centreline for improved yaw control, especially in single-engined case. AL-37PP claimed to offer 3-D thrust vectoring, with nozzle actuation via the fuel, and not the hydraulic, system.
    Completion and delivery of balance of 32 was repeatedly delayed; decision taken that all these would be completed to final standard before delivery. (In interim, India contracted on 18 December 1998 for 10 standard Su-30Ks which had been cancelled by Indonesia; all had been delivered by October 1999.) First prototype full-specification Su-30MKI flew at Irkutsk on 26 November 2000; Irkutsk built four prototypes, last of which handed over to Sukhoi design bureau on 11 August 2001.

    First production aircraft flew 28 December 2001. Under renegotiated contract, IAF to have received six aircraft by 2002 and balance of 26 in batches beginning 18 to 24 months later; Batch 1 and 2 aircraft (22 in all) were to be be raised to full (Batch 3) standard under agreement of 6 January 2006. Batch 1 capabilities were air-to-air only with N011M Mk. 1 radar; Batch 2, with N011M Mk. 2, added ability to engage targets with four R-77 AAMs, plus ground mapping, ground/sea target search and lock and integration with Kh-31A and Kh-59ME ASMs; Batch 3, with N011M Mk.3, added Indian processor to replace Russian C101 radar computer, ground attack mode with simultaneous air target search and integration with Rafael Litening pod. Indian-assembled aircraft reportedly have new gimbals for N011M's moving antenna, giving ±100 degrees azimuth and elevation, plus tracking range increase to 100 n miles (185 km; 115 miles).

    First two departed Irkutsk inside An-124 transport 22 June 2002. However, 'full-specification' received in three standards, first 10 being Stage I; these 10 formally accepted into service by 20 Squadron at Pune 27 September 2002. Stages II and III were 12 in 2003 followed by 10 in 2004 (although last not formally accepted until late 2007).

    Licenced production of 140 Su-30MKIs by HAL was agreed in September 2000, followed by contract signature in Irkutsk on 28 December 2000. Sometimes referred to by KnAAPO as Su-35UB. First two, built from kits, handed over at HAL's Nasik plant in 2004, serialled SB101 onwards; first flight 1 October 2004; first delivery 28 November 2004; degree of completeness progressively reduced although in August 2006, contract revised to allow final deliveries to be made in 2014 (even 2012) instead of 2017, as originally planned; this accompanied by statement that India had "relinquished the right to full assembly"; Irkut delivered typical 15 kits in 2006; by 2009, this was 18; and 20 in 2012. HAL had completed 34 by September 2008, these equipping Nos. 20 and 30 Squadrons; increased to 74 by June 2010, 99 by November 2011 and 119 by December 2012.

    Indian contribution to Su-30MKI avionics (developed under project Ventrivale) include DARE MC-486 and DP-30MK mission computer/display processor; DARE RC1 and RC2 radar computer; DAR Tarang Mk 2 RWR and high-accuracy direction-finding module; IFF-1410A IFF; HAL INCOM 1210A integrated communication suite; HAL RAM-1701 radar altimeter; and LRDE programmable signal processor. Avionics systems from various countries integrated by Ramenskoye RPKB.

    India placed further contracts initially concerning 18 Su-30MKIs to replace same number of interim Su-30s due for return to Russia. Reported in February 2007 that contract for 40 Su-30MKIs would be signed within one month; no confirmatory reports (at that time) that this was done. Purchase of further 42 Su-30MKIs authorised by Indian government in June 2010, these also to be built by HAL and ordered 24 December 2012, increasing Indian kit programme to 222, plus further 50 (10, 12, 10, and 18) delivered complete; four development aircraft not included in total. Indian total thus 272, although no evidence of final two Russian airframes being built or delivered. In 2018, Russia offered further 40 for local production, but prompted no sign of Indian interest.

    Two Indian Su-30s delivered to Russia by January 2009 for modifications allowing supersonic launch of BrahMos-A ASMs. By 2015, Irkut plant reportedly providing India with upgrades to allow 42 Su-30MKIs to launch BrahMos-A supersonic cruise missiles. On 25 June 2016, first captive carriage test flown on centreline pylon of a modified Indian Air Force Su-30MKI. First air-launched firing test undertaken in 2017, with two subsequent launches in 2019. Integration of system declared complete as a result of 17 December 2019 test firing.


    https://www.janes.com/defence-equipment-intelligence/air-combat-systems/su-30mki-equipment-profile

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    Post  George1 Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:31 pm

    India is negotiating the purchase of Sprut-SDM1 light tanks from Russia

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4156786.html

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    Post  Kiko Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:38 pm

    Indian smut with the Rafale fighter. That's what it means to give up MiGs!
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    Fresh fighters from France are not built so quickly.  photo: yandex pictures.
    Fresh fighters from France are not built so quickly. photo: yandex pictures.
    Military experts in India followed the lead of some Middle East trend - Egypt and Qatar bought several new fighters from France under the nickname "Rafale". Well, here, and the Indian specialists wanted the same - they fell for this "cranberry" bait advertised by the countries of the Middle East.


    For ten years, the Indians were looking for and deciding how to further develop their aircraft military fleet. It is known that combat aircraft are also becoming obsolete, and now, the time has come to abandon the outdated MiG-21 bis.

    India could buy the MiG-35 from Russia. But the representatives of this country are not looking for easy ways, and in 2016 they decided to make a deal with France. Moreover, at first India wanted to get more than one hundred and twenty aircraft. Indian military specialists wanted to purchase 18 aircraft directly from France, and build the remaining one hundred odd ones at their aviation center in Bangalore under license - assembling from components. They have already done this when working with Russian partners. But the French, even those cunning types - they refused to hand over the assembly documentation and other things to the Indians.

    As a result, the minister of defense of the warm country, Parrikar, announced that 36 Rafal aircraft would be purchased, and the rest of this agreement was swept aside. Everything seems to be fine and everything is clear.

    Here is such a French-Indian airplane.  photo: yandex pictures.
    Here is such a French-Indian airplane. photo: yandex pictures.
    On July 29, 2020, the first batch of Rafale aircraft from France arrived at the Ambala airbase in India. Five fighters. Three doubles and two singles. The planes flew for two days from Bordeaux, through the UAE (intermediate landing) and even refueled in the air. The delivery time was delayed by two months due to the same pandemic. Several more aircraft remain in France and are being completed. But as you know, work at the plant stopped all because of the same pandemic.

    The deal between the countries for 36 aircraft is $ 8.7 billion.

    The price of the Rafale fighter with weapons and maintenance for India is about 218 million euros. Russian aircraft SU-35. go for export for 75 million.

    And the planes, 18 pieces, should be delivered in February 2021. But the French do not have time to build and the gap is already great. With this deal, India was trying to gain an advantage in the skies over China, with which relations in the north of the country are strained.

    As a result of the French "lazy building" planes, a debate has flared up in the Indian Parliament about who lobbied for this deal with France. And who from her, most likely, "got money" in the form of kickbacks. Talk about corruption in the highest military circles has surfaced!

    And so, when the first Rafal aircraft arrived on the Indian land, and their servicing began, it turned out during the current autumn that the refueling of these aircraft in the air is extremely specific. And for this, it will be necessary to acquire, in addition, several large refueling aircraft, all from France. This means that India will again be "divorced" for money!

    In short - with the French "Raphael" the Indians have some "smut".
    Now they are surreptitiously squinting towards the Russian MiG-35s. and would be ready to pick them up, which is called "with hands and feet." But now the contract with the French cannot be broken - there are familiar inserts between the lines about compensation in case of a break in the contract. And these payoffs are also prohibitively large.

    So the Indians got into trouble with the purchase of fighters from France. And it seems that this mess will not be cleared up soon:
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/vica2882/indiiskie-golovniaki-s-istrebitelem-rafale-vot-chto-znachit-otkazatsia-ot-migov-5fd2de58d2a6c44c4a77fa89


    Last edited by Kiko on Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:40 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Correct typos.)

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    Post  Backman Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:01 pm

    Looks like India still has the chance to do the right thing. Call it quits on the Rafale deal at 36 aircraft. That leaves an 84+ aircraft hole that needs to be filled. That's enough to make a Mig 35 plant worthwhile.

    While they are at it , they should make a deal for su 57 production too.
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    Post  zepia Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:17 pm

    They should pull off when they had disagreement with Dassalt about domestical assembly. But they keep pushing it and end up got an abserd deal. Cancel the deal now will cost them serious money and give those french a big free lunch.
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    Post  mnztr Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:29 pm

    How can they purchase a plane without testing it with their tankers? That is massive incompetence.
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    Post  medo Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:25 pm

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    It seems Rafale have diferent refueling complex than Mirage-2000, which was compatible with Il-78. Now India have to buy extra Airbus tankers just for Rafales and they will not be compatible with the rest of the fleet of MiGs and Sukhois. Coruption and incompetence. We sow the results in Balakot clash. Total failure. I hope this embarasment bring Indian air force to their minds, that they start to reorganize their whole structure into actualy working one.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:58 pm

    Heads should be rolling by now, this is actually a good opportunity to remove some rotten apples from the Indian defence establishment. If they don't do it given this huge scandal, then it means they are corrupt beyond recovery...

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:09 am

    LMFS wrote:Heads should be rolling by now, this is actually a good opportunity to remove some rotten apples from the Indian defence establishment. If they don't do it given this huge scandal, then it means they are corrupt beyond recovery...

    We've been hearing nonsense about how they have to diversify from Russia's MIC, but their desk-jockey generals have royally fucked up rule 1 of military procurement: Don't fuck up the logistics/supply lines! pwnd While in peace time they need to get this shit in order so it doesn't get ugly during times of war. Rolling Eyes Embarassed
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    Post  Backman Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:12 am

    Are we talking actual new tanker planes here or just IL-78's with a different hose ?

    Everyone knew that India was asking for trouble with this buy. But this exceeded expectations lol
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:27 am

    Backman wrote:Are we talking actual new tanker planes here or just IL-78's with a different hose ?

    Everyone knew that India was asking for trouble with this buy. But this exceeded expectations lol

    Have no idea, however I see the salty Escar-Gauls have contractional bindings/stipulations for breaking the contract. If I remember correctly the French-ticklers broke the Mistral contract, maybe Russia could be brought in to threaten to resume suing French-ticklers for not delivering the Mistrals. Even if they've been (woefully) compensated and arbitration courts throw out the Russian lawsuit, India can open a corruption lawsuit within India suing France, in which they could swiftly slap a 25 or 50 year ban on France from entering the Indian market if they don't cooperate.
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    Post  mnztr Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:55 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Have no idea, however I see the salty Escar-Gauls have contractional bindings/stipulations for breaking the contract. If I remember correctly the French-ticklers broke the Mistral contract, maybe Russia could be brought in to threaten to resume suing French-ticklers for not delivering the Mistrals. Even if they've been (woefully) compensated and arbitration courts throw out the Russian lawsuit, India can open a corruption lawsuit within India suing France, in which they could swiftly slap a 25 or 50 year ban on France from entering the Indian market if they don't cooperate.

    You have noo idea how well Russia did on getting out of the Mistral deal. The compensation was great they got  TON of IP and the US paid for the whole thing...AND they US paid for the ships to be given to the Egyptians. All in the name of being tough on Russia. Now they are building Russian Mistrals...

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    Post  mnztr Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:01 am

    Backman wrote:Are we talking actual new tanker planes here or just IL-78's with a different hose ?

    Everyone knew that India was asking for trouble with this buy. But this exceeded expectations lol

    I still find this hard to believe they have to operate with NATO tankers, the Egyptians and Quatris bought them.
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    Post  medo Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:52 am

    Backman wrote:Are we talking actual new tanker planes here or just IL-78's with a different hose ?

    Everyone knew that India was asking for trouble with this buy. But this exceeded expectations lol

    India have to buy 6 new Airbus A330MRTT for Rafales.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:01 am

    Wow, I thought buying Rafales was a mistake, but didn't realise they screwed them this badly.

    Normally the Indians are very very careful going over contracts and nitpick them for years before signing... sounds like a good bribe was paid and the deal was signed...

    I would say the best result for India is to look at the contract and work out the best solution they can get.

    At the end of the day that might just be buying all 36 planes and using them as a special unit somewhere where they don't need inflight refuelling... no point spending good money after bad.

    I would say what I said during the MMRCA competition... local production of 250 MiG-29M2s and say 50 MiG-35s.... that would create a good aircraft base that replaces all the MiG-21s, and some good quality base level multirole aircraft that can replace the 21s and the 27s and the Jaguars that they might still have in service...

    Now that they have the Rafales they need to get value for money... perhaps the radar and IRST might be of interest to the Russians... by accident of course and if anything was revealed then of course certain people would be punished... I believe the punishment for terrorism is being sent to a tropical island... and when released for getting pregnant a heros welcome back home...

    India shouldn't waste its time trying to build big ticket high priced weapons, it should be looking at getting technologies in medicine or in fields it can use at home to boost quality of life and economic conditions in its country... building its own state of the art fighter planes is not something they will make billions on in the export market... for a start they will be competing against the countries whose planes they bought...

    Perhaps improved farming technology and investment, improved education and access to healthcare and solutions for extreme poverty... things they could use and things they could also export to countries where the poor have no real support around the world... like the US...

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