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    Post  Kiko Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:27 pm

    Most probably we'll never know the whole truth.

    WP reported on Trump-Putin conversation, 11.10.2024.

    Trump called Putin and asked him not to escalate, reminding him of the American troops in Europe, WP claims. Peskov noted that Trump is in the mood for deals and talks about peace, not confrontation.

    US President-elect Donald Trump held a telephone conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin, the topic was the conflict in Ukraine, the Washington Post reports, citing sources.

    Trump advised Putin "not to escalate" the armed conflict and reminded him of the significant US military presence in Europe, one of the sources told the publication. According to several sources, the presidents discussed achieving peace on the continent, and the future American leader expressed interest in further talks to discuss "a speedy resolution of the war in Ukraine."

    The Ukrainian government was aware of the conversation between Trump and Putin and did not object to it, informed officials told WP, ​​explaining that they “long understood” that the Republican would work with Putin to resolve the conflict diplomatically.

    It was the first conversation between the two politicians since the Republican's victory in the US elections five days ago.

    RBC asked Dmitry Peskov for comment.


    Back on Thursday, November 7, Trump said that by that time he had spoken with the leaders of 70 countries , including Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. A WP source from Ukraine called the conversation pleasant, Zelensky thanked billionaire Elon Musk, who was present during the phone call, for the Starlink satellite communication terminals.

    During the election campaign, Trump promised to achieve an end to the conflict between Russia and Ukraine even before his inauguration (which will take place on January 20), and at times the politician promised to do this within 24 hours.

    His promises were viewed with skepticism both in Moscow and Kiev. "Of course, it was a kind of exaggeration when he said that he would do this [end the conflict in a day]," said the Russian president's spokesman Dmitry Peskov. He also noted that the Republican "at least talks about peace," not confrontation, and does not talk about the desire to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia, which "favorably distinguishes him from the current administration."

    Zelensky expressed confidence that the idea of ​​“quickly resolving” the conflict would mean “losses for Ukraine.”

    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/11/2024/67310d5f9a7947842b280573

    This conversation took place last Thursday.
    On the other hand, Volodymyr conducted a massive drone (failed) attack on Saturday night, that is, two days after Donald's telephone call to Putin.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:46 am


    At the same time, without collusion, most Western publications yesterday came out with materials devoted to the future relations between Russia and the USA, as well as the prospects for ending the conflict in Ukraine . Here are just a few of the main messages and headlines:

    Correct me if I am wrong but those news outlets are all anti Trump, so their accusations are just based on their own stereotype of Trump being a Russian Stooge.... and an easy out for them too... the only reason Russia wins in the Ukraine is because Trump let them... ridiculous really.

    NATzO has engaged all the pressure it can short of war already on Russia. How is Trump going to pressure Putin? By making demands?

    Exactly. Boosting support and sending weapons wont make a lot of difference... the extra money will be stolen and the weapons will likely get blown up in warehouses before it can be sent to the front.

    If the US tries to surge aide and support Russia can just take out the entire electrical grid completely and then start dropping bridges and water supplies and other essentials they have been leaving intact for humanitarian reasons.

    There is nothing that Trump can do to fix this outside of a nuclear war.

    The best thing he can do is start calling it Bidens war and say it is bleeding billions of dollars of US taxpayers money for no real benefit for US taxpayers.

    Destroying relations with Russia who supply uranium and titanium and all sorts of other resources the US needs and wants, to be friends with the most corrupt state in Europe that tolerates nazis and other freaks, who banned opposition parties and banned a language and is banning religion... how undemocratic can you get?

    The US has taken great care to distance itself from the conflict in terms of participation so cutting all funding to the Ukraine might be his best option... he has ended the US participation in the war at the stroke of a pen... that wont take 24 hours... let Kiev and the EU sort it out... pull out all US personnel... those who stay are on their own.

    If he goes the other way and escalates by allowing long range missiles and sends weapons and ammo and money, Russia can state that the US is a part of the conflict and the US embassy can be gutted down how ever many floors it goes down underground.

    Killing Americans will affect Trump.... killing more Ukrainians... he wont care... as far as he is concerned it is all Russians killing Russians.

    Regarding Putins comments about Harris and Trump, he is correct... Harris is more predictable, but more importantly in the past Putin has never indicated who he preferred as a leader of a foreign country and has explained that for him to say which he prefers is election meddling. From his point of view it is also counter productive because if he gives a preference then those that oppose him in the foreign country are unlikely to take his advice and might vote the other way, meaning they will vote for the one he doesn't want to win. Ultimately he normally says that it is not up to him to decide that that the registered voters in that country should make up their own minds.

    I rather suspect Putin is not going to go crawling to Trump to fix things, he will expect Trump to go to him and to offer real concessions if he wants any deal.

    Putins position is that everything is going right and it is only a matter of time and the right blows at the right time.

    Kiev just launched some drones... Putin can respond by making Kievs situation even worse...
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    Post  Kiko Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:34 am

    Kremlin Shoots Down ‘False’ Reports About Alleged Putin-Trump Conversation, 11.11.2024.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - There was no conversation between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President-elect Donald Trump, and all reports about it are false, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Monday.

    Earlier in the day, the Washington Post claimed, citing sources, that Trump allegedly had a phone conversation with Putin on November 7.

    "This is the most obvious example of the quality of the information that is now being published, sometimes even in fairly reputable outlets. This is completely untrue. This is pure fiction. This is just false information," Peskov told reporters, answering a relevant question.

    There are no concrete plans for any talks between Putin and Trump as of yet, the spokesman clarified.

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20241111/kremlin-says-putin-trump-held-no-conversation-reports-about-it-false-1120852157.html

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    Post  Kiko Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:50 pm

    Diplomat explains purpose of 'duck' about Putin-Trump conversation, by Anastasia Kulikova for VZGLYAD. 11.11.2024.

    Diplomat Dolgov: The Washington Post launched a "duck" about the conversation between Putin and Trump to assess the reaction.

    Following Donald Trump's election victory, a series of publications appeared in the Western press about the plan his team was developing for Ukraine. The reports about the alleged conversation between the newly elected US president and Vladimir Putin are a hoax as part of this campaign to test the international reaction, diplomat Konstantin Dolgov told the Vzglyad newspaper. Earlier, the Kremlin called Trump's conversation with Putin "pure fiction."

    "The Washington Post publication is a hoax, launched by the newspaper to show off. Moreover, the publication's reports were rejected by other Western media," said Konstantin Dolgov, former deputy permanent representative of Russia to the UN. In his opinion, the goal of the WP was to test the international reaction. The interlocutor recalled a series of publications in the press about Donald Trump's team developing a plan for Ukraine. "I think that there will be a lot of such information leaks now," the expert predicts.

    "In general, telephone conversations between politicians are a normal process. Therefore, a conversation between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump can take place at any time if the relevant agreements are reached," Dolgov added. However, in his opinion, in this case, two factors should be taken into account.

    The first is a substantive basis for dialogue. The interlocutor recalled that the Russian president confirmed his readiness to talk with Western leaders. “Another thing is that these contacts should be significant and lead to some results that ensure Russia’s interests and our security,” Dolgov emphasized. In addition, the agenda of Putin’s conversation with Trump – in addition to the Ukrainian crisis – includes a number of other issues.

    At the same time, rumours about a conversation between Putin and Trump may influence some European leaders. Thus, Olaf Scholz has already announced his desire to call the Russian leader. "The entire ruling elite of Europe is completely dependent on the United States. They have their noses in the wind. If Washington's line somehow changes, then, of course, the Europeans will try to adapt. Another thing is that they have problems not with Russia, but with their own voters," the interlocutor noted.

    The second factor is Trump's status. The diplomat pointed out that the newly elected US president cannot officially take a single step before the inauguration. At the same time, the Republican's steps cannot be insignificant - he did win the election after all. "However, the "lame" administration of Joe Biden will continue to work until January 20. Less and less depends on it, but in the remaining few months they can still "add fuel to the fire," the speaker reasons.

    Therefore, according to the diplomat, Moscow should, firstly, be prepared for various kinds of provocations, and secondly, not place its hopes on immediate practical actions from Trump. “It seems to me that history has taught us not to rely on help from the West. Therefore, we will continue to solve our problems. Russia is working to win. And it will not depend on Washington’s position,” Dolgov concluded.

    Earlier, it became known about an alleged conversation between the Russian president and Donald Trump. According to The Washington Post , the dialogue took place on Thursday, November 7. The publication's sources claim that Trump called on the Russian leader "not to escalate the situation in Ukraine" and also reminded him of the significant US military presence in Europe.

    According to WP sources, Putin and Trump discussed achieving peace on the continent, and the future American leader expressed interest in further talks to discuss a speedy resolution to the Ukrainian crisis.

    The article also states that the Ukrainian government was allegedly informed about the call and did not object to it. However, Kiev rejected this information. "Reports that the Ukrainian side was informed in advance about the probable call are false. Accordingly, Ukraine could not support the call or oppose it," Ukrainian Foreign Ministry spokesman Georgiy Tykhyi told Reuters.

    Moreover, the Kremlin called the reports about Trump's conversation with Putin "pure fiction." "This is the most obvious example of the quality of the information that is now being published, sometimes even in fairly respected publications. This is completely untrue," said Dmitry Peskov, commenting on the WP publication.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/11/11/1297365.html

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:29 am

    It was a fishing exercise to see what the US and international public and politicians think of some ideas.

    It is so they don't go into discussions offering too much or too little and having a problem at home about being too weak or too hard line to achieve a solution.

    Ironic that this sort of fake news is never censored in the west.
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    Post  Kiko Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:39 am

    Bluff of the Century: Russia Fails to Be Fooled a Second Time, by Kirill Strelnikov for RiaNovosti. 11.17.2024.

    Last Thursday, US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin presented a report to Congress on an updated US nuclear weapons strategy that was supposed to be the final piece of a cunning multi-move strategy aimed at depriving Russia of its most powerful argument, but ended up being Biden’s official dying whisper.

    The collective West recalls with deep nostalgia the times of the so-called detente, when they managed to fool the then leadership of the USSR with beautiful words about peace throughout the world, mountains of chewing gum and people-brothers who will now, instead of wars, walk in circles holding hands with songs. As a result, for several thousand containers with "Bush legs" we voluntarily lost half of our nuclear arsenal and took on a bunch of restrictions, and the West happily received the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, untied hands on the missile defense project and a significant advantage in nuclear carriers and warheads, which ultimately led to strategic expansion and NATO's approach right up to our borders.

    But time has passed, and the new Russia under President Putin has not only made up for lost ground in nuclear deterrence, but has left its geopolitical adversaries far behind. Despite this, unambiguous warnings about the West's red lines in the Ukraine conflict , which rely on our nuclear capabilities, have provoked a storm of ridicule in the Western media and assurances from all sorts of talking heads that this is all "Putin's last desperate bluff" that can be wiped on.

    Our leadership has always been indifferent to what the Western media writes, and, as life has shown, our messages have reached the right addressees. In particular, this was let slip at the recent NATO summit in Prague by the head of the NATO military committee, Rob Bauer, who stated with a straight face that "if the Russians did not have nuclear weapons, we would already be in Ukraine and throw them out of there."

    When on September 25 of this year, at a meeting of the Russian Security Council, Vladimir Putin announced changes to Russia's nuclear doctrine, according to which Moscow can now use the "nuclear option" in the event of an acute crisis in relations with the West, as well as in the situation surrounding the conflict in Ukraine, laughter and caustic jokes were replaced by an increased demand for private anti-radiation bunkers in the United States and throughout Europe.

    After a two-week pause filled with muffled backstage fighting and muffled cries of "It's your fault!" and "No, you!" Joe Biden clambered onto the stage and declared that "the United States is ready to negotiate with Russia, China and the DPRK on nuclear arms reduction without preconditions."

    The reason for Washington's sudden peacefulness most likely lies in the content of recent reports from several authoritative think tanks - the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, the US Naval Institute and others, which have described in detail the bleak (for the West) picture of parity between NATO and Russia in the area of ​​nuclear weapons.

    According to experts, purely quantitatively, parity in nuclear warheads between Russia and NATO is still maintained: 5,759 for NATO versus 5,889 for Russia. However, the West is greatly disappointed by the capabilities and characteristics of our nuclear forces, which they will most likely never be able to catch up with.

    For example, the Minuteman III ballistic missile, which is the basis of the US nuclear triad, is based on technologies from the 1970s and has only one warhead. True, in early November the US conducted a test launch of the Minuteman with three warhead mockups, but the first test results will not be announced until a year later. The missile's range is 9,600 kilometres.

    Russia, in turn, is in full swing replacing the main ICBM "Voevoda" (in the Western classification - "Satan") with the ICBM "Sarmat", which is capable of carrying 14 (!) warheads, each of which is protected from missile defence and moves along its own controlled trajectory, that is, it is guaranteed that it is impossible to shoot them all down. One such missile can turn the state of Texas into liquid glass , which is why it was called "Satan squared" in the West. The missile's range is 15,000 kilometres.

    Roughly the same picture is observed for other families of traditional US nuclear weapons, against the backdrop of the fact that the overall percentage of modern Russian nuclear deterrents has already reached 94 percent.

    As for Russia's "non-traditional" nuclear weapons, the authors of the reports are literally screaming, because here we are no longer talking about a head start, but about a completely blind zone for the West, in which the hypersonic "Avangard" falls from the sky like a red-hot meteorite on the enemy's heads, and the predatory "Burevestnik" with a nuclear heart circles the Earth for years in orbit. According to Western experts, we are rapidly developing several more lines of "exotic" nuclear weapons with the names "Gradient" and "Anchar", the potential capabilities of which are strictly classified. This was indirectly confirmed on November 7 during the plenary session of the Valdai Discussion Club by Vladimir Putin, who casually reported that Russia has new developments in the field of nuclear weapons, but "it is too early to talk about this."

    The West simply has no methods against Russia's nuclear forces - and that is why Biden called on Russia to urgently disarm. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated bluntly: "US President Joe Biden's words about Washington's readiness to negotiate with Russia on reducing nuclear weapons without preconditions are a lie."

    Biden's bluff didn't work, and Austin, in his report, instead of the news that Russia had been duped again, sadly wrote: "The United States will abide by the basic provisions of the START treaty - as long as Russia continues to do the same."

    In turn, Vladimir Putin said that in any case, "Russia will continue to improve its nuclear deterrent forces," although it does not intend to get involved in an arms race. At the same time, information came that the START-3 treaty will not be extended.

    As one of the characters in Gentlemen of Fortune said, "Did I tell you I'd throw you down the stairs? Well, don't be offended."

    https://ria.ru/20241117/oruzhie-1984186747.html
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    Post  Kiko Sun Dec 08, 2024 11:28 am

    Trump meeting in Paris with Volodymyr, Manu & Salome does not fare well for his peacemaking efforts with Moscow.
    Very immature and naive.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 08, 2024 12:28 pm

    The naivety is yours if you ever thought that he was gonna

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