RUSSIA - INDIA Military Contracts

Rusia will always remain the biggest defense partner for india, some issue related to spare parts needs to be sorted out and Russia needs to be pro active in marketing there products as US has already started offering state of art contracts

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Reliance is likely to partner Russian helicopters to build Kamov-226T utility helicopters in India and is also a contender for the ship project. Tata is in advanced stage of talks with Sukhoi to set up a Joint Venture to manufacture spares for Sukhoi fighters in India.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-russia-likely-to-sign-deal-for-4-stealth-frigates/article8014794.ece

No no no, let's forget about all those deals, and sell some Su-35s to Pakistan instead

well bro what they will buy in 10 years india is buying that much in couple of deals in one day from Russia. long live Russia-India Friendship

Pinto wrote:Rusia will always remain the biggest defense partner for india, some issue related to spare parts needs to be sorted out and Russia needs to be  pro active in marketing there products as US has already started offering state of art contracts

No they arent. They are trying to sell you guys crap at extortion prices.  The spare parts issue has been due to the fact HAL screwed up royaly and no actual contracts were signed between India and Russia on spares.  It just so happened that Russia became a convenient scape goat for poor maintenance from Malaysian and Indian mechanics.

As mentioned plenty other times, Russia is looking for a company in India to make the spares and chances are it will be Tata.

sepheronx wrote:

Pinto wrote:Rusia will always remain the biggest defense partner for india, some issue related to spare parts needs to be sorted out and Russia needs to be  pro active in marketing there products as US has already started offering state of art contracts

No they arent. They are trying to sell you guys crap at extortion prices.  The spare parts issue has been due to the fact HAL screwed up royaly and no actual contracts were signed between India and Russia on spares.  It just so happened that Russia became a convenient scape goat for poor maintenance from Malaysian and Indian mechanics.

As mentioned plenty other times, Russia is looking for a company in India to make the spares and chances are it will be Tata.

well there has been blame goin gon for spares and services ssues, no on eis defending HAL. DRDO here. but yes Russian partnership with private indian cos has huge potential in make india scheme. Tata are interested in setting up su30mki parts making unit, hopefully they seal the deal in this visit

More than likely it will. And something that escaped a lot of people about this deal is that it would further entice an agreement for upgrading the MKI's to a newer standard (which then will eventually leak to SM).

sepheronx wrote:More than likely it will. And something that escaped a lot of people about this deal is that it would further entice an agreement for upgrading the MKI's to a newer standard (which then will eventually leak to SM).

of course under make in india, Russia can be the biggest gainer along with private indian industry if Russia makes its moves and chooses local parters at right point of time. FGFA deal in this visit looks doubtful but hopefully some serious progress is made on this

MUMBAI: Anil Ambani-led Reliance Group is set to sign an agreement with Russian United Shipbuilding Company at Moscow on Thursday for manufacturing Rs 30,000 crore(5 b$) worth of four frigates for the Indian Navy, people close to the development told ET.

These four 'Talwar class' frontline warships will be built at Reliance Group's recently acquired Pipavav shipyard in Gujarat.

The deal, which coincides with Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Russia, involves building of warships in India and an arrangement for refitting and modernising all Indian Navy surface ships of Russian origin at Pipavav shipyard

The total potential of the deal is Rs 60,000 crore(10 b $) over the next ten years, a person in the know said.

India currently has 35 Russian and Soviet-made surface ships deployed by the navy.

Reliance Group's Reliance Infrastructure recently concluded an open offer for Pipavav Defence & Offshore Engineering Co, which took the company's shareholding in the latter to 35 per cent.


Reliance Infrastructure said recently that it plans to make its recent acquisition Pipavav Defence & Offshore exit corporate debt restructuring. Reliance Infrastructure acquired 18 per cent in the company from the promoters for Rs 819 crore, making its foray into the defence sector.

The company will be renamed Reliance Defence and Engineering in January 2016.

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/50302116.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Russian industry joining hands with Indian private sector is welcome step and wll give Russia advantage to maintain monopoly over Indian defence projects

AlmazAntey developed the S-400 Triumf air defence system that India plans to buy for about Rs 40,000 crore

Reliance Defence Limited and Russia's leading developer and manufacturer of air defence missile systems 'AlmazAntey' have decided to work jointly on the entire range of air defence missile and radar systems that are required for Indian defence forces.

AlmazAntey developed the S-400 Triumf air defence system that India plans to buy for about Rs 40,000 crore.

"The two sides identified the Air Defence Missile Systems including the TOR-1M Missile Program, Radars and Automated Control Systems as areas of partnership under the 'Make in India' as well as Offset Policies of the Indian Ministry of Defence," a statement by Anil Ambani Reliance Group said.

The two sides also discussed the joint implementation of modernization, repair and deep overhauls of AlmazAntey systems already in service with the Indian armed forces.

They also discussed R&D cooperation for developing new products in the defence sector, the statement said.

"Our proposed partnership will constitute an important milestone in the strategic relationship between the two countries," Ambani said.

Reliance Defence Ltd is a wholly owned subsidiary of Reliance Infrastructure Limited.

With industrial licenses for the full spectrum of military platforms, Reliance Defence is the fastest emerging private sector enterprise that is aiming for development, manufacture and supply of defence aerospace, land and naval platforms and equipment.


http://in.reuters.com/article/india-reliance-idINKBN0U70LP20151224

http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/reliance-almazantey-to-work-jointly-on-ad-missile-systems-115122400283_1.html

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi heads to Moscow after approving what’s set to be his nation’s biggest weapons deal with Russia since 2001, reaffirming a military partnership that newer suppliers like the U.S. will find difficult to dislodge.

The S-400 air defense missile systems, which India plans to buy, are among the "crown jewels" of Russia’s defense capability, according to Jon Grevatt, Asia-Pacific defense-industry analyst for IHS Jane’s. The two-day visit starting Dec. 23 will also include a private dinner with Russian President Vladimir Putin and an event at the Kremlin with Russian and Indian chief executives.


"Russia and India have a very strong partnership that the U.S. can only aspire to," said Grevatt. "Sales from America may ebb and flow, but the sales from Russia will remain strong because there are so many ongoing programs between the two countries.
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The $150 billion that Modi plans to spend to upgrade his military could be a welcome diversion for Putin, who’s bracing for a second year of recession amid Western sanctions. Although the U.S. emerged as India’s biggest defense supplier last fiscal year, the Asian nation’s links with Russia stretch back to their Soviet-era ties.


Putin hosts Modi in Moscow for the annual bilateral summit after visiting New Delhi last year. The leaders have also displayed a friendly rapport: Putin, who holds a black belt in judo, promised Modi he’d try yoga at a meeting earlier this year.

"The best thing is that he knows how to maintain relations," Modi said of Putin in an interview with Russia’s state-run TASS news service published Wednesday. "He has a special strength to sacrifice for the relations. It is rarely found," he said, predicting Russia’s global stature would grow and foster world peace.

Modi arrives on Wednesday evening in time for dinner with Putin. The two leaders hold their summit the following day before meeting with business leaders. Modi is also scheduled to visit Russia’s emergencies ministry and speak at a Friends-of-India event expected to draw 3,000 people before departing Thursday evening.

On the way home, he may stop by Kabul to inaugurate Afghanistan’s new parliament built by India, the Press Trust of India reported, citing people it didn’t identify.

Missile Shield

India’s defense acquisition panel last week approved the purchase of five S-400 systems. While the price is still to be negotiated, it’s likely to cost about $4.5 billion, a defense ministry official said, asking not to be identified because the detail isn’t public yet.

That would make it the biggest deal by value since 2001, when India agreed to buy 140 Su-30MK Sukhoi fighter jets, which the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute estimates to be worth as much as $5.4 billion.

"Beyond speed, it will also increase the ability of the Indian forces to engage multiple targets and at a long range," Anurag Garg, a director at PwC’s strategy consulting group, said of the S-400. "This is important to restore the strategic balance of power with China in the region and to have a credible defense against Pakistan’s fighters and ballistic missiles."
Russian Ties

Modi and Putin will discuss defense and nuclear cooperation, as well as ways to work together in oil and coal, India’s Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar told reporters on Tuesday. Indian Oil Chairman B. Ashok and Oil India Chairman U. P. Singh will accompany Modi, the companies’ spokesmen said on Tuesday.

Other potential deals from the trip include:

Kamov OAO may name an Indian partner to build 200 Ka-226T light military cargo helicopters in India; the deal may be valued at $1 billion, India TV reported

Lease of a second nuclear-powered attack submarine from Russia. First submarine was leased in 2012 for $1 billion over 10 years
Indian navy order for three Russian frigate warships. India paid about $1 billion for three Talwar-class frigates in 1997

Agreement to re-start joint development of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft, stalled for two years over cost differences. Estimated project value: $10 billion

About $7 billion worth of deals will be agreed during the visit, according to Konstantin Makienko, deputy director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, which advises Russia’s defense ministry. India would need to purchase the S-400s directly from the Russian government if it wants delivery by 2018, he added.

The U.S. surpassed Russia as India’s top supplier of defense equipment in the three years to March 2014, followed by France and Israel, according to the Indian government, which hasn’t provided more recent figures.
However, this doesn’t capture Russian components that India imports to use under license, according to Siemon Wezeman, a senior researcher at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

"Russia was the leader in India’s market, now it is one of the leaders," Makienko said by phone. "Modi’s visit can give a significant boost for Russian exports to India, because Russia is in some way an exclusive supplier, which offers joint production."


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-22/modi-seeks-russian-crown-jewel-in-decade-s-biggest-defense-deal

Interesting ...

Russia will deliver to India, anti-aircraft complexes "Tor-M1"

Viktor wrote:Interesting ...  

Russia will deliver to India, anti-aircraft complexes "Tor-M1"

lol hahahah this looks like some blog but its in russian,

According to sources, proposal for four Talwar class frigates – stealth warships with guided missiles - were on agenda for summit meeting between Modi and Russian president Vladimir Putin but didn't find mention in the two countries; joint statement.

Even as a $1 billion worth contract over manufacturing Kamov KA 226 light helicopters turns out the mainstay of India-Russia defence cooperation achieved during prime minister Narendra Modi's latest visit to Moscow that concluded on Thursday, two other prominent defence deals that were being looked at failed to get formalised.

According to sources, proposal for four Talwar class frigates – stealth warships with guided missiles - were on agenda for summit meeting between Modi and Russian president Vladimir Putin but didn't find mention in the two countries; joint statement.

Four frontline warships, sources said are to be built built at a cost of around Rs 30,000 crore at a private shipyard in Gujarat and a formal agreement was expected during PM's visit.

A partnership for refit and modernisation of all Indian Navy surface ships of Russian and Soviet origin too was expected on the discussion table but no announcement was made in this regard.Currently, there are 35 Russian / Soviet-origin surface ships in the Indian Navy fleet. The value of this business is estimated to be over Rs 35,000 crore. And the combined value of above two opportunities exceeded USD 10 Bn ( INR 66,000 Cr) over next ten years.

Besides, India's recent decision for purchase of nearly Rs 40,000 crore Russian S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems too didn't form a part of the joint declaration.

Ministry of Defence's Dfenec Acquisition Council had given a go-ahead for the Russian air defence systems on December 17.

Twin engine Kamov choppers are believed to become mainstay of Indian Army in mountaneous sectors for their unique utility and an agreement over them is the 'first major platform under Make in India.

A total of 16 agreements were signed between the two countries.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-two-major-defence-deals-that-couldn-t-fructify-during-narendra-modi-s-visit-to-russia-2159531

So did India sign to purchase S-400 or not?

sepheronx wrote:So did India sign to purchase S-400 or not?

well bro this deal is certainly on but not signed yet. this deal has been already approved for 5 number of systems by De fence ministry and cabinet committee on security for IAF but exact number, pricing will take some time. This deal is confirmed and big YES

sepheronx wrote:So did India sign to purchase S-400 or not?

well bro this deal is certainly on but not signed yet. this deal has been already approved for 5 number of systems by De fence ministry and cabinet committee on security for IAF but exact number, pricing will take some time. This deal is confirmed and big YES

Two Major Defence Deals that Couldn't Fructify During Narendra Modi's Visit to Russia

Even as a $1 billion worth contract over manufacturing Kamov KA 226 light helicopters turns out the mainstay of India-Russia defence cooperation achieved during prime minister Narendra Modi's latest visit to Moscow that concluded on Thursday, two other prominent defence deals that were being looked at failed to get formalized.

According to sources, proposal for four Talwar class frigates – stealth warships with guided missiles - were on agenda for summit meeting between Modi and Russian president Vladimir Putin but didn't find mention in the two countries; joint statement.

Four frontline warships, sources said are to be built built at a cost of around Rs 30,000 crore at a private shipyard in Gujarat and a formal agreement was expected during PM's visit.

A partnership for refit and modernisation of all Indian Navy surface ships of Russian and Soviet origin too was expected on the discussion table but no announcement was made in this regard.Currently, there are 35 Russian / Soviet-origin surface ships in the Indian Navy fleet. The value of this business is estimated to be over Rs 35,000 crore. And the combined value of above two opportunities exceeded USD 10 Bn ( INR 66,000 Cr) over next ten years.

Besides, India's recent decision for purchase of nearly Rs 40,000 crore Russian S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems too didn't form a part of the joint declaration.

Ministry of Defence's Dfenec Acquisition Council had given a go-ahead for the Russian air defence systems on December 17.
Twin engine Kamov choppers are believed to become mainstay of Indian Army in mountaneous sectors for their unique utility and an agreement over them is the 'first major platform under Make in India.A total of 16 agreements were signed between the two countries.

After being in the dark for several years on India’s geopolitical canvas, Russia is making an emphatic comeback as India’s trusted and strategic partner and is on course to reclaiming the position as top supplier of defence hardware. Strangely, it is Prime Minister Narendra Modi, seen as pro-America, who is making it happen.

“We have had excellent conversations over the past two days and very productive outcomes. It has deepened my conviction that this relationship truly meets the test of a special and privileged strategic partnership,” Mr. Modi said after talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow last week.

This visit bridges the widening gulf between the two sides in recent times and plays a role in reaffirming ties with India’s oldest strategic partner.

While both sides concluded 16 agreements across sectors, the most visible indicators of the renewed vigour in the partnership are in the defence sector. Russia still accounts for 70 per cent of Indian arsenal, but has in recent years been overtaken by Israel and the U.S. as the biggest hardware suppliers on an annual basis. Russia, however, still is the largest supplier due to spares and support for hardware in the inventory and the committed liabilities for programmes under way.

It is no coincidence that the country’s first major project under the government’s ambitious ‘Make in India’ will be the production of Kamov-226T utility helicopters in India. Under the agreement, 200 Ka-226T helicopters will be built in India for which Russian helicopters will partner with India’s Reliance group to execute the program.

“The Inter-Governmental Agreement on manufacture of Kamov 226 helicopter in India is the first project for a major defence platform under the Make in India mission. It is rightly with our most important defence partner,” Mr. Modi said addressing a press conference. While there was no announcement on the deal for five S-400 Triumf air defence systems estimated at $ 5-6 billion, senior defence officials said the process has just begun and price discovery has to be done as there are no other similar systems available in the market.

“It might take 3-4 months’ time,” one senior defence official told The Hindu.

Serious differences

Two of the most ambitious joint development projects — the Medium Transport Aircraft (MTA) and the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) — are, however, stuck due to serious differences.

The deal, under the 'Make in India' initiative is estimated to be worth $1 billion

Russia's Rostech State Corporation has tied up with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited for manufacture of at least 200 Kamov 226T light helicopters to replace the ageing fleet of Cheetah and Chetak, in a deal estimated to be worth $1 billion under the 'Make in India' initiative.

"The agreement with India is the result of the long work with our Indian partners," CEO of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, said.

"The organization for the manufacture of helicopters is provided by the creation of a Russian-Indian joint venture in India, which includes holdings of Rostec-JSC 'Rosoboronexport' and 'Russian Helicopters", and on the India side - the corporation 'HAL' (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited)," he said.

This is the first Russian-Indian high-tech project implemented by the Indian government within the framework of the 'Make in India' programme.

During the recent visit of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to Moscow, an agreement was signed between the two countries on cooperation in the field of helicopter manufacturing.

The document was signed in the presence of Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

According to the document, Rostec will organize in India the production of Russian Ka-226T and its modifications in the amount of not less than 200 units.

The agreement also provides for maintenance, operation and repair of helicopters.

Chemezov said that in future, the programme can be extended and both partners are considering the possibility of joint access to other markets as well.

Incidentally, Modi is set to inaugurate a new helicopter production facility of HAL at Tumkur in Karnataka on Sunday. Sources said that while the facility would be used for manufacture of Advanced Light Helicopters, Kamov could also be built there.

Defence Ministry had in August last year scrapped a scam-tainted tender worth over Rs 6,000 crore to procure 197 light utility helicopters for army and air force to replace the fleet of Cheetah and Chetak choppers, which are used to move troops and equipment to high-altitude locations like Siachen.

Following Russia's offer to manufacture Kamov in India, the Defence Acquisition Council, chaired by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, accepted it.

Though the initial order is only for 200 helicopters, it is likely to be increased later on.

In a report submitted to Parliament recently, the Comptroller and Auditor General of India said that out of the 181 Cheetah/Chetak helicopters held by the Army, 51 were 40 years or older and 78 were between 30-40 years old.

A group of army officers wives had in March this year urged the Defence Minister to stop the use of "outdated" Cheetah and Chetak helicopters, which have claimed a number of lives in mishaps.

http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/hal-ties-up-for-manufacturing-russian-kamov-helicopters-115122900475_1.html

India and Russia recently failed to agree on moving forward on a joint air transport project.

A joint Indo-Russian project to develop a new medium-airlift military transport aircraft, the UAC/HAL II-214 Multi-role Transport Aircraft (MTA), is “almost shelved,” according to an Indian Defense Ministry source interviewed by Defense News.

The recent December 23 meeting between Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin failed to break the “stalemate” over the MTA program, a joint venture for which both countries have co-founded a new company, the Multi Role Transport Aircraft Ltd., established by Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL), both of which invested $300 million in the project.

The new transport plane was expected to enter service by 2019. India was planning to purchase 45 and Russia around 100 aircraft. However, as of now, even the detailed design phase has not been worked out between UAC and HAL, despite a signed May 2012 general contract for the development of the aircraft.

“The transport aircraft [project] may be shelved because of three reasons. One is engine and secondly there are some internal conflicts in Russia between various stakeholders which is not allowing the desired progress. Thirdly, life of the AN-32 has been extended and the aircraft (upgraded),” according to a senior Indian Air Force official speaking to Defense News on the condition of anonymity.

“The MTA program is as good as dead, and a global tendering will take place,” he succinctly added. The Indian Air Force is not happy with the selection of the PD-14M turbofan engines and other technical decisions taken by Russian engineers.(Most importantly, India wants the MTA to operate in higher altitudes than the current technical configuration would allow.) The Russian side also wants to increase the program development budget, something that India vehemently opposes.

The senior Indian Air Force official also noted that operational lifespan of the Indian Air Force’s fleet of Antonov AN-32 transport aircraft has been extended from 25 to 40 years.

In 2009, the Indian Air Force signed a contract with Ukrspetsexport Corporation, Ukraine’s state-owned arms trading company, to upgrade its 104 AN-32 transport aircraft and extend their service life. The $400 million upgrades included improved avionics, modernization of the cockpit, and a payload capacity increase from 6.7 to 7.5 ton

Forty aircraft were upgraded in Ukraine, according to IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly, whereas 64 planes were to be domestically overhauled at the Indian Air Force’s base repair depot at Kanpur through 2017.

However, as I reported in March 2015 (See: “Did Ukraine Just Lose 5 Indian Air Force Planes?”), work in Kanpur had to be discontinued due to missing spare parts and the premature departure of Ukrainian engineers. It remains unclear whether work on the aircraft was continued in the following months.

Additionally, India is seeking to replace its aging fleet of 56 Avro transport planes. So far no contract has been awarded to defense firms bidding for the estimated $3.5 billion tender.

The Indian Air Force operates a host of different transport planes including five C-130 J Super Hercules, 17 Iljushin II-76s, a number of Dornier Do 228s, and more than a dozen Boeing C-17 Globemaster IIIs.

During the annual India-Russia summit, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi also failed to resolve an ongoing disagreement between the two countries over the future of a joint fifth generation fighter program (See: “India and Russia Fail to Resolve Dispute Over Fifth Generation Fighter Jet”).


http://thediplomat.com/2016/01/is-another-indo-russian-defense-deal-about-to-falter/

I think the india no money. play gm tatic?

Ru go alone

The Russian-Indian joint project for the creation of a military transport plane has been frozen, CEO of the Ilyushin company Sergey Velmozhkin told reporters on Wednesday.

"It has been frozen as a joint Russian-Indian project," the Ilyushin CEO said, commenting on the development of the plane that is also known as Il-214 and MTA.

The contract on Il-214 has not been concluded with the Defence Ministry yet. "The preliminary design is practically ready. We’ll offer it, but the decision depends on the customer. Experts confirm that there is a demand indeed for such aircraft. We hope to clarify the issue somehow by the middle of the year," the CEO said.

It was reported in early 2015 that Russia and India planned to agree in the third quarter of the year on the pre-contract documentation on the MTA program. The beginning of the main stage of the aircraft designing was planned for late 2015.

According to documents, MTA is classified as a medium military transport airplane handling the transport of a broad range of cargo weighing 20 tons, for a distance of over two thousand kilometres with dirt or paved runways.

The possibility of using the aircraft in high altitude (mountain) airports in different geographical or climatic conditions, day or night, in easy or adverse weather conditions is also being reviewed. As a military-transport aircraft, the MTA is designed to transport and para-drop personnel, cargoes, and technology on landing pads, and to drop off cargo without parachutes from low altitudes.

First published by TASS.

http://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2016/01/13/russian-indian-mta-project-frozen-manufacturer_559009

Indian Air Force Mi-17s Looking for Defensive Sensors

The Indian Air Force plans to equip its Mi-17 helicopters with small arms fire detection systems (SAFDS), which will warn pilots of the range, angle, and direction of incoming hostile ground fire. Mi-17s have recently been used for surveillance during domestic terror attacks, and during anti-Maoist operations in support of para-military forces. Kazan Helicopters will retrofit the equipment, once a vendor is identified and selected.

The ideal SAFDS will be a light-weight strap-on version that can be deployed on different airframes, have day-night and all-weather operation capability, and function in all phases of flight. The Indian Armyy and Border Security Force are evaluating SAFDS for use along the Line of Control and hostile stretches of the International Border.

if india went for the catapult landing for the new AC then MIG29 would be ruled out and is its arrested landing then MIG29K would be favorite to win this deal as already over 45 are in service with Indian Navy

Pinto wrote:if india went for the catapult landing for the new AC then MIG29 would be ruled out and is its arrested landing then MIG29K would be favorite to win this deal as already over 45 are in service with Indian Navy

You mean catapult takeoff? Coz unless its VTOL you always land by arrest. But you can take off by catapult or ramp. And there is no reason for MiG29K not to be able to be modified for catapult launches its fairly minor change.