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    RUSSIA - INDIA Military Contracts

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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:52 pm

    India Plans to Discuss Purchase of Two Russian Kilo-Class Submarines

    India's Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar announced plans to discuss the possible purchase of two Russian-made diesel-powered submarines during his upcoming visit to Russia, local media reported Wednesday.

    NEW DELHI (Sputnik) — Parrikar will travel to Russia on Friday and is planning to discuss the purchase of two Russian Kilo-class diesel-powered attack submarines of the Project 877 Paltus model, according to the Indian Tehelka news magazine.

    Russia's Project 877EKM is the export version of the Kilo-class submarine series. So far, a total of 18 submarines have been delivered to India, Iran, China, Poland, Romania and Algeria.

    Currently, India already operates nine submarines of this kind.

    India and Russia have enjoyed good relations since the 1960s underpinned by Russia's position as New Delhi’s foremost military supplier, particularly in the post-Cold War era.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20151028/1029221829/india-russian-subs-kilo-class.html#ixzz3psGJk7CF
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    Post  Pinto Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:35 am

    India is considering the possibility of leasing a Russia-made Akula II-class submarine, according to serving officer in the Indian Navy Cmdr. Abhijit Singh.

    India will discuss leasing Russia-made submarines at the meeting of the India-Russia Intergovernmental Commission for Military-Technical Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) on November 2, serving officer in the Indian Navy Cmdr. Abhijit Singh told Sputnik on Saturday.

    On Friday, India's Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar arrived in Moscow to discuss military and technical cooperation within the framework of IRIGC-MTC.

    "There will be discussions for the leasing of an Akula II-class submarine. This has been under consideration for some time," Singh said.


    In 2010, India began a 10-year lease of the nuclear-powered attack Akula-class submarine Nerpa. After joining India's Navy, the submarine was renamed to INS Chakra.


    India and Russia have enjoyed good relations since the 1960s, underpinned by Russia's position as New Delhi’s foremost military supplier, particularly in the post-Cold War era.

    IRIGC-MTC was established in 2000 to enhance bilateral cooperation in the military sphere. It is co-chaired by Parrikar and his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu.


    http://in.sputniknews.com/south_asia/20151031/1016242263/india-russia-submarines-akula.html
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    Post  Pinto Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:16 am

    India seals Rs 70,000 crores missile deal with Russia

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    New Delhi, Nov 2 (UNI) In what could easily be said the biggest ever defence deal with Russia, India has stitched a contract to acquire S-400 anti-ballistic missile systems from Moscow at a cost of around Rs 70,000 crores, top sources in the Defence Ministry said here today.

    The modalities, including the price of deal and number of systems to be acquired, were agreed upon in the meeting of India-Russia Inter Governmental Commission on Military-Technical-Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) which concluded today in Moscow, with Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar co-chairing it jointly with his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu.

    The mega deal, along with an agreement to get another nuclear submarine, is likely to be formally signed during the visit to Russia of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who would be travelling to Moscow sometime in December for an annual summit with President Vladimir Putin, the sources told UNI.

    Read more at http://www.uniindia.com/india-seals-rs-70-000-cr-missile-deal-with-russia/india/news/257832.html#DJM1EVcOzV6WQ6iO.99

    Oh damn this is some big money around 11 b $ and might be for numbers larger then the expected.

    Long live India- Russia friendship
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    Post  Pinto Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:04 pm

    India seals Rs 70,000 crores missile deal with Russia

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    New Delhi, Nov 2 (UNI) In what could easily be said the biggest ever defence deal with Russia, India has stitched a contract to acquire S-400 anti-ballistic missile systems from Moscow at a cost of around Rs 70,000 crores, top sources in the Defence Ministry said here today.

    The modalities, including the price of deal and number of systems to be acquired, were agreed upon in the meeting of India-Russia Inter Governmental Commission on Military-Technical-Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) which concluded today in Moscow, with Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar co-chairing it jointly with his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu.

    The mega deal, along with an agreement to get another nuclear submarine, is likely to be formally signed during the visit to Russia of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who would be travelling to Moscow sometime in December for an annual summit with President Vladimir Putin, the sources told UNI.

    Read more at http://www.uniindia.com/india-seals-rs-70-000-cr-missile-deal-with-russia/india/news/257832.html#DJM1EVcOzV6WQ6iO.99

    Oh damn this is some big money around 11 b $ and might be for numbers larger then the expected.

    Long live India- Russia friendship

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    Post  Austin Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:12 pm

    Wait till Indian MOD confirms it
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    Post  artjomh Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:31 pm

    India is pretty famous for wagging these ridiculously massive contracts around and then scaling them down to realistic proportions.

    MMRCA went from a $12 billion 126 aircraft contract to $4.3 billion 36 aircraft contract.

    Don't believe the hype.
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    Post  Pinto Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:18 pm

    This news has been given by UNI and its govt of india news service. secondly i think the deal of 11 b $ is for total contracts including nuclear sub on lease, armored vehicles 149 nos and many more stuck deal like this to be signed in December
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    Post  jhelb Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:23 pm

    Pinto wrote:This news has been given by UNI and its govt of india news service. secondly i think the deal of 11 b $ is for total contracts including nuclear sub on lease, armored vehicles 149 nos and many more stuck deal like this to be signed in December

    10 S 400 will at best cost $ 6 billion

    1 nuclear sub on lease say $ 2 billion

    149 BMP 2 around $ 200 million

    Where is the remaining $2 - $2.5 billion going?

    Anyway this is one mother fucker of a deal. russia
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    Post  jhelb Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:35 pm

    artjomh wrote:India is pretty famous for wagging these ridiculously massive contracts around and then scaling them down to realistic proportions.

    MMRCA went from a $12 billion 126 aircraft contract to $4.3 billion 36 aircraft contract.

    Don't believe the hype.

    I am gonna wager that with S-400 in place India might never buy more than those 36 Rafales. Because by placing S-400 even 100kms inside their territory India can effectively shut down Pakistan and Chinese AF bases within a 300km radius.

    That aside at $250 million a pop Rafale, Typhoon doesn't come cheap. Just that our Indian friends are bad with numbers. Smile
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    Post  victor1985 Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:32 pm

    [quote="Pinto"]India seals Rs 70,000 crores missile deal with Russia

    Read more at India seals Rs 70,000 cr missile deal with Russia

    New Delhi, Nov 2 (UNI) In what could easily be said the biggest ever defence deal with Russia, India has stitched a contract to acquire S-400 anti-ballistic missile systems from Moscow at a cost of around Rs 70,000 crores, top sources in the Defence Ministry said here today.

    The modalities, including the price of deal and number of systems to be acquired, were agreed upon in the meeting of India-Russia Inter Governmental Commission on Military-Technical-Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) which concluded today in Moscow, with Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar co-chairing it jointly with his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu.

    The mega deal, along with an agreement to get another nuclear submarine, is likely to be formally signed during the visit to Russia of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who would be travelling to Moscow sometime in December for an annual summit with President Vladimir Putin, the sources told UNI.

    Read more at http://www.uniindia.com/india-seals-rs-70-000-cr-missile-deal-with-russia/india/news/257832.html#DJM1EVcOzV6WQ6iO.99

    Oh damn this is some big money around 11 b $ and might be for numbers larger then the expected.

    Long live India- Russia friendship

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    But they want f16 from usa. They know something. They claim is better with f16. Russia should stick to pakistan. But paki also work with usa then better is to actually WORK with usa.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:00 pm

    victor1985 wrote:
    But they want f16 from usa. They know something. They claim is better with f16. Russia should stick to pakistan. But paki also work with usa then better is to actually WORK with usa.

    What?

    No.  They don't.  A variant of F-16 is being pitched to India.  Not that India is wanting it.
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    Post  Pinto Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:22 am

    [quote="victor1985"]
    Pinto wrote:India seals Rs 70,000 crores missile deal with Russia

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    But they want f16 from usa. They know something. They claim is better with f16. Russia should stick to pakistan. But paki also work with usa then better is to actually WORK with usa.


    India has been offered both F 16 and F 18 latest version since past many years with offer to manufacture them in India but India has always rejected this offer as IAF is not interested
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    Post  Pinto Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:30 am

    jhelb wrote:
    Pinto wrote:This news has been given by UNI and its govt of india news service. secondly i think the deal of 11 b $ is for total contracts including nuclear sub on lease, armored vehicles 149 nos and many more stuck deal like this to be signed in December

    10 S 400 will at best cost $ 6 billion

    1 nuclear sub on lease say $ 2 billion

    149 BMP 2 around $ 200 million

    Where is the remaining $2 - $2.5 billion going?

    Anyway this is one mother fucker of a deal. russia  

    Looks like the remaining amount will be used for 2 kilo class latest sub and upgrades of all IL 76 transport and re fuelers aircraft
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    Post  victor1985 Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:45 am

    [quote="sepheronx"][quote="victor1985"]
    But they want f16 from usa. They know something. They claim is better with f16. Russia should stick to pakistan. But paki also work with usa then better is to actually WORK with usa.[/quote]

    What?

    No.  They don't.  A variant of F-16 is being pitched to India.  Not that India is wanting it.[/quote]


    You know what. I saw the military indian forum. Is full of pro americans comments. So you know. Forget about them
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    Post  Pinto Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:00 am

    victor1985 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    victor1985 wrote:
    But they want f16 from usa. They know something. They claim is better with f16. Russia should stick to pakistan. But paki also work with usa then better is to actually WORK with usa.

    What?

    No.  They don't.  A variant of F-16 is being pitched to India.  Not that India is wanting it.


    You know what. I saw the military indian forum. Is full of pro americans comments. So you know. Forget about them

    when ever the india's dispute and threat from china will come India will always use US influence to counter them as china is hugely arming Pakistan too and India needs to protect its interests too. Russia if sold real punch weapon system to pak then it will force india to look for its arms else where and it will be a diplomatic and huge business loss for Russia as pak can never compensate India big orders which it gives to russia for arms

    Russia always sells its high tech weapons to china too but india never objected but with pakistan its different ball game

    If you are so fond of supplying arms to pak then you can try this
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    Post  victor1985 Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:52 am

    Well i am not upset on russia supply on pak or india. As long as one at least of them dont pick f16 and work with russia. But ... wouldnt be better that russia could sell weapons to all 3 countryes with no problem? Also ive looking at india and see that they are zen like with peace and so on. This in time that eu and usa has a agressive mentality. Why india didnt choosen a agressive and self interest centered mentality from the beginning? Now is too late...
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    Post  Pinto Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:04 am

    victor1985 wrote:Well i am not upset on russia supply on pak or india. As long as one at least of them dont pick f16 and work with russia. But ... wouldnt be better that russia could sell weapons to all 3 countryes with no problem? Also ive looking at india and see that they are zen like with peace and so on. This in time that eu and usa has a agressive mentality. Why india didnt choosen a agressive and self interest centered mentality from the beginning? Now is too late...

    India always had independent foreign policy but a certain bias towards Russia always and its same even today. India supported Russia in Ukraine and Crimea issue despite pressure from US N west

    India will never buy front like critical weapon system from US like a fighter aircraft neither can US force us

    Since past 2 yrs reports in media said Indo-Russian defence ties are a thing of the past and US/Euro Consortium will replace Russia as a Defence partner for India. With T90M Bhishma, 2nd Nuclear Sub, S400, Pakfa/ PMF FGFA the book order will dwarf everything else. Indo-Russian ties are stronger than ever. The only issue is we are "Indian" customers and they are Russian sellers. Their policy of tech transfer and system development differs from the west which poses problems for us. But that doesn't change the reality, that Russia provides us with technologies that we still cannot imagine to obtain from US, Germans or the French











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    Post  victor1985 Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:43 am

    I cant understand what you are saying. You are russian or indian cause your post is confusing.
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    Post  victor1985 Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:57 am

    I readed comentary you make. I espect further clarifications on this issue. For example where india and russia arent quite agree and what are the possible solutions.
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    Post  Pinto Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:45 am

    victor1985 wrote:I readed comentary you make. I espect further clarifications on this issue. For example where india and russia arent quite agree and what are the possible solutions.

    i am indian bro Smile

    Russia and India disagreements are not over any international topic

    They are bilateral like late supplies of defence weapon sytems, Su30 MKI spare parts erratic suppy, Medium rols transport aircraft agreed in 2009 but no progress so far

    India ready to buy off shelf around 60 T50 fighters despite spending on the design of FGFA with Russia over 230 mill $ but Russia has still not even allowed IAF to fly them let alone testing them it means FGFA will get delayed beyond 2022 and india has reduced order of rafales and instead wish to spend saved money on FGFA

    There are teething problems in Russian- Indian bilateral defense ties no major area of disagreement as such

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    Post  par far Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:09 pm

    Pinto wrote:India seals Rs 70,000 crores missile deal with Russia

    Read more at India seals Rs 70,000 cr missile deal with Russia

    New Delhi, Nov 2 (UNI) In what could easily be said the biggest ever defence deal with Russia, India has stitched a contract to acquire S-400 anti-ballistic missile systems from Moscow at a cost of around Rs 70,000 crores, top sources in the Defence Ministry said here today.

    The modalities, including the price of deal and number of systems to be acquired, were agreed upon in the meeting of India-Russia Inter Governmental Commission on Military-Technical-Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) which concluded today in Moscow, with Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar co-chairing it jointly with his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu.

    The mega deal, along with an agreement to get another nuclear submarine, is likely to be formally signed during the visit to Russia of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who would be travelling to Moscow sometime in December for an annual summit with President Vladimir Putin, the sources told UNI.

    Read more at http://www.uniindia.com/india-seals-rs-70-000-cr-missile-deal-with-russia/india/news/257832.html#DJM1EVcOzV6WQ6iO.99

    Oh damn this is some big money around 11 b $ and might be for numbers larger then the expected.

    Long live India- Russia friendship


    Do we know what India is buying exactly because I don't think the S 400 and the submarine alone is worth $11 billion. I really wish India would purchase small arms and modern snipers(modern Russian sniper rifles are second to none, they are the very best).
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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:25 pm

    Pinto wrote:i am indian bro Smile

    Russia and India disagreements are not over any international topic

    They are bilateral like late supplies of defence weapon sytems, Su30 MKI spare parts erratic suppy, Medium rols transport aircraft agreed in 2009 but no progress so far

    India ready to buy off shelf around 60 T50 fighters despite spending on the design of FGFA with Russia over 230 mill $ but Russia has still not even allowed IAF to fly them let alone testing them it means FGFA will get delayed beyond 2022 and india has reduced order of rafales and instead wish to spend saved money on FGFA

    There are teething problems in Russian- Indian bilateral defense ties no major area of disagreement as such

    IAF doesn't get to fly them, because they're still in the development stage, why would you want to fly and test them now?

    And how would not testing them yet translate to being delayed beyond 2022, last i checked things are still on track, FGFA will be ready by 2017/18, i don't see it even being delayed to 2020 much less beyond 2022.

    Rafale was a complete and total waist of time, Dassault didn't want to upgrade Mirage so instead they pushed for Rafale, which was considered to expensive, so India had MMRCA, but then chose Rafale because of some stupid obsession with French aircraft, which cost more then double the allocated funds for MMRCA (8~10 Billoin), in the end Modi canceled that crap and made a deal for 36 fighter for around the original price in exchange for upgrading there Mirage fleet (8~10B).

    So no, India didn't save squat, in fact they're wasting more now because they're also upgrading the Mig-21 fleet.

    George1 wrote:Mirage 2000 fighter aircraft to be upgraded with multi-function displays

    India will extend the operation of the MiG-21 to 2020[/b]
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    Post  Pinto Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:41 pm

    well the exact details of this huge contract in bifurcation will be known when signed in first week of December when Indian PM meets President PM. But this 11 b & may include

    Each system cost $500 mil ,and India is possibly going to use some $5-6 Bil to buy 10 Nos S-400s

    $900 mil-1 Bill $ for new SSN Kashalot.

    $1 Bil for Ka-226

    New BMP-2s(149 I think) - amount ?

    2 Kilo class submarines  amount ?

    upgrade of existing kilo class submarines in IN fleet- amount ?

    Upgrade of Su 30mki

    so this seems to be whole package but not yet clear includes which of the above items

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    Post  Pinto Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:17 pm

    do you have links to support that FGFA will be ready for testing in 2 yrs time ? what we know is India is forced to but ready to fly from Russia T 50 because FGFA won't be ready anytime before 2022-23 because

    http://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2015/09/16/india-wants-a-ride-on-the-t-50_397177

    if its true then rafale deal will be over by 36 aircraft. mig 21 are bing upgraded just like jaguars so as to keep the minimum required strength of IAF flying till deal with Russia over FGFA is finalized and hopefully in december we may have this deal signed
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:51 pm

    FGFA never changed schedual. What changed was when Modi gor in, he wants to replace a lot of the older jets sooner and PAK FA is close(r) to fielding than FGFA and so opted for that. Added that they dont have to invest nearly as much and still get tech transfer.

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