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    Serbia’s relations with EU and NATO

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    Post  Begome Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:39 am

    Isos wrote:And Russia can't help Serbia in any form since they are surrounded by nato. Maybe if they take Ukraine and Moldova, Romania and Hungary, will allow some land connexions with more militaty and economical help.
    Check out the discussion in the SMO thread #36 (current one) pages 38 and 39, where it is pointed out that due to the specifics of the Danube Convention Russia would only have to take Odessa oblast in order to connect to Serbia and Hungary.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:45 am

    Can you provide some proofs about that ?

    If they pay 10k€ for every employee they would be bankrupt. Foreign companies bring jobs there. Of course west take advantage in that process but no one obliges you to work there or welcome them.

    Serbia is already facing a harsh reality of its population fleeing to germany massively and is desperatly trying to stop that. Plenty of villages are getting empty.

    The ties with Russia are nothing compare to their ties with west. So don't expect them to support Russia in a war that has no connexion to them and loose all the western investements.

    And Russia can't help Serbia in any form since they are surrounded by nato. Maybe if they take Ukraine and Moldova, Romania and Hungary, will allow some land connexions with more militaty and economical help.

    But till then Serbia is irrevelent for Russia and vice versa.

    Germany has decided to de-industrialize itself on US instructions, robbing itself of cheap energy for its industries, its investments and contracts in the Russian market, and perhaps now sacrificing the reputation of its defense-industry hardware as well.
    So that should stop the outflow of Serbs to it. And of everyone else, once that process starts to bite and the remaining jobs are prioritized for Germans themselves.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:31 am

    And they are afraid of instability in the Balkans. Very much so. Which makes their threats against Serbia empty. Yeah they can cause trouble in Kosovo. But they won't risk bombing Serbia again in a time like this. More countries are sympathetic to Serbia than just Russia. But they need to make it clear that their sovereignty and dignity is non-negotiable.

    There are plenty of countries in the EU that are desperately afraid that what happened in Kosovo could happen to them... they have seperatists who just need funding and support and could become quite a problem for that country that would very much sympathise with Serbia, if for no other reason that the precedent could bite them in the arse.

    Everyone is happy to ignore the conflict in South Ossetia started the same year Kosovos government declared independence (no public referendum was held so its results can be ignored of course), because that caused Russia to open its borders to South Ossetia and made Sakashvili panic and invade... Russia closing its borders kept SO dependent on Georgia but when Russia opened its borders then separatism became rather more viable proposition and of course georgia sealed the deal with their clumsy attempt to get a result by force.

    Frankly, I don't have much confidence in Vucic or our government...or our politicians in general.

    Most politicians are slimy, but don't make the mistake of thinking actions are a sign of weakness because Serbia is in a very weak position and cannot out muscle the west no matter how much it might want to. You play the cards you are given, and like Putin in the early years there are a lot of buildings burning and just one fire engine... some things just need to burn longer while the more vital stuff is dealt with.

    Europe is going to be finding tough times ahead with lack of affordable energy and the US pinching all their industries, European industry can either move to the US or to China... or Russia where energy is going to remain stable and reliable and relatively cheap. Hahahaha.

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    Post  littlerabbit Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:58 pm

    @ Isos


    15 years ago, our govenrnment made a law bill about those "bonuses" to foreign companies, tax free business for first few years, free energy, water, sewage connections etc...  confused

    Our own private firms don't get those bonuses, only foreigners.  sniper

    There were some serious critics in our media and public, but politicians didn't change their minds, so far.

    We wasted too much money on that shit and still wasting every year.

    In some foreign factories, our workers are forced to wear diapers, because they are not allowed to have a break for toilet during working hours. It was a big scandal few years ago...and nothing happened.  Shocked

    You have to understand that my country is occupied by the West since the year of 2000. Some English reporters found out that in the last 20 years foreign bankers drained around 50 billion $ out of Serbia. Can't find those articles right now...but the fact is we don't have domestic banks any more, EU "doesn't allow" and our stupid elite are listening almost everything Brussels says. Some things they didn't do only because they were afraid they will end up in people's rage. No

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:10 am


    Where do you get this horseshit? Five paragraphs of crap

    Diapers? That's Amazon, it's not even original horseshit

    Soros crew has been trying to scrape by into parlament with this Facebook bullshit for years now, nobody is buying it

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    Post  TMA1 Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:32 am

    Why are so many fleeing to european nations PD? Doesnt seem the EU has benefitted the regular person so much.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:43 am

    Post TMA1 Today at 8:32 am
    Why are so many fleeing to european nations PD? Doesnt seem the EU has benefitted the regular person so much.


    Because the grass is always greener at neighbour's lawn my friend.
    I have never been to Serbia sadly but visited several different countries of the region.
    They all live more or less the same level of living, maybe Slovenia is slightly better.
    But they used to be the most developed region of Yugoslavia, so that is nothing strange.
    People are leaving their own countries in most cases believing in propaganda making others great.
    It is not the case anymore.
    A friend of mine lived&worked in the Netherlands. His wife is pregnant, so they have started to check the social benefits they can get there - being not a refugee or citizens.
    The end result was, that they have packed the cases, and repatriated to the Polish-Belarussian border, because the social benefits are the same. The level of medical care is much better. Hospitals in the Netherlands are nice. Modern buildings with big windows and clean sheets. Only lacking the equipment and personnel Embarassed Laughing Twisted Evil
    Holland is described as a European paradise.
    Maybe.
    If you are a Negro from Mali.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:45 pm

    TMA1 wrote:Why are so many fleeing to european nations PD? Doesnt seem the EU has benefitted the regular person so much.

    More money, same as everyone else

    It doesn't mean that people wear diapers to work


    Also that tax crap was done one time 20 years ago to get our shitty ass car factory taken over by Fiat so that new government could look good, when subsequent government cut them off Fiat tried to bail which Soros crew tried to use as one of excuses​ for attempt at color revolution


    They tried again with COVID, first they were rioting because government wasn't getting vaccines fast enough and was letting them die of COVID and later they tried rioting because government was implanting tracking chips in them via vaccines and secretly building 5G network


    Our "nationalist" opposition regularly attends protests organized by Soros and are wholly funded by them, they will sing any tune that boss tells them to sing

    None of these assholes ever had a job or served in the army but all are super hard core militaristic and all are driving latest German SUVs

    Who is paying for this? Reminds you of anything?

    Posers and pussies all of them​




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    Post  littlerabbit Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:58 pm

    @ Papa Dragon

    Have you ever heard about South Korean "Jura" factory in Leskovac and workers complained about diapers?

    Have you ever heard about some Italian and other factories which stayed in Serbia only for few years, just enough time for them to pick government's bonuses and use that tax free time to make a quick profit? After that, they usually close the gates and move on. What about Fiat factory in Kragujevac and horrific deal our government have made? Do you think it is a healthy economy?

    What about Brussels agreement? What we got from that? Maybe you think it was 5:0 win for us?

    What about stupid decisions and agreements all our governments was signing from the year 2000 till now?

    I don't know, you tell me.

    Btw, I'm not the opposition, I don't give a **** about our politicians in general.

    Have you heard about the letter minister Lavrov recently sent to our minister Dacic?

    What about the bill about the use of Serbian language and letter (ciryllic), we still don't have it in our own country?!

    Who is printing our school books and where? Why our government put all our cadaster data on Croatian server...and our government wants to burn all the paper documents related to cadaster in Serbia? Is that normal for an independent, neutral country?

    I'm deeply dissatisfied with our government's pussyfooting policies and with incompetent morons they put on some key positions in our country. Also, deeply dissatisfied with internal politics, including idiotic opposition parties, with the state of our military etc...

    Is all of this a crap for you?

    I have my opinion, you have yours.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:11 pm


    Switch on your brain and think: did you ever see a photo of those workers in diapers?

    It's a simplest thing in world to both prove and to fake

    So where is it?

    Just one photo, pants off, diapers out and smile for the camera

    "Trust me, bro" isn't evidence and any moron can post comment on Facebook



    When someone tries to bullshit me I at least expect them to put some effort into it otherwise they are just insulting my intelligence

    Just because some illiterate old hag may fall for this shit doesn't mean effort went into it


    You don't like situation with the military? Same politicians who are complaining about it in media are the ones who brought military in that situation in the first place back when they were in power but a lot of people are too stupid to check basic stuff and have memory of a gold fish




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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:26 pm

    Ohoho, Serbian civil war potential is growing Laughing

    Take a beer on me folks and chill santa

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    Post  littlerabbit Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:38 pm


    @ Papa Dragon

    Actually, I saw a video with our workers, kneeling and bending in front of South Korean management...it was viral on the net, don't know how did you miss that.

    I think I have already said that all our governments from the year of 2000 were horrible in all aspects (not only militarily, but everything) and conducted almost totally opposite to our national interest or neglected it.

    As a matter a fact they all didn't come to power thanks to elections, but thanks to Western permission.

    I was a participant on few elections way before 2012 and saw with my own eyes how votes were stolen and nobody cared a bit. They were all playing their parts, like in the theater.




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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:21 pm


    Post the video here, I'll give it a watch

    Also, that's still no diapers

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