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    Serbia’s relations with EU and NATO

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:40 pm

    victor1985 wrote:All neightbours of serbia are nato. If all yell every day "you must join us" what you believe will happen?

    Dude, we are stubborn beyond belief, they can yell till they drop we aren't buyin'... lol1 Razz
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    Post  George1 Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:48 pm

    MOSCOW, February 18. /TASS/. Ratification of a logistical support agreement between Serbia and NATO is an attempt of the alliance to incorporate a maximum number of countries into the orbit of its influence, Russia’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said on Thursday.

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    Post  SturmGuard Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:50 pm

    Sure you are. That is why you have voted the way you have for the past 16 years.

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=02&dd=19&nav_id=97116

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=02&dd=19&nav_id=97101

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=02&dd=16&nav_id=97059

    http://inserbia.info/today/2016/01/former-us-ambassador-there-is-no-real-alternative-to-vucic/

    http://www.tanjug.rs/full-view_en.aspx?izb=225859

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=11&dd=13&nav_id=96042

    https://app.box.com/s/bdd9c4009fe835a684a7

    https://app.box.com/s/53ba634af8930c85b189



    I am going to be perfectly honest, whenever I feel bad about my country and the biomass waste that inhabits it, all I need to do is look over the border and observe BiH and Serbia. They  literally vote for proven criminals, tycoons and traitors. The proud tradition of selling out the country and compatrios for personal material gain, going back to Habsburg and especially Yugocommunist times, lives on and is going strong.
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    Post  Monarchist Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:55 pm

    Vucic and Nikolic are prostitutes, whores and nothing else. But the people that vote for them are retarded sheeps that don't deserve nothing better.
    But what did Russia do to prevent any of this? Absolutely nothing, nor in Montenegro a big laughing joke. The most pro-russian country and population in the world, and what has Russia done?
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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:09 am

    What exactly is Russia supposed to do exactly?

    Maybe it might suit Russia to have some pro Russian countries in NATO and the EU...

    Of course maybe it is none of Russias business who joins what... if a countries own leaders wont listen to its people why would they listen to Russia?
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    Post  Guest Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:56 pm

    This is how it goes. Serbs in general are aganist NATO and most of them does not rly have particulary high opinion of US, HOWEVER. When you live in country where finding half decent job is basically impossible unless you are in some major political party or non government organization you are required to change your opinion at least in public to suit their needs.

    So its like this, guys from party come to your house, they say how they will find a job for your son if you vote for them, if you sign whatever petitions they make, if you go to their promo gatherings etc. Basically you have to dance following the music they play or you get shit. Young ppl love getting job in non-goverment organisations, and we know who mainly funds them, so its same story there. Basically they are abusing low income, unemployment and low living standards in general.

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    Post  Backman Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:31 pm

    Is there a more current thread for Serbia Kosovo/nato tensions ? Anyway i think this is telling about where this situation is going. They didn't even do this with Russia

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:57 pm

    Backman wrote:Is there a more current thread for Serbia Kosovo/nato tensions ? Anyway i think this is telling about where this situation is going. They didn't even do this with Russia


    There are NATO Kosovo tensions because current Kosovo PM is stepping out of line but that's their problem


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    Post  Broski Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:04 pm

    Serbia's relations with the EU & NATO is akin to a battered wife that suffers from Stockholm syndrome, but in all fairness there's not much else they can do. After the breakup of Yugoslavia, they are landlocked and boxed in by NATO statelets.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:42 pm

    I do have sympathy for Serbia. They got shat on and have no other choice than to play ball with NATO amd EU.

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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:49 pm

    Tensions will come back. Russia will take Ukraine and Moldova.

    Then they will use their soft power and the fact that EU isn't attractive anymore compared to China to bring Bulgaria on their side which will create a land route to Serbia.

    Bad scenario is that extremists take control of the countries around there which could lead to wars.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:12 am

    I do have sympathy for Serbia. They got shat on and have no other choice than to play ball with NATO amd EU.

    I side with Serbia of course, but do they have to play ball with HATO and EU?

    Some EU states have shown they don't have to play ball with EU... they should know their neighbours rather well by now and using that to their advantage... divide and stir... at the very least it would make filling in the time more fun.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:37 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I do have sympathy for Serbia. They got shat on and have no other choice than to play ball with NATO amd EU.

    I side with Serbia of course, but do they have to play ball with HATO and EU?

    Some EU states have shown they don't have to play ball with EU... they should know their neighbours rather well by now and using that to their advantage... divide and stir... at the very least it would make filling in the time more fun.

    Yes we do have to play ball with EU



    If their royal majesties Russians want to play around here they better get their asses here in person

    That whole long distance relationship cost us an arm and a leg already

    And other EU states weren't bombed to shit for 3 months straight white entire planet cheered so it's a completely different situation



    Russians should be extremely grateful that we didn't ditch them already because trust me, it would be easiest thing in the world

    Russians can find someone else to divide and stir this time, we are sitting this one out, Spanish style






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    Post  TMA1 Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:01 am

    Nah there is no neutrality with the snake-like neocons and neolibs. Your neutrality means licking their boots and you know it. You may be emotional at times but you are not dumb.

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    Post  Werewolf Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:50 am

    Like TMA1 said, there is no sitting it out. The West has huge pay rolls for politicians and pseudo-oppossitions to create conditions in countries that might be interesting to them. Serbia is right in the middle and you damn well know, that you have a 5th column in Serbia along with enough of your own baltic trouble makers. If you try to sit it out you will probably lose more than you already have, at least in the long run.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:33 am

    Werewolf wrote:Like TMA1 said, there is no sitting it out.....
    .....If you try to sit it out you will probably lose more than you already have, at least in the long run.

    Yes there is sitting it out and that's the smartest thing we can do

    And we didn't just lose something, we lost nearly everything without even a theoretical possiblity of getting more than 5% of it back, ever

    All because we listened to Russia's attaboys while they were sucking cocks for pack of bubblegum and Metallica CD

    So if Russia wants us to play again they better start getting their own ass back in the game for real and not just start winning but dominating with massive ape bodycount under their belt

    Message is important

    And as always, we expect them to show up in person first and foremost this time instead of watching them being manhandled by Bulgarians and Romanians, no more smiles and handwaves from across the landmass, those days are over






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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jan 22, 2023 7:54 pm

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/serbia-asks-russia-end-recruitment-its-people-ukraine-war-2023-01-17/
    Serbia asks Russia to end recruitment of its people for Ukraine war

    https://news.yahoo.com/serbian-president-vucic-denounces-russian-183100868.html
    Serbian President Vucic denounces Russian occupation of Crimea and Donbas

    Vucic has wholeheartedly bent the knee to the US and NATO, and has failed to stand up to them. He didn't even try.

    And I know it seems as if Serbia has dodged the proverbial bullet here, but this is not so. Were it, then I would have no hesitation in supporting Vucic's strategy until such time as Serbia can be reached

    Because Washington and Brussels are no fools, and the next thing they will ask for is not more rhetoric and platitudes, but for Serbia to 'prove its loyalty'

    First by introducing sanctions on Russia
    Then by supplying weapons to the Ukraine
    And then perhaps by training Ukrainians with your own instructors, secretly somewhere in Serbia

    And if Vucic has started accepting Western demands towards Serbia's diplomacy already, then he will accept economic and military demands in due course too

    It will be at that stage that he will become a Tiso or Petain-like leader.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:31 pm

    Serbia asks Russia to end recruitment of its people for Ukraine war

    A Reuters article to draw attention to the fact that Serbs are joining the Russians to fight the nazis... of course no mention about the various Italian and French and German and American and other nationalities who are also fighting the nazis...

    Serbia asking such a thing will be a token request for show... I doubt they would be upset if it continued and just wasn't so open... who doesn't hate nazis?


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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:02 pm

    Na, Vucic is either a Chamberlain or a Quisling

    Either he is really so naive to believe that he can appease away the neo-con's renewed attention to Serbia after it had earlier already made the fatal error of sympathy towards Russia.. drawing the shark to your waters by splashing about too much and then hoping you can trick it away somehow

    Or more likely, he is an experienced enough operator, and his brown-nosing here is just the start of a new trend that he will now increasingly be tasked to commit to.

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:21 pm

    Serbia is right now in one or the worst positions possible. On top of the nations surrounding them and a superpower laying on top of them they also have an islamic ethnic group that squats on their lands with the help of the west.

    Vucic is a quisling, but right now the Serbia, the leadership and their people, are placed into a dilemma where they heroically stand fast, or they cave to western coercion. The worst of it is that the west wont just be happy with this, they will continue supporting not-so-quietly the muslim squatters harassing the Serbian people. They will support their religion and ideology and their abuse of Serbia while forcing Serbians to eat ze bugz and own nothing and be happy. Their kids will worship the state and wave rainbow flags and they will be made to like it.

    tl_dr Serbs are in a position where they either heroically and horrifically suffer, or they give themselves up and lose their independence and identity. And even in the latter case I still see conflict in their future where the west will purge Serbia of any remaining resistance.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:12 am

    The bully is not as all-mighty as he wants others to believe

    And they are afraid of instability in the Balkans. Very much so. Which makes their threats against Serbia empty. Yeah they can cause trouble in Kosovo. But they won't risk bombing Serbia again in a time like this. More countries are sympathetic to Serbia than just Russia. But they need to make it clear that their sovereignty and dignity is non-negotiable.


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    Post  littlerabbit Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:31 am

    We will know more today, Vucic is making an offer to resign.

    In my opinion, if he's threatening to resign only from the head of his political party, then I believe he's playing this game along with collective West.

    But, if he wants to resign as a head of the state and dissolve the government and national assembly, then he's trying to get some more time.

    For new elections and new government will be spent more than 6 months, so...  unshaven


    Frankly, I don't have much confidence in Vucic or our government...or our politicians in general.   Suspect
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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:11 pm

    Reality is that german companies are investing in Germany not russians.

    They can't oppose them. And it's not like their opinion on the ukro war matters anyway.
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    Post  littlerabbit Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:04 pm

    True, but...all those German and other foreign companies are getting a 10.000 euro bonus from our government, for every man/woman they employ, plus free land, and some other benefits. We are probably spending on foreign companies up to a billion euros, every year.  Mad

    So, tell me...who is fucked up in this case?!  censored

    Right now, we are just another colony, from which Western banks drain 5 billion euros per year.  No

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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:21 pm

    Can you provide some proofs about that ?

    If they pay 10k€ for every employee they would be bankrupt. Foreign companies bring jobs there. Of course west take advantage in that process but no one obliges you to work there or welcome them.

    Serbia is already facing a harsh reality of its population fleeing to germany massively and is desperatly trying to stop that. Plenty of villages are getting empty.

    The ties with Russia are nothing compare to their ties with west. So don't expect them to support Russia in a war that has no connexion to them and loose all the western investements.

    And Russia can't help Serbia in any form since they are surrounded by nato. Maybe if they take Ukraine and Moldova, Romania and Hungary, will allow some land connexions with more militaty and economical help.

    But till then Serbia is irrevelent for Russia and vice versa.

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